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Looks like 12-32 cores will stick to quad channel and remain as normal.

TRX80 I can see being 32/48 core setups at 8 channel memory. WRX80 possibly 64 core?

I do look forward to testing of the new chips. Will be interesting to see how the new chips fair on LN2
Why someone should buy a 12 cores threadripper when there is 16 cores mainstream 3950X?
Quad channel memory, pcie lanes, etc
 

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so coming from using 2950X, 2970WX, and 2990WX, using a 1st gen chip was interesting to say the least.

The memory clocking is very very different comparatively to 2nd series. Core Frequency was fairly straight forward, but slightly unstable a bit after 5GHz.

I probably will procure the rest of the 1st gen chips to have them in my collection and possibly do light testing with them, but I'm in NO hurry at this point. I'll stick to 2nd series and beyond at this point.
 

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Looks like 12-32 cores will stick to quad channel and remain as normal.

TRX80 I can see being 32/48 core setups at 8 channel memory. WRX80 possibly 64 core?

I do look forward to testing of the new chips. Will be interesting to see how the new chips fair on LN2
Why someone should buy a 12 cores threadripper when there is 16 cores mainstream 3950X?
Quad channel memory, pcie lanes, etc
Is quad Channel and PCI lanes enough to justify the price difference between a mainstream and a hedt system?

I hope that threadripper will give us more than only quad channel and lanes.
 

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Is quad Channel and PCI lanes enough to justify the price difference between a mainstream and a hedt system?

I hope that threadripper will give us more than only quad channel and lanes.
Don't hold your breath. Look at what has been announced. Only 24 core parts are going to be available. Go look at the recent AdoredTV video on why there is no availability of R9 parts. One word reason - - - - Epyc.
 

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Possibly stupid question incoming:

I was able to snag a 2950X from a friend for stupid cheap. No reason to say no cheap. So now I have a perfectly good 1950X, and I wanted to save it for a rainy day project, maybe buy some parts for it in a year or something. Would it be prudent to purchase an X399 motherboard for it now? Being somewhat of an X58 enthusiast, I am acutely aware of how rare X58 boards got, while X58 chips were plentiful.
 

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Possibly stupid question incoming:

I was able to snag a 2950X from a friend for stupid cheap. No reason to say no cheap. So now I have a perfectly good 1950X, and I wanted to save it for a rainy day project, maybe buy some parts for it in a year or something. Would it be prudent to purchase an X399 motherboard for it now? Being somewhat of an X58 enthusiast, I am acutely aware of how rare X58 boards got, while X58 chips were plentiful.
We still are in the dark whether TR3 is going to be socket TR4 pin compatible with the existing X399 boards. Doesn't sound likely with the new chipsets announced for TR3.

It might be a smart idea to stockpile an X399 board now if they become rare in the future.
 

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We still are in the dark whether TR3 is going to be socket TR4 pin compatible with the existing X399 boards. Doesn't sound likely with the new chipsets announced for TR3.

It might be a smart idea to stockpile an X399 board now if they become rare in the future.
I think I will do that. Since it's just going to house a 1950X (and won't be upgraded in the future 99% chance), I'll probably just get an Asrock X399 Phantom Gaming 6 since they're super cheap. Gracias for the advice amigo!
 

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I think I will do that. Since it's just going to house a 1950X (and won't be upgraded in the future 99% chance), I'll probably just get an Asrock X399 Phantom Gaming 6 since they're super cheap. Gracias for the advice amigo!
I just got one of these boards though I’ve yet to fire up the system since I’m still waiting on the SSD to arrive.

I’m building a 1920X system mainly because I had the RAM and a gtx1080 from my 1950X system when I upgraded it and the 1920X got down to $190.

You don’t see too many people that have used one of these so there isn’t a lot out there from end users like the Taichi. The board is pretty basic looking and doesn’t include wifi if you intend on using that. It doesn’t have the most robust VRMs and the cooling is weird in that the fins of the top heatsink point downwards towards the CPU. I’m not sure how well this will cool unless you’re using an air cooler or an odd fan configuration (in my case I’m using a side panel mounted AIO since I’m using a $20 case with an odd setup).

I should get a good idea how well the ram overclocks on it since the ram I’m using ran fine at 3466 on my 1950X in a Gigabyte gaming 7 board.
 

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I just got one of these boards though I’ve yet to fire up the system since I’m still waiting on the SSD to arrive.

I’m building a 1920X system mainly because I had the RAM and a gtx1080 from my 1950X system when I upgraded it and the 1920X got down to $190.

You don’t see too many people that have used one of these so there isn’t a lot out there from end users like the Taichi. The board is pretty basic looking and doesn’t include wifi if you intend on using that. It doesn’t have the most robust VRMs and the cooling is weird in that the fins of the top heatsink point downwards towards the CPU. I’m not sure how well this will cool unless you’re using an air cooler or an odd fan configuration (in my case I’m using a side panel mounted AIO since I’m using a $20 case with an odd setup).

I should get a good idea how well the ram overclocks on it since the ram I’m using ran fine at 3466 on my 1950X in a Gigabyte gaming 7 board.
I was planning on using the Fryzen cooler. I bought a Maingear Vybe case, so there will be triple 120mm fans on top, hopefully will create enough airflow over the board.
 

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I was planning on using the Fryzen cooler. I bought a Maingear Vybe case, so there will be triple 120mm fans on top, hopefully will create enough airflow over the board.
It probably will be fine with an air cooler and top mounted fans. I posted a pic I dunno if you can see how weird the VRM heatsink orientation is for allowing air flow. The design really isn’t great for airflow in a conventional setup. It’s weirder they used the design with a less robust VRM to make a budget board. Now my $20 case mounts the PSU directly over the top old fashioned style and has dual 120mms on the side panel which will be fairly atypical for cooling. Since the gtx1080 I’m using is a blower I think it should get decent ventilation even if I have to add a fan to the back. I’m not putting the fans or anything in yet until the hard drive gets here, then I’ll start fooling around.

I’m only using the thing as an upstairs media server when it’s done so it’s not likely to be overclocked much if at all depending on what the temps are.
 

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I am sure everyone already knows, but 1920x is $200 free shipping from Amazon. Killer deal for a great CPU!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074CBJHCT/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Doing my third TR4 build with this around the Taichi M.
The other day they went as low as $190. I’ve been watching because I’d probably do a 3rd myself and replace one more old computer if I get a good enough deal. I just want to see how the Asrock phantom gaming 6 works as a board though first.
 

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I think even at $200 that, to me, is already the "good enough deal" :) Especially when you compare it to the current gen 3900X for example, also a 12 core, but priced at $500+. Just do it, before they are gone !!! Buy now, regret later......
 

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I think even at $200 that, to me, is already the "good enough deal" :) Especially when you compare it to the current gen 3900X for example, also a 12 core, but priced at $500+. Just do it, before they are gone !!! Buy now, regret later......
Keep in mind the cost of a total platform and improvements made over time.

$200 for the CPU, yes, but unless you are replacing a 1900X, then you'll need a new motherboard, and if you want the best out of your new chip then you'll need to get some expensive RAM as the 3200 c14 kits do not come cheap. You will also have NUMA issues, as well as higher power consumption, and a heavy limitation on coolers available.

The 3900X may be $500, but a 3700x is a 1920X's equal in a lot of multi-threaded tasks. A 3900X will slot into most cheaper X470 or even B450 boards, are much less picky about RAM, and will certainly be better at single threaded tasks and power consumption.

Need to take everything into consideration, not just the cost of a CPU.
 

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Keep in mind the cost of a total platform and improvements made over time.

$200 for the CPU, yes, but unless you are replacing a 1900X, then you'll need a new motherboard, and if you want the best out of your new chip then you'll need to get some expensive RAM as the 3200 c14 kits do not come cheap. You will also have NUMA issues, as well as higher power consumption, and a heavy limitation on coolers available.

The 3900X may be $500, but a 3700x is a 1920X's equal in a lot of multi-threaded tasks. A 3900X will slot into most cheaper X470 or even B450 boards, are much less picky about RAM, and will certainly be better at single threaded tasks and power consumption.

Need to take everything into consideration, not just the cost of a CPU.
Not trying to start a debate, just pointing out the price of the 1920x. With that said, there are some things in your statements that are slightly misleading, at least to me, but this is all with community love so I mean it all in a non offending way.

1. X399 MB's like the mentioned Asrock Gaming 6 are in ~$250 range, that's par for a Motherboard that's worth it's weight, not breaking the bank there. $200 CPU + $250 MB = $450, that's NOT bad for 60 PCIe lanes, 12 core/ 24 thread, bifurcation support, IOMMU grouping support for virtualization...
2. 3200 C14 Kits (and all RAM) prices are not sky high anymore. As well, B-Die is not even the "in" thing anymore, it's D and E die, and kits going up to 4000+, which is the big range about the latest Zen anyways, right? So buying a B-Die kit vs a newer 4000+ Kit is really tit for tat.
3. NUMA and Power (do these together), this argument you should really reserve for the 2nd Gen (not first) TR4, and really it's only 2 x chips, the 2970WX (which I own) and the 2990WX. All chips prior to that have no "NUMA" issues as the chiplets are on dedicated memory controllers, and that was the big argument with Wendell and the Windows scheduler, was when the cores on the non-dedicated memory controller chiplet had to traverse. As well, the "power" argument really goes along with the same two chips, 2970 and 2990. My 2950X and 2970X have been more than efficient with my manual OC, and running sub 1.3 volts.

And who's going to spend $500+ on the 3900X and slap it into a $80 - $100 MB? That just seems a bit unbalanced and no pcie 4, and you still end up more in the 3900X setup vs the $450 above. Either setup needs memory, so.....

Plus, X399 is a pretty mature platform at this point, non of the boosting issues like with the latest release. C'mon mang, it's AMD fine wine, haha.
 

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Not trying to start a debate, just pointing out the price of the 1920x. With that said, there are some things in your statements that are slightly misleading, at least to me, but this is all with community love so I mean it all in a non offending way.

1. X399 MB's like the mentioned Asrock Gaming 6 are in ~$250 range, that's par for a Motherboard that's worth it's weight, not breaking the bank there. $200 CPU + $250 MB = $450, that's NOT bad for 60 PCIe lanes, 12 core/ 24 thread, bifurcation support, IOMMU grouping support for virtualization...
2. 3200 C14 Kits (and all RAM) prices are not sky high anymore. As well, B-Die is not even the "in" thing anymore, it's D and E die, and kits going up to 4000+, which is the big range about the latest Zen anyways, right? So buying a B-Die kit vs a newer 4000+ Kit is really tit for tat.
3. NUMA and Power (do these together), this argument you should really reserve for the 2nd Gen (not first) TR4, and really it's only 2 x chips, the 2970WX (which I own) and the 2990WX. All chips prior to that have no "NUMA" issues as the chiplets are on dedicated memory controllers, and that was the big argument with Wendell and the Windows scheduler, was when the cores on the non-dedicated memory controller chiplet had to traverse. As well, the "power" argument really goes along with the same two chips, 2970 and 2990. My 2950X and 2970X have been more than efficient with my manual OC, and running sub 1.3 volts.

And who's going to spend $500+ on the 3900X and slap it into a $80 - $100 MB? That just seems a bit unbalanced and no pcie 4, and you still end up more in the 3900X setup vs the $450 above. Either setup needs memory, so.....

Plus, X399 is a pretty mature platform at this point, non of the boosting issues like with the latest release. C'mon mang, it's AMD fine wine, haha.
$250 is a lot for a X470/B450 motherboard which price under half of that. While I make use of nearly every lane on my board, even your average OCNer only has one GPU and one NVMe drive, IF they have an NVMe drive.

4000 kits are great... but not what you use with Ryzen 1st gen. The specific kits best used with 1st gen are now rare unless you want to manually set every timing.

A 19*0X is two chips, and two NUMA domains. 1st gen EPYC is 4 NUMAs per chip. The 2990WX has the additional problem of having two dies that do not have direct memory access, but that is not what a NUMA domain is. This will explain.

Power is power. A 1920X has a much higher TDP, load power, and idle power as compared to a Ryzen 3 chip, and a large part of that is 14nm.


Plenty of people on OCN if you have been paying attention. Unbalanced has nothing to do with it, it works or it doesn't. Ram is also not an equal cost, because you can not get 3200 14-14-14 in 4GB sticks. Are we assuming 32GB even for the smaller platform?

FineWine only applies to things that get updates. Ryzen 3 is getting updates. Ryzen 1 is not.

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I own a 1950X, one of the most expensive X399 boards, two 1080tis, a 900p, and the internal network for my desktops are 10gbps and for my server 80gbps. My next chip will be a 16c or 24c TR3 chip if it fits in X399.

I am aware of the benefits of the larger platform, and that includes virtualization. That does not change my argument that the whole picture is needed before someone can say a CPU is a good deal because that one part is cheap, nor does it make what I said misleading.
 

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I’m not actually sure how this Phantom Gaming 6 actually is. It’ll be a few more days before I get the hard drive and WiFi card and put it together once and for all. Once I run some temps I’ll know better.

How much you want to cut costs probably depends on your purposes. I’m using an Asetek cooler in the current build, IBuypower occasionally sells them dirt cheap on eBay (I dunno if they have any currently I bought it several months ago). It’s not my preferred cooling solution but it’s cheap (well I paid less than most air coolers). Of course if I’m using a $20 case my primary concern is cost.

I am using 16gb of Team Vulcan ram which was b die 3000. I tested it stable to 3466 in the gigabyte Aorus Gaming 7. I mean I’ve used non QVL ram in my Gigabyte 1950X with success (I currently have 32gb of Adata spectrix running at 3333). In this case though I know the team Vulcan ram is good for the platform.

Ultimately you can build a 1920X for less than the 3700X or 3900X if you use the Asrock Gaming 6.

The phantom Gaming 6 board is really going to be the possible issue of future upgrades since it’s really only designed for 180w CPUs. Sure it may run a 2970 or 2990 but for how long or reliably? Even if the new TRs work on existing boards who knows if it’ll even have enough in the VRMs for them. You’d have to spend another $50 to get another non used board. I think the Aorus pro is the next cheapest and that’s an led stripped gaming 7 combined with the networking from the designare and no WiFi.

If you’re gonna be fine with a 1920X for a long while it’s a good deal. For me it’s for a bedroom and providing media to 2-3 TVs and possibly some gaming before bed, more than enough for what I plan on doing with it.
 

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It probably will be fine with an air cooler and top mounted fans. I posted a pic I dunno if you can see how weird the VRM heatsink orientation is for allowing air flow. The design really isn’t great for airflow in a conventional setup. It’s weirder they used the design with a less robust VRM to make a budget board. Now my $20 case mounts the PSU directly over the top old fashioned style and has dual 120mms on the side panel which will be fairly atypical for cooling. Since the gtx1080 I’m using is a blower I think it should get decent ventilation even if I have to add a fan to the back. I’m not putting the fans or anything in yet until the hard drive gets here, then I’ll start fooling around.

I’m only using the thing as an upstairs media server when it’s done so it’s not likely to be overclocked much if at all depending on what the temps are.
hmm. Well, I don't think I'm going to get mine finished until the holidays, but I will definitely let you know how the VRM temps are. Honestly I was thinking about just ripping off the stock """heatsink""" on the VRMs and adding my own- seeing as how a motherboard """heatsink""" these days is basically a decorative hunk of aluminium.

I've got my fans coming next week, so I'll install all of them and post a pic of how she looks.
 

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Monolithic heatsinks bad - finned heatsinks good

Most consumer boards are designed for "bling" and not functionality. All the latest boards from the past several years have these monolithic chunks of metal on the VRM's simply to look chic and have actual very poor surface area for their supposed job of heat dissipation. The one series of boards that eschews the monolithic metalwork lately has been Gigabyte Aorus. Their VRM heatsinks are actual finned heat sinks with large amount of radiative area. I applaud that design decision. I wish more board manufacturers returned to the "form follows function" ethic.
 

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Most consumer boards are designed for "bling" and not functionality. All the latest boards from the past several years have these monolithic chunks of metal on the VRM's simply to look chic and have actual very poor surface area for their supposed job of heat dissipation. The one series of boards that eschews the monolithic metalwork lately has been Gigabyte Aorus. Their VRM heatsinks are actual finned heat sinks with large amount of radiative area. I applaud that design decision. I wish more board manufacturers returned to the "form follows function" ethic.
There is no reason you can’t make an interesting looking heatsink like the Aorus X399 gaming 7 board that in at least some fashion allows airflow. The ones like the Asrock Phantom Gaming 6 though could use a look at. Considering it has the weakest VRM over the x399 boards it’s heatsink isn’t exactly well designed at least in terms of airflow. While connected via a heatpipe the side by the IO is pretty big probably enough so that the mass is helpful the top part is finned downward. It would clearly cool best with an air cooler (maybe Asrock bets on this in the budget range of things?).

It applies to more than VRMs, ram heat spreaders, m.2 heatsinks, more and more of it is designed more for the aesthetics these days. It’s like RGB on everything. There is no reason you can’t have both. I think the Gigabyte gaming 7 was a good example of it, aside from the Foxconn socket issues and their lousy BIOS support the board itself is not actually badly designed. If you had a BIOS that worked well with your RAM and other hardware it runs at good temps and is very stable in spite of RGB on everything.

My stuff to finish the Phantom Gaming 6 system should all be in this week so I’ll know better how the temps hold up. I’m hopefully optimistic it isn’t too bad and the board is decent, I have one other system that needs to run roughly 14 hard drives and I’d possibly build another while the CPU prices are low.
 
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