[Offender_Mullet]

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Originally Posted by EddieJames

Does this one better handle 2400Mhz memory?? Sorry, 16 pages i havent got the time to read it all.

I built my uncle a machine using the A10 7850K with 2400Mhz memory and while it would post/load windows/run games fine, it would crash cores in prime95, so i had to bump it to 2133Mhz.

It depends what motherboard you have. Try entering the ram timings & voltage manually if you're having issues.

 

[EddieJames]

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Originally Posted by Himo5

I've added an index to Post 1.

The way Kaveri and Kaveri-Refresh handle Ram is about the same, but is more dependent on which motherboard is being used and how the Ram is being overclocked.

As far as the 'flagship' issue is concerned, the 7850K could hardly remain as such when the 7870K is more powerful, has updated microcode and is probably going to play a prominent part in the forthcoming introduction of DirectX 12.

Yea, i suppose compared to the A10 7850k its now the new flagship..
just seems alil late in the game to be news worthy..

im waiting to see AMD's next step into ddr4 and new chipsets.. i think they're coming for 2016

And i did my build with a gigabyte F2A88X-UP4 board, mostly i chose the board cause it looked good

its rated for 2400mhz memory too..
I did not manually try to set timings, though im sure if i added +1 to the major timings it might've become stable.. but i benchmarked some stuff and didnt see much difference between the 2133 and 2400

 

[Himo5]

DDR4. Yes, but what step is that going to be? If you could no longer run an APU system without paying DDR4 ram prices then I should say those prices must be years away from what the market would bear.

 

[jsc1973]

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Originally Posted by Himo5

DDR4. Yes, but what step is that going to be? If you could no longer run an APU system without paying DDR4 ram prices then I should say those prices must be years away from what the market would bear.

As soon as DDR4 becomes the mainstream platform, the prices on the stuff will come down to where DDR3 is right now. It always works that way. Early adopters pay more because it's still a niche platform. DDR3 cost more than DDR2 until the point where DDR3 systems became the marketshare leaders.

 

[chrisjames61]

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Originally Posted by EddieJames

mostly i chose the board cause it looked good

A sure recipe for disaster. MSI boards look great but they use very crappy components. Their AM3+ boards just catch fire and explode. Gigabyte just has very primitive BIOS and keep making numerous revisions of all their FM2+ and AM3+ boards because they can't get them right.

 

[EddieJames]

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Originally Posted by chrisjames61

A sure recipe for disaster. MSI boards look great but they use very crappy components. Their AM3+ boards just catch fire and explode. Gigabyte just has very primitive BIOS and keep making numerous revisions of all their FM2+ and AM3+ boards because they can't get them right.

I agree MSI boards suck.. I've used an msi 970 gaming board..the bios was terrible. It couldn't make/save/post with minor changes.
But I've never had problems with a gigabyte board.
My first choice is usually asus, then gigabye or asrock.
I had no problems oc'n the a10 7850k with that gigabyte board, both the gpu and cpu overclocked good. Just the 2400mhz wouldn't take and be stable.

 

[drmrlordx]

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Originally Posted by jsc1973

As soon as DDR4 becomes the mainstream platform, the prices on the stuff will come down to where DDR3 is right now. It always works that way. Early adopters pay more because it's still a niche platform. DDR3 cost more than DDR2 until the point where DDR3 systems became the marketshare leaders.

The thing that kind of worries me about DDR4 is UniDIMM format. LGA1151 allegedly requires it for all DIMMS, while LGA2011 obviously does not require it. There's going to be two separate DIMM markets for DDR4. The ICs will be the same but the underlying PCBs won't.

If future AMD desktop platform's don't jump on the UniDIMM bandwagon, they'll be stuck in the same market segment as LGA2011 v3 which may remain at a price premium for awhile, just because "HEDT buyers will pay those prices".

 

[drSeehas]

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Originally Posted by jsc1973

... Where AM3+ is concerned, though, no reason to buy anything but the 970A-UD3P unless you are going Crossfire. ...

What about ECC memory?
-> ASUS M5A97 EVO R2.0

 

[jsc1973]

Why on earth would you want to use ECC memory in a consumer platform? If you are doing something that needs ECC, you should be running Opterons.

I guess if you insist on doing it anyway, that might be a better choice, but most OCN'ers rigs are used for gaming, and you don't need or want ECC for that.

 

[drSeehas]

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Originally Posted by jsc1973

Why on earth would you want to use ECC memory in a consumer platform? If you are doing something that needs ECC, you should be running Opterons.

I guess if you insist on doing it anyway, that might be a better choice, ...

Don't tell me what I need.
You wrote "no reason", I named at least one reason.

 

[jsc1973]

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Originally Posted by drSeehas

Don't tell me what I need.
You wrote "no reason", I named at least one reason.

Good for you. I could care less personally.

I never said one thing about what you need personally. If someone insists on running ECC on a consumer platform, even though it goes against best practices, fine. I said you don't need ECC for a gaming rig, which is what most OCN members build computers to do. I give advice accordingly.

/out

 

[Himo5]

I still find it hard to believe DDR4 will be anywhere near the budget desktop any time soon. We're halfway thru 2015 with - what? - one chipset so far using DDR4, and we're supposed to expect DDR4 prices for an APU in 12 months to be where DDR3 prices are now - I mean, nice, but. If this is what AMD were going on about not wanting to be thought cheap then, whoa! that's a cliff edge.

 

[EddieJames]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Himo5

I still find it hard to believe DDR4 will be anywhere near the budget desktop any time soon. We're halfway thru 2015 with - what? - one chipset so far using DDR4, and we're supposed to expect DDR4 prices for an APU in 12 months to be where DDR3 prices are now - I mean, nice, but. If this is what AMD were going on about not wanting to be thought cheap then, whoa! that's a cliff edge.

well its pretty much just rumors still i think..

"Excavator is expected to support new instructions such as AVX2, BMI2 and RdRand. [10] Excavator is also expected to come with DDR3 and DDR4 memory controllers, currently not known if on the same die or mutually exclusive.[11] Excavator will be designed using High Density (aka "Thin") Libraries normally used for GPUs to reduce electric energy consumption and die size, delivering a 30 percent increase in efficient energy use. [12]"

maybe you'll see boards with both ddr3 and ddr4 slots like you saw with ddr2 and ddr3 a few years ago..
and i think once amd gets into ddr4, prices will come down.. right now ddr4 is a niche market, and the x99 platform is strictly "enthusiasts" with alot of money. LOL

Edit: I just looked at ddr4 prices and they've dropped a lot. You can get a 16gb kit for $150.That's the same price point ddr3 was at about a year ago.
Ram is like a stock market though it seems, now's the best time to buy ddr3.. once mainstream transitions into ddr4, ddr3 prices should rise again.

Me personally, probably won't build a new pc for awhile. Unless its for someone else.

Id love to see an apu with gpu performance similar to an r9 270.
I don't see why it won't happen soon..with a 220watt socket and aoi cooler.
But I guess it depends on efficiency of the new 300 series gpu coming from amd.

 

[chrisjames61]

Quote:

Originally Posted by drSeehas

What about ECC memory?
-> ASUS M5A97 EVO R2.0

What about it? I can tell you. It's slow.

 

[The Stilt]

DDR4 support is only available on Carrizo server parts.
2400MHz over 2133MHz surely justifies the higher cost of DDR4...
In theory DDR4 is more power efficient but there are Samsung 20nm DDR3 modules too which are nearly as power efficient.

 

[drSeehas]

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisjames61

Quote:

Originally Posted by drSeehas

What about ECC memory? ...

... It's slow.

ECC memory is not slower than non-ECC memory of the same speed and type.

 

[jsc1973]

Registered ECC memory, used in enterprise-class systems, is slow because of the added register/buffer between the memory controller and the RAM chips. Unregistered ECC memory has little or no performance penalty compared to standard RAM. It just costs more and is rarely needed in ordinary consumer systems. Applications where avoidance of any single-bit errors is critical should be running workstation-class systems with Xeons or Opterons to begin with.

 

[drSeehas]

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsc1973

Registered ECC memory, used in enterprise-class systems, is slow because of the added register/buffer between the memory controller and the RAM chips.

That's why I wrote "of the same ... type".
Quote:

Unregistered ECC memory has little or no performance penalty compared to standard RAM.

That's what I wrote.
The ASUS M5A97 EVO R2.0 can use unbuffered ECC memory. "Your" 970A-UD3P (as any other mainboard) can use it too, but not use the ECC benefit.
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... Applications where avoidance of any single-bit errors is critical should be running workstation-class systems with Xeons or Opterons to begin with.

Again: Don't tell me what I should use or not.

As the APUs don't support ECC, this is off topic in this thread anyway and for me it is EOD.

 

[jsc1973]

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Originally Posted by drSeehas

Again: Don't tell me what I should use or not.

I don't believe I addressed you in any way, shape or form, pal. If you want to run enterprise-class RAM on consumer-class motherboards, have at it. Try running Titan X in quad-SLI on AM3 with a Sempron 130 while you're at it. I don't care.

I was responding to the post about ECC RAM being slow, which wasn't by you. ECC is only slow if it's buffered. It used to be that pretty much all ECC was buffered, so ECC still gets associated with being slow. Unbuffered ECC isn't slow, but it costs about twice as much as standard RAM.

 

[drmrlordx]

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Originally Posted by LordOfTots

what bad have you heard? The MSI is better reviewed from what I've seen, and doesn't have ugly yellow and gold (yes I'm picky)

Sorry, I never responded to your inquiry.

The MSI FM2+ boards seem to be prone to VRM overheating and associated throttling. The Kaveri refresh review (7870k) on AT used the MSI A88x-G45 Gaming and it had some throttling issues thanks to the goofy stock UEFI settings.