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Looking to buy a new computer here like a week and here are my questions. I'm thinking 939 because i wont upgrade after this computer for while besides more ram/video card. What CPU do you sugjest, 300 dollar limit give or take. Dual core opty or dual manchester/Toledo. I know the pro's and cons of why i should go am2 blah blah but right now it isn't worrht it to me seeing how i have no will to go quad core or buy the new cpu's they are comming out with. i have a 3200xp right now anything is a upgrade <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /> well if you can put up an argument why to go am2 i'd like to hear and and i may do it.........maybe and last thing<br />
I'M NOT BUYING A CONROE! I DON'T WANT A CONROE I'M AN AMD "fanboy"
 

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Go AM2... if you don't plan to upgrade anytime soon
 

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why? with am2 thats just a stepping stone to " upgrade " to quad core and new am2 arciteture
 

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I'd get the dual core opteron. Right now, the Opteron 165 is selling for $159 on Newegg (out of stock though).<br />
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What is the total budget for the whole new rig, and do you need all parts?
 

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Well I just got an X2 4200 Toledo from newegg. Even CPU-Z says its a Toledo. And I am extremely happy with it. I don't know if the stepping I got is a common one or not, but its definitly a very good one. lol. <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /> So I would reccomend an X2 4200. But any of the X2 dual cores are gonna perform pretty well.
 

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i'm looking at 750-800 dollars, i need cpu/mobo/ram/case/psu/hdd * i have a 6600gt i am going to use for a little bit so i can build up the rest of the computer* i don't need optical drives/moniter<br />
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EDIT: well my sig was just something i kinda though ot but i'm wondeirng on am2 or s939 and what kind of cpu and ram
 

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Go conroe, its much faster!<br />
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Kidding.<br />
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I r amd fanboy too!!<br />
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Anyway, I would suggest you get an AM2 for now, just because its the newer socket.(Better support, better proccessors will come out, etc.)
 

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i was about to have a typing fit when i saw that conroe sugjestion hmm am2, i'm about as familar with am2 and ddr2 memory as i am with the inner workings of woman.........any help guys/girls?
 

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Hey if you dont game or multitask the 3800V/3700SD &150 Opties are going for cheap now and I'm loving it...
 

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Here is an AM2 rig. For that budget, you shuold get something that's upgradable. K8L, and even AM3 CPUs will fit in socket AM2 motherboards.<ul><li>MoBo: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813131013" target="_blank">ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI</a> $140.99</li>
<li>CPU: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819103735" target="_blank">AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Windsor 2.0GHz Socket AM2</a> $169.00</li>
<li>RAM: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820145015" target="_blank">CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 675 (PC2 5400)</a> $260.00</li>
<li>HDD: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822136062" target="_blank">Western Digital Caviar RE WD1600YS 160GB, 16MB Cache</a> $64.99</li>
<li>Case: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811119068" target="_blank">Cooler Master Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UW Black Aluminum Bezel, SECC ATX Mid Tower</a> $44.99</li>
<li>PSU: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817103931" target="_blank">Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-550 ATX12V 550W</a> $89.99</li>
</ul>Total: $769.96
 

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Its just new architecture like the jump from Athlon XP to A64...less pain gettin the OCs up quicker though...IMO<br />
I've seen people struggling to OC AM2 though...<br />
I see that there is a serious voltage difference in CPU/RAM as most of us are used to the 1.5-1.6v/2.7-3.1v range but it's just math,trial and error...<br />
The problem is this...when you think you've hit the wall there are too many configs to get you higher than that which you thought.<br />
Most of my rigs are "outdated" (and those individuals say so because they could not achieve the feat)...because I want to keep trying to find the RIGHT OC...
 

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Thanks for the pick out chozart but i wont ever SLi........ever and i had a psu picked out <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817104934" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817104934</a> and i wanted the thermaltake soprano, but thanks though. Should i stick with that mobo even though i know i'll never sli ever ?
 

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So...you've decided on getting an am2 board? I dunno about you, but the reasons seems great to me. <br />
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And that board looks good to me, sooooo...start buying now. NOW.
 

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GIf you don't need SLI, socket 939 is looking interesting though. I know you're not an often upgrading guy, but it's up to you if you want proven reliability/overclockability, or newer tech that's better upgradable. Probn has a very good point. This set up is good for overclocking, and with that Opty 165 you might hit 3.0GHz, if you get a good stepping.<br />
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The socket 939 suggestion:<br />
<ul><li>MoBo: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813136152" target="_blank">DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939</a> $104.99</li>
<li>CPU: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819103588" target="_blank">AMD Opteron 165 Denmark 1.8GHz Socket 939 Dual Core</a> $159.99</li>
<li>RAM: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820220084" target="_blank">Patriot 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR 500 (PC 4000)</a> $239.99</li>
<li>HDD: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822136062" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16822136062</a> $64.99</li>
<li>Case: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811133146" target="_blank">Thermaltake Soprano VB1000SWS Silver Chassis</a> $79.00</li>
<li>PSU: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817103931" target="_blank">Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-550 ATX12V 550W</a> $89.99</li>
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Total: $738.95<br />
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The FSP is nice, but seems a little weak for my taste
 
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If I was to build an AM2 rig it would start with the legendary <a href="http://us.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_details_r_us.jsp?PRODUCT_ID=4716&CATEGORY_TYPE=LP&SITE=US" target="_blank">lanparty board</a> and even a very cheap 3000+ (or some dual core) which seem to be going very quickly indeed with the correct mobo to help it along. Some descent 2 gig kit would be a bonus of course.<br />
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There is many options to think about. Its buying DDR\\DDR2 RAM is the biggest question. What can you buy and afford to suit the rest of the build. RAM pricing seems to be a little crazy of late and makes decisions a little harder. You can build a very capable 939 rig for minimal cost over here in OZ, especially now the Opteron prices have dropped dramatically. I suppose the rule of thumb is get the CPU that is the cheapest and is very capable of great overclocks. Isn't this what we are all about<img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />
 

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Agreed. And I lean toward the 939 rig I picked myself also <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /><br />
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Esp. the motherboard saves a lot of money. It's too bad you need a full fledged SLI motherboard for AM2 at the moment to get good overclocks, while socket 939 has a much better selection<br />
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Regarding PSU, the FSP you picked it quite light on the 12V rails. I would even pick this one over the one you selected:<br />
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817104954" target="_blank">FSP Group (Fortron Source) AX450-PN, 12cm FAN, version 2.0, 2 SATA, PCI Express, 450W</a> $48.99<br />
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But the Antec Truepower II is in my opinion the minimum pick.
 

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ddr500? i'm confused
 

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Why confused? DDR 500 is the best pick with socket 939 is you want to overclock.<br />
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It allows you to increase your HTT to 250MHz with RAM on 1:1. At that point, RAM just hits stock speeds.
 
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