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<b>Chicago (IL) - AMD remains very secretive about its two-processor 4x4 platform, which aims to decrease the performance gap to Intel's dual-core and upcoming quad-core processors on the very high-end of the enthusiast PC segment. A new roadmap provides more insight in the firm's CPU plans for the next year or so - and indicates that AMD is collecting enough CPU supply to launch 4x4 on a broad basis.</b><br />
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There have been very few product launches by processor manufacturers lately that have been covered in as much smoke as AMD's highly anticipated 4x4 platform. System builders as well software makers who typically talk very open about such upcoming products deny to share their expectations from the AMD 2-CPU approach. There also has been some speculation recently that AMD may not be able to keep its promise and send enough 4x4 platforms into the channel to be part of the holiday frenzy this year.<br />
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A new roadmap obtained by TG Daily, however indicates quite the contrary and the suggests that AMD may be collecting enough supply of new and high-end processors to launch 4x4 almost as a mainstream product and become more available than Intel's quad-core processors QX6700.<br />
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4x4 is apparently well on track to be launched in November with FX processors that are based on the new 1207 socket and the 90 nm Windsor FX core. Samples already have been shipped and appear to be in mass-production at this time. The lineup consists of the FX-70 (2.6 GHz), FX-72 (2.8 GHz) and FX-74 (3.0 GHz). In the second quarter of 2007, AMD will add the FX-76, which will be the last 90 nm high-end desktop processor with a clock speed of 3.2 GHz.<br />
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The Windsor FX CPUs will continue to use a 2 MB L2 cache package and will be rated at a thermal design power (TDP) of 125 watts, which - at least theoretically - puts a 4x4 platform at roughly 250 watts, or about twice the maximum power of Intel's Kentsfield (desktop) and Clovertown (workstation/server) quad-core processors. The currently shipping FX-62 and FX-60 will not support 4x4 and will be phased out by the end of this year.<br />
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The enthusiast segment will get more interesting for AMD once its "native" quad-core processors are available. While it is not expected that the single-die quad-core approach by AMD will not yield any substantial performance gains over a dual-die quad-core approach (Intel), AMD will be able to decrease power consumption to restore headroom for more clock speed. The quad-core chip code-named "Agena" will be segmented in more mainstream "Agena" processors and enthusiast 4x4 capable "Agena FX" chip.<br />
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Agena FX CPUs are scheduled to launch in Q3 of next year, will be produced in 65 nm, run at clock speeds between 2.7 and 2.9 GHz and incorporate 2 MB L2 and 2 MB L3 cache. The power consumption of these processors has not been determined yet, but is likely to remain at 125 watts for a single chip and considerably more 2-processor 8-core platforms. It is unclear whether AMD will keep the socket 1207 alive, as the current roadmap designates the Agena FX socket as "1207+". The regular Agena will be available with identical specifications but may also transition to a different "AM2+" socket.<br />
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<b>89 watt Kuma processors joins AMD's dual-core lineup in 2007</b><br />
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Agena will be positioned on the very high-end of AMD's desktop segment, but dual-core processor will move deeper into the mainstream next year and dominate the firm's processor lineup.<br />
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In the fourth quarter, AMD will launch the Athlon 64 X2 6000+ (3.0 GHz), 5600+ (2.8 GHz, 2 MB L2) and 5400+ (2.8 GHz, 1 MB L2). The new high-end version will consume 125 watts, while the 5600+ and 5400+ will be rated at 89 watts. The currently shipping 5200+ and 5000+ version will transition from 89 watts to 65 watts in the first quarter of next year and a new 35 watt low power variant of the 4200+ (2.2 GHz) will be added in the same time frame. The higher-end models will be available for order on 20 November, while the 5000+, 4800+, 4400+ and 4000+ will follow on December 5.<br />
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AMD will be introducing 65 watt processors beginning late this year. The first processors with 65 nm "Brisbane" core will be the 5000+, 4800+, 4400+ and 4000+ models, which are rated at 65 watt TDP. On the higher end, a 2.8 GHz 5400+ model and a 2.7 GHz 5200+ version will be added in the second quarter of next year. These two processors will decrease the power consumption on the high-end of the mainstream from currently 89 watts to 76 watts.<br />
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The transition to 90 nm will not happen as rapidly as promised by AMD. 90 nm Windsor cores will be in the channel over all of 2007 (ranging from the 6000+ down to the 3800+). The models currently scheduled for a phase out over the coming months include the 89 watt versions of the 4600+, 4200+ and 3800+. 65 watt and 35 watt variants will remain available at least until Q4 2007.<br />
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The same applies to the majority of AMD's single-core Athlon 64 processors. 90 nm 4000+, 3800+ and 3500+ processors will remain available as 62 watt AM2 versions, while the 67 watt socket 939 variants will be dead by the end of the year. The lower end 3000+ and 3200+ AM2 processors will retire in March of 2007. Early in 2007, AMD plans to introduce a 65 nm, 45 watt single-core processor code-named Lima, which will be clocked a 2.4 and 2.2 GHz and complement the current 3800+ and 3500+ versions.<br />
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The entry-level Sempron line will see little change and also receive a 65 nm addition (Sparta core) in the third quarter of next year. The new processors will be rated at a TDP of 35 watts (down from 62 watts today) and arrive as Sempron 3400+, 3500+, 3600+ and 3800+

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But when will the first 65nm AMD's come? I've read at some places "Q4 2006" and november/december 2006.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">But when will the first 65nm AMD's come? I've read at some places "Q4 2006" and november/december 2006.</div>

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The Windsor FX CPUs will continue to use a 2 MB L2 cache package and will be rated at a thermal design power (TDP) of 125 watts, which - at least theoretically - puts a 4x4 platform at roughly 250 watts, or about twice the maximum power of Intel's Kentsfield (desktop) and Clovertown (workstation/server) quad-core processors

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Man, looks like new PSU time for many systems LOL....and how hot is that going to be inside the case?? <br />
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I don't know how solid their info is, but I don't see how they can claim AMD can ship more than twice as many CPUs as Intel considering Intel's size and structure.....
 

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I hope it all pans out like the article says, BUT: I also hope the prices aren't<br />
astronomical either.<br />
My upgrade can wait for an FX-76!<img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />
 

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FX-74 wow
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>Thumper</strong> <a href="showthread.php?s=f0ff622456a527c34b14aeab359ee59d&p=1392478#post1392478"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="http://static.overclock.net//img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">I don't know how solid their info is, but I don't see how they can claim AMD can ship more than twice as many CPUs as Intel considering Intel's size and structure.....</div>
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From what I understood they mean at launch AMD will ship twice as many CPUs, because they have been stockpiling them. After launch, when the biggest demand has gone down AMD will be shipping less than Intel, but still keeping up with their demand.<br><br><br>
Though with the 3Ghz and 125W chips could we see AMD turning into the new Intel?
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>The Bartender Paradox</strong> <a href="showthread.php?s=f0ff622456a527c34b14aeab359ee59d&p=1393136#post1393136"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="http://static.overclock.net//img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">From what I understood they mean at launch AMD will ship twice as many CPUs, because they have been stockpiling them. After launch, when the biggest demand has gone down AMD will be shipping less than Intel, but still keeping up with their demand.<br><br><br>
Though with the 3Ghz and 125W chips could we see AMD turning into the new Intel?</div>
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No joke. It looks like K8 is dead, and they need to move on. They weren't on their toes and they just got completely burnt.<br><br>
I wonder what AMD was doing in Chicago though.
 

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The FX-60 already took 125W if I remember correctly. But 3.2 on 90nm? Dual core? I bet no one saw that coming. AMD obviously does soemthing right to get that kind of speed on 90nm.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">The FX-60 already took 125W if I remember correctly. But 3.2 on 90nm? Dual core? I bet no one saw that coming. AMD obviously does soemthing right to get that kind of speed on 90nm.</div>
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I was expecting it. After a while, a process becomes so well refined that you can manage to get better yeilds of increasingly higher speeds. Of course, the law of diminishing returns kicks in eventually and you have to do a process shrink in order to attain higher clockspeeds.
 

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That is quite impressive that AMD can squeeze such speeds on 90nm but I hope that they're not putting all of their R&D on that. They should be putting those resources on how to improve and refine their 65nm process. I'm not too impressed with the TDP of the 65nm parts. Seems like they haven't gotten to the point where the TDP of the 65nm parts are significantly better than 90nm. I'm sure it'll come with time but time is something they're running short on.<br />
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Also anyone else getting confused with all of the core names? What's the difference between Barcelona, Altair, Antares, and Agena?????
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">That is quite impressive that AMD can squeeze such speeds on 90nm but I hope that they're not putting all of their R&D on that. They should be putting those resources on how to improve and refine their 65nm process. I'm not too impressed with the TDP of the 65nm parts. Seems like they haven't gotten to the point where the TDP of the 65nm parts are significantly better than 90nm. I'm sure it'll come with time but time is something they're running short on.</div>
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Well they are close to the release of 65nm cpu's, and they have already started manufactoring them, so I think a significant breakthough for AMD will have to wait until K8L. But CnQ would really help, its a very nice power management system.
 

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Hey is it just me or is this going to be a hella expensive upgrade? New mobo, new cpus, 2 new PSUs or add another, 4GB DDR2, cooling for this new socket. At least I don't have to upgrade my video card.....Oh wait Vista is coming out! Of course I do. I have a feeling this is going to cost somewhere in the several thousands.
 
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