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I pulled the trigger on the first components of my new build. Going to be a Ryzen third gen system when it comes out. Price is going to be unknown. But I’m not doing anything particularly high end. The first two components are these.

I’ll be purchasing parts every paycheck. It’ll be fun once I pay off my credit cards, haha.

How’d I do?
 

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#5 ·
The PSU you picked is not bad but its not all that great either and for an X570 build you should spend more on the PSU
The Seasonic Focus Plus is a good option that dont cost a ton of money
 
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Corsair Carbide 275R only comes with two fans, to maximize it you'd need to buy 3 more 120mm fans.
move the free front fan to the back-most-top as exhaust, then put the 3 additional 120mm fans as front-intake.
another thing thats optional but worth a buy is a fan controller hub or a controllable splitter, this would allow you to adjust your fan's RPM to fit within your tolerable noise.

as for what kind of fan to buy, good old Cyclops' thread still does wonders for a reference.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/246...ete-comprehensive-array-tests-benchmarks.html
the main thing to look into is the "pull" category, since fans are pulling against the front-airfilters.
 
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Can't see what the RAM is but it's a terrible idea to run 4 x 4GB sticks. 4 sticks will stress the IMC more and it won't clock nearly is good, and 4GB for DDR4 sticks is basically a joke in 2019. Buy a 2 x 8GB kit- it will give you the same amount of RAM (16GB), overclock higher since two sticks stresses the IMC less and allow you to upgrade to 32GB if you ever need to down the road. Samsung B Die will work best and overclock the highest, but it's quite expensive at around $130 - $140 for a 16GB kit. You can find them by looking for 3200mhz CL14 @ 1.35v kits. If you don't want to spend as much but want something decent I would get something like this which is on sale for $65- https://www.newegg.com/team-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820313807?Item=N82E16820313807


$150 for a 256GB SATA SSD? Are you nuts????

https://slickdeals.net/f/13084915-s...rch:Control&src=SiteSearchV2_SearchBarV2Algo1

You can get a Sabrent Rocket- high quality NVME SSD (which all AM4 boards have a slot for) with Phison E12 controller and Toshiba TLC memory, 5 year warranty upon registration. 1TB for $109.19 lol (other smaller sizes are found in the slickdeals thread)

I would spend $10 less on the hard drive and get a faster and arguably better one: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E168221...e&cm_re=2tb_hard_drive-_-22-184-773-_-Product
 
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OCN keeps eating my post but anyway ...

275R isn't a great airflow case , if you bought it already just keep note of it. It's worse than Corsair's prior 270R.

If you're looking at $60-70 cases the cases I'd look at are discounted Fractal Design Meshify C , Phanteks P350X (160mm CPU cooler height be aware), and Phanteks Enthoo Pro M. If the P400A comes out soon that is also a good contender as it is the same chassis as P350X with a fully mesh front panel.

As far as the PSU goes, if you already bought it then it probably isn't worth sending it back. However, the Seasonic Focus and Corsair RMx series are far better and come with 80 Plus gold efficiency , a longer warranty, better ripple characteristics, and fully modular cabling.

RAM: you shouldn't buy 4x4GB sticks for Ryzen because it's dual channel. In addition the daisy chain memory layout on X570 boards is not as conducive to overclocking 4 sticks.

SSD: 840 Pro is ancient, I'd look into the 500GB 970 Evo Plus NVMe drive or some other NvMe drive , even the Intel 660p or WD Black. 500GB/1TB Crucial MX500 or 860 Evo M.2 SATA based SSDs if on a budget. No need to buy a 2TB HDD if you go with one 500GB NvMe and one larger SATA SSD.
 
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OCN keeps eating my post but anyway ...


275R isn't a great airflow case , if you bought it already just keep note of it. It's worse than Corsair's prior 270R.

If you're looking at $60-70 cases the cases I'd look at are discounted Fractal Design Meshify C , Phanteks P350X (160mm CPU cooler height be aware), and Phanteks Enthoo Pro M. If the P400A comes out soon that is also a good contender as it is the same chassis as P350X with a fully mesh front panel.


As far as the PSU goes, if you already bought it then it probably isn't worth sending it back. However, the Seasonic Focus and Corsair RMx series are far better and come with 80 Plus gold efficiency , a longer warranty, better ripple characteristics, and fully modular cabling.



RAM: you shouldn't buy 4x4GB sticks for Ryzen because it's dual channel. In addition the daisy chain memory layout on X570 boards is



SSD: 840 Pro is ancient, I'd look into the 500GB 970 Evo Plus NVMe drive or some other NvMe drive , even the Intel 660p or WD Black. 500GB/1TB Crucial MX500 or 860 Evo M.2 SATA based SSDs if on a budget. No need to buy a 2TB HDD if you go with one 500GB NvMe and one larger SATA SSD.
Already got the case and PSU. Here’s what it’s my cart now.
 

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#18 · (Edited)
2500k was 4 core / 4 thread. With Zen 2 you're probably going to be getting at least a 6 core / 12 thread or 8 core / 16 thread. It is not going to run as cool, especially if you are overclocking. The Scythe Mugen 5 would handle a 6 core with a decent OC. If you want a huge OC on the 6 core or are considering an 8 core I would do the Noctua NH-D15S.

Also the Sabrent Rocket I linked is cheaper ($29.99 vs $37.99), faster (3090/1050 vs 2010/1250), and has a longer warranty (5 years vs 3 years). I know it's not on Newegg, it's on Amazon but it's still the much better choice.

Ninja edit: whatever onboard sound will likely be better than an Asus Xonar sound card. Skip that....

edit again: skip both the Mushkin Helix and the Sabrent Rocket and get this instead: https://www.newegg.com/hp-ex920-256..._-na&cjevent=63667ce4987911e9829900470a240612
 
#19 · (Edited)
Scythe Mugen 5 Rev B or Thermalright ARO-M14G (AMD only) / Macho Rev B (bigger) are good choices at around $45ish , lower than that I would just keep the 212 Evo. For $10-15 more than 212 Evo costs you get at least 5 degree drop in temperatures and a higher quality fan that isn't cheap sleeve bearings. I would lean toward Mugen 5 if you're in the USA since Thermaalright distribution channels in USA are shoddy. What's also great about the Mugen 5 is that it is 155mm height so it fits in just about every modern ATX sized case. The Macho is 162mm height.



If you were buying Ryzen 7 the Wraith Prism is actually pretty decent as it's a 4 heatpipe cooler with a ~ 90-100mm fan but the Spire on Ryen 5 isn't designed with as much power in mind.

https://www.amazon.com/Mugen-Rev-CPU-Cooler-Support/dp/B06ZYB8K77
https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-0004-00075

Macho rev B https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PKJ21LW/

Those will put your 212 to shame, as they have much more fin area and 6 heatpipes.
They've been tested by computerbase on overclocked Ryzen 7 CPUs in the past and performed within degrees of closed loop water and top tier air such as the Noctua dual tower NH-D15.
(see https://www.computerbase.de/2019-05...u-zu-raumtemperatur-ueber-schalldruckpegel-oc , https://www.computerbase.de/forum/threads/scythe-mugen-5-rev-b-die-legende-in-5-generation.1732991/ , https://nl.hardware.info/reviews/77...est-testresultaten---koelingnbij-30-en-40-dbn)

If you are looking at air coolers, prioritize heatpipes and fin area. When looking at reviews keep in mind fan speed.



If you weren't using 275R case with 170mm height limit then I would also look at the $50 Thermalright True Spirit 140 Power which is among the strongest single towers ever made when you account for fan speed.
 
#21 · (Edited)
As has been said I would recommend not going 4 DIMMs for RAM as it loads the IMC more and can cause issues especially in the Daisy Chain layout of all the x570 boards (except for 1 i think by asrock that uses T TOP)

Cooling wise if you want to OC the 6 core or higher you want a better cooler than the 212 Evo. My Cryorig H5 with a Noctua fan has problems keeping a Ryzen 1600 under 75c @ over 1.3v (same on 4770k actually when i ran 1.3-1.35v for 4.6/4.7ghz). Im not an expert on Air but the Noctua D15 or the Cryorig R1 should handle it nicely.

PSU is ok, not great though i wouldve gone with a seasonic gold (or one of the other brands thats still made by them) around that price as they have pretty much the best PSUs in town.

The SSD youre kinda spending extra money needlessly, you can get something like an Intel 545s series SSD (very similar performance to 850/860 Evo) which also has the nice feature of when it detects a fault in the drive it locks to read only mode so you can replace it and not lose everything (Samsung dont do this and will even write bad data near EOL) and for the HDD dont go for anything under 7200RPM IMO because 5400RPM is dog slow. There are some decent 5400RPMs but theyre usually 2.5in

edit: I cant remember if we're allowed to post links but id get this one https://www.newegg.com/intel-545s-series-256gb/p/N82E16820167433?reviews=all or maybe this one https://www.newegg.com/p/0D9-002V-00655
 
#30 ·
Mugen 5 comes with a small resealable tube of paste, the Prolimatech PK-1 I don't think is going to be much of an improvement. I'd save your money there.



If you want a better paste get something like Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut, Gelid GC extreme, or Noctua NT-H2. I suspect Arctic MX-4 will be on par with the Mugen 5 paste as well , that is typically used for cooler testing or multiple remounts in CPU testing.


If you're looking for lighting it's probably better to go for LEDs than cold cathodes as it saves you energy , avoids tube breakage, and gives you color options. I'm not big on lighting so I can't offer any additional information on that, but look around for LED strips with addressable RGB or ones that just plug in to RGB headers.


While the Scythe fan is decent albeit low RPM it's not something I would go out and purchase for case use , especially on that restrictive case. You can probably get away with something like a Phanteks PH-F140MP /PH-F140SP or Arctic P14 as your case supports 140mm fans in front. Supposedly the 275R supports up to 3x 120mm or 2x140mm in front. Because it's slotted mounts I wouldn't worry about any potential 120mm+140mm fan msimatches.
 
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If you want a Seagate HDD for your new system step up to a Pro model they are better faster has a longer 5 year warranty plus 2 years of free data recovery service if you register it with Seagate and the Pro models are just way more reliable

Otherwise buy a WD DC HC Ultrastar HDD they are the old WD Gold series just rebranded and they are also better faster and more reliable than a plain Seagate Barracuda

Edit: the Pro is twice the price at $100 and the WD is $115 but as i said faster better 5 year warranty and way more reliable
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E168221...=Seagate_BarraCuda_Pro-_-22-179-130-_-Product
https://www.newegg.com/p/1B0-0020-000P4
 
#33 ·
So, specs are looking like this so far. Only the case and PSU have been ordered.


CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
MOBO: Asus Crosshairs VIII
GPU: AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT
RAM: Team T-Force 16Gb 2x8gb 3,000MHZ CL16 DDR4
Heatsink: Scythe Mugen 5
Case: Corsair Carbide 275R
PSU: Corsair Vengeance 650W
HDD: Seagate Pro 2TB 7200RPM 256mb cache
NVME: Silicon Power 256Gb 3,000mbs read speed
TIM: Prolimatech PK-1
OS: Windows 10 Pro
 
#34 ·
If you are going to use this system for gaming and nothing else you might as well drop the NVME SSD its not faster for gaming than a drive using the older AHCI protocole

Get an MX500 or an 860 Evo they come in both 2,5 inch and M.2 forms
 
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#38 ·
The motherboard wont bend or break because of an air cooler is mounted not unless you did something wrong
 
#40 ·
Why did you go back to a non Pro Seagate you have a Pro in your last cart?
 
#42 ·
After looking into the Crosshair VIII Formula Price, ill pass...might get the Hero instead. I’ll soend up to $400 on a board, but I can’t justify more than that. This is looking to be a $2,000 build al together. Including al perhiperials and what not.

Anyways. I’m getting these items, and the Corsair PSU I’ll send back or sell. Might still keep the case. Shouldn’t be too bad if I fully populate the fan slots.
 

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#43 ·
So these items are arriving tomorrow. Install and radiator and PSU in the case, and then on the sixth my NVMe and HDD and a few other parts will arrive. Then some stragglers will arrive on the ninth.

By the 7th, I’ll pick my CPU, GPU, and MOBO. Then I’ll need a monitor and OS, desk, speakers.

Projected total is about $2,200.
 

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