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Amd Phenom II x6 1050T vs ??? possible upgrade

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Aahzap
Hi,

I'm interested in upgrading my PC, I just want to know if it is worth buying an FX 8350?

My pc is currently

CPU - AMD Phenom II X6 1050T - running turbo boost or something up n down to 3.2ghz
MB - Asus M4A89td - Pro/USB
RAM - PQI 4 x 2gig (8gig) @ 1333MHZ
GPU - Sapphire 7870 xt

I play games, look at many websites at a time 20 plus windows can be running plus steam, media monkey etc etc.

pretty happy with my current pc just wanna know if 4 ghz would be noticeable.

Should i just get a new Mother board as well? or better ram?

haven't really set a budget but was thinking maybe 250, so i could get an ssd or something?

Thanks in advance
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Just a quick on, as someone who has had that motherboard - is there a bios for Piledriver CPU's? I'm sure when I looked I couldn't find one. Just check that out first. It's a good board and will overclock well if you have decent temps. 4ghz should be easy enough, I would even say 4.2 if you wanted to push it again (which should be doable) I had great overclocking success with that board using Phenom II chips. If the chip you have can overclock with no hitches you should be able to find a stable config for 4-4.3ghz.

Personally I wouldn't upgrade now. I would wait until another AMD platform comes out, prices are already dropping with the last high end AM3+ chip supposedly released. Overclock the nuts of the chip you have and get you performance boost for free. Invest the money in a h100i before a 8350. Thats my thoughts anyway.

Good luck with the decision. The 8350's are wonderful chips so I can understand the temptation.
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dixson01974
There is a M4A89TD PRO/USB3 BIOS 3027 or 3029 should do the trick of running the FX-8530. So far all the Asus 890 chipset will run the FX chips.
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fabiovtec
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dixson01974
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I have run FX-6100/8150/6300/8320 in a Asus 890FX mobo with Beta Bios 3029.
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Aahzap
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Just a quick on, as someone who has had that motherboard - is there a bios for Piledriver CPU's? I'm sure when I looked I couldn't find one. Just check that out first. It's a good board and will overclock well if you have decent temps. 4ghz should be easy enough, I would even say 4.2 if you wanted to push it again (which should be doable) I had great overclocking success with that board using Phenom II chips. If the chip you have can overclock with no hitches you should be able to find a stable config for 4-4.3ghz.

Personally I wouldn't upgrade now. I would wait until another AMD platform comes out, prices are already dropping with the last high end AM3+ chip supposedly released. Overclock the nuts of the chip you have and get you performance boost for free. Invest the money in a h100i before a 8350. Thats my thoughts anyway.

Good luck with the decision. The 8350's are wonderful chips so I can understand the temptation.
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Hey mate, I havent been able to get stable over clocks past 3.8, I think the ram is letting me down. I posted in the amd ram section asking about this.

I just bought an antec h20 920. Wont fit the 100i in my case. But once i set that baby up ill post some results.
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Try and overclock the chip using just 2 sticks of ram if you currently have 4 sticks in use - I have come across similar problems. I managed to get a good enough config to have a stable overclock at 4ghz. I never owned a thuban chip though.

Have a good dig through the forums to view other peoples successes with the thuban chip and what settings they had roughly in their bios (theres tons of screens to be had and advice). Sometimes easy tweaking can make or break a stable OC as you know.

A stable OC at 3.8ghz is still pretty good for those hex-cores mind.
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ncrane83
Your RAM is a huge bottleneck right now. I noticed a difference when I went from 1333 RAM to 2133. Also the upgrade to SSD will make another huge difference.
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In addition to increasing Ram speed I'd suggest an increase to 2 x 8 gb sticks and get an SSD, preferably a 256gb but 128gb is acceptable or at the minimum a 64gb for OS and a few programs this will be the best upgrade you will ever do
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In addition to increasing Ram speed I'd suggest an increase to 2 x 8 gb sticks and get an SSD, preferably a 256gb but 128gb is acceptable or at the minimum a 64gb for OS and a few programs this will be the best upgrade you will ever do
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I also agree with diggiddi about the ssd as well. However though I wouldnt recommend anything smaller then a 128gb. You will run out of space really fast even with that. I speak from experience as when I wasnt using my secondary I was constantly running out of space at 128.
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I also agree with diggiddi about the ssd as well. However though I wouldnt recommend anything smaller then a 128gb. You will run out of space really fast even with that. I speak from experience as when I wasnt using my secondary I was constantly running out of space at 128.
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I asked Asus, which ram to use, they sent me a link to the qualified ram vendors list. however suggested 4 x 4 over 2 x 8. I replayed asking what will my mb support and what will my CPU support. no responses yet.

I bought the SSD (Samsung 840 256gig) was 'on sale' for $189 Australian.

I looked up the SSD guide. thanks sean.

returned overclock to standard. unplugged other hdd. set ide to ahci. installed win 7 ultimate

so I proceeded to install updates drivers etc on SSD. I then plugged in my HDDs. I went to overclock again. set from 200 to 250, turbo on. cool n quiet off. cores unlocked.

but I just get bod after windows load screen. so I set HDD back to ide. any tips on this? I haven't set to raid yet.
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Originally Posted by Aahzap View Post

I asked Asus, which ram to use, they sent me a link to the qualified ram vendors list. however suggested 4 x 4 over 2 x 8. I replayed asking what will my mb support and what will my CPU support. no responses yet.

I bought the SSD (Samsung 840 256gig) was 'on sale' for $189 Australian.

I looked up the SSD guide. thanks sean.

returned overclock to standard. unplugged other hdd. set ide to ahci. installed win 7 ultimate 64bit.

Windows loaded very slowly. said 8gig 2 gig usable.

this happened to me a couple weeks ago when I installed my new gpu. but when I overclocked again. it went back to 8 gig.

to proceeded to install updates drivers etc. plugged in my HDDs and it said 8 gig 4 gig usable. I went to overclock again. set from 200 to 232, overdrive on. cool n quiet off. cores unlocked. ram on auto ram voltage 1.5 same settings before SSD.

but now I just get bod after windows load screen.
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Your mobo takes a max of 16gb Ram thats why they suggest 4x4, Good buy on the SSD I think you should check your ram sticks individually. Install OS with one stick and then verify it and then the other sticks one at a time
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Your mobo takes a max of 16gb Ram thats why they suggest 4x4, Good buy on the SSD I think you should check your ram sticks individually. Install OS with one stick and then verify it and then the other sticks one at a time
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if I where to buy new ram ( wont be for a while as I just got new cooler and SSD.) what would suit my mb and CPU? mb says it can over clock to 2000mhz so would that be 1600mhz just up the voltages? or ref bus
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if I where to buy new ram ( wont be for a while as I just got new cooler and SSD.) what would suit my mb and CPU? mb says it can over clock to 2000mhz so would that be 1600mhz just up the voltages? or ref bus
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Now that will depend on your Processor the Piledrivers can take higher clocked Ram than the Older processors.
I'd say get 2133 mhz or 1866 and if your cpu can't run it at that speed down clock to 1866 or 1600 and tighten timings.
I have a mixed set of Cl 11 2133 and cl 9 1600 but I down clocked to 1333 and tightened timings to cl 7 IIRC
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Now that will depend on your Processor the Piledrivers can take higher clocked Ram than the Older processors.
I'd say get 2133 mhz or 1866 and if your cpu can't run it at that speed down clock to 1866 or 1600 and tighten timings.
I have a mixed set of Cl 11 2133 and cl 9 1600 but I down clocked to 1333 and tightened timings to cl 7 IIRC
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The Mobo has native DDR 3 1866 with a bios update.
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make sure that whatever ram you buy is compatible with your motherboard especially if you plan to oc it. Most of time at stock speeds you wont have any problems with buying whatever ram you decide to get but however though when you over clock any instabilities that you dont notice at stock speeds become absolutely glaringly evident and can cause a lot of problems. I have that issue right now. If I try to run it at 2133 I start having problems cause my ram isnt the most compatible with this board. dont mix ram on channels either. that can cause problems as well. So make sure you buy it in pairs or buy it all at once.
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make sure that whatever ram you buy is compatible with your motherboard especially if you plan to oc it. Most of time at stock speeds you wont have any problems with buying whatever ram you decide to get but however though when you over clock any instabilities that you dont notice at stock speeds become absolutely glaringly evident and can cause a lot of problems. I have that issue right now. If I try to run it at 2133 I start having problems cause my ram isnt the most compatible with this board. dont mix ram on channels either. that can cause problems as well. So make sure you buy it in pairs or buy it all at once.
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well the pqi I bought at the time wasn't on the list if compatible ram. but there is a ram ok button on the mb. it reduces the ram speed to the lowest just to boot into the bios.

I see most 2133mhz is 1600 @1.65v and 1600mhz at 1.5v or something
so if I over volt the pqi I may get 1600mhz or will it just kill it? or run unstable? how do you know what timings to adjust?
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Set lower cpu multiplier and check if the ram is holding you back.If it's stable then it's the cpu. If not then set tRFC to 300ns and see the magic
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