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ok the am2 build seems best choice but is this better? they are around the same price<br />
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AMD Opteron 64 170 Socket939 , Denmark Core, 2 x 2.0GHz , 2MB Cache, Retail<br />
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ECS KV2 Extreme VIA K8T800, S939, AGP 4x/8x, DDR 266/333/400, SATA I, SATA RAID, ATX<br />
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2GB PC3200 DDR400 Memory [512mb X4]<br />
Nvidia Geforce 6200 265MB<br />
160GB HDD Space [80GBx2 Maxtor]<br />
2 DVDRW<br />
420W ThermalTake PurePower Power Supply<br />
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Coolermaster Aquagate (Big) Water Cooling System SoA/478/754/775/939/940<br />
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i am thinking of this motherboard will it be able to take a skt 939 Opertron the 170 opertron, i am thinking of as cheap as i can, and i can get both of these from £150 more or less, which will be really great for me, then i have more money for myself.<br />
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possible Future System:<br />
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AMD Opteron 170<br />
ABIT UL8 Motherboard*<br />
1GB PNY DDR400*<br />
19" PB CRT<br />
160GB SATA + 80x2 PATA<br />
Thermal Take Soprano [Black] Case<br />
Nvidia 6200 256MB AGP GFX [i know but it will be upgraded]*<br />
Thermaltake Purepower 500W PSU<br />
Coolmaster Aquagate Water Cooling Kit<br />
Terratec DMX6 Soundcard [depending <img src="/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />]<br />
Labtec Wireless Keyboard & Mouse<br />
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*will upgrade when more funds arrive.<br />
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will add more ram into this machine <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /> lets face it, 2GB memory and a dual core CPU going to be nice for the GFX card, that will be upgraded too, but i will go PCI-E if i am going to do so, as better cards <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /> faster anyway. all depends if i can get the money to do the extra upgrades but the main system above will possibly happen.
 

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According to Abit's site, it supports Athlon X2s, so I would assume a dual core Opty would work alright, too.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">According to Abit's site, it supports Athlon X2s, so I would assume a dual core Opty would work alright, too.</div>

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</div>hmmm i just want to be sure dont want to get it and it not working you know, will be a lot of hassle for me.
 

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I'm not sure about how the Opty would work out but if you plan to OC, the 165 is probably the way to go as it can hit 3Ghz on air with little or no voltage increase. All and all I like it thought except for the water cooling kit! High End Air Cooling > Low End Water cooling. I would recommend either a Big Typhoon VX or a Tuniq Tower if you can find it. Other than that, your system seems to be great! With the slur of AGP cards coming out these days, you'll have no trouble upgrading in a year or so.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">I'm not sure about how the Opty would work out but if you plan to OC, the 165 is probably the way to go as it can hit 3Ghz on air with little or no voltage increase. All and all I like it thought except for the water cooling kit! High End Air Cooling > Low End Water cooling. I would recommend either a Big Typhoon VX or a Tuniq Tower if you can find it. Other than that, your system seems to be great! With the slur of AGP cards coming out these days, you'll have no trouble upgrading in a year or so.</div>

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yep, the 165 isnt dual core, the 170 is though thats the only different it is also the same price.<br />
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really i just want to know if the 170 is compatible with the Abit UL8 Motherboard...
 

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The 165 IS dual core <img src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Stick Out Tongue" class="inlineimg" /><br />
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And the 165 generally is the better overclocker of the pair.
 

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<img src="/images/smilies/redface.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Embarrassment" class="inlineimg" /> the website i checked given me faulty information, when i look for the 165 its around the same price, is the 165 still got 1mbx2 cache?
 

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Yep. 2 x 1MB cache.
 

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Do avoid a VIA chip set like the Kt800, no bus locks <img src="/images/smilies/frown.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Frown" class="inlineimg" /><br />
Not sure on the ULI as to having a lock or not. Do get a MB that does!
 

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i am just looking now people have had both of the CPU at 3GHz i wont be overclocking it till i have it for at least 6 months, so i think i may stick with the 170 by the time i find another site which stock it and also have it in stock and have it shipped its going to cost the same, least if i get the mb and processor from the supplier it will be more convienient to send back.
 

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You could have my asrock mobo then you could get am2 when your ready<br><br>
Well not have but buy, it has locked ports and supports dual cores
 

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hmmm i dunno, i am just thinking i dont have a lot of money, and i really want driving lessons so i kinda what to have as cheap as possible computer, also i want it to be able to be returns if faults occur and what not.<br><br>
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If I could make a sugestion since you want your dollar to go as far as possible. If your not completely set on AMD, you would be far more future proof with Intel. I have both a 939 X2 3800 and an AM2 X2 3800 system and upgrading is pretty limited as far as next generation upgrades. When quad AMD comes out, you will have to get a new MB and processor to upgrade (Ram too if you go with 939).<br><br>
If you went with a good 775 Intel board and a cheap 805D dual processor to start with, you would only have to get a new processor to upgrade your system, and that includes the new Kentsfield Quad processor. This should give you at least 2 or 3 years of easy upgrading as you get the money up to do so.<br><br>
I have enjoyed AMD for over 15 years but Intel has made a comeback by being very smart about it's new products. I'm not in anyway saying that an X2 3800 system would be bad, just that your dollars would be better spent on a currently better and smarter product.<br><br>
My systems now do very well but I am 99% sure my next system will be Intel, it's a smart dollar spent right now. Good luck with your new system whatever it turns out to be. Compared to your current system, you will be very happy with the difference of your new rig. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Smile">
 
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hmm i was only hoping to spend around £200 for the memory for a 805 computer i will be looking at £100 straight away.<br />
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i was thinking to keep the opteron tbh, use the 170 its similar price to the 165 but its cheaper, and then use as many components i already own as possible to save money, maybe after i have a car and able to drive i will be looking for more from a computer, but for the time being a little motherboard and processor upgrade will future proof me about 50% then i am already maybe even more, as i am demanding more from my application my Barton is coping great but i think it will be great in my brother snd dads hands. its had its time and its proven well. i think its time for me to upgrade ever so slightly and when i have a car, passed my tests and basically left school then another upgrade could go down well.<br />
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going back to what i need to know<br />
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is the Opteron 170 compatible with Abit UL8 motherboard, its somthing which i need to know.
 

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I noted that you were planning 4x512MB RAM in the rig. Don't! If you get 2GB in an AMD rig, it's much better to get 2X1GB sticks. 4x512MB will hurt your performance! <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /> The AMD on-die memory controller does not like it.<br />
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No answer to your question about Opty + Abit... sorry <img src="/images/smilies/redface.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Embarrassment" class="inlineimg" />
 

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It may need a bios upgrade for it to recognise the opty
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">I noted that you were planning 4x512MB RAM in the rig. Don't! If you get 2GB in an AMD rig, it's much better to get 2X1GB sticks. 4x512MB will hurt your performance! <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /> The AMD on-die memory controller does not like it.<br />
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No answer to your question about Opty + Abit... sorry <img src="/images/smilies/redface.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Embarrassment" class="inlineimg" /></div>

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</div>i was thinking of doing 1GB and 2x512mb, just for now, until i have the money to get myself another 1GB when i first get it, the chances are i am going to just run 1GB memory with it, but that will be getting upgraded.<br />
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<div style="font-style:italic">It may need a bios upgrade for it to recognise the opty</div>

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</div>it may do, or maybe not, i would need to know this before i go and throw my money at it. people are saying it takes X2 so it will probably take Opteron 170, but as i see it they are saying "may" and "probably" i am after somthing more secure for an answer.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">i was thinking of doing 1GB and 2x512mb, just for now, until i have the money to get myself another 1GB when i first get it, the chances are i am going to just run 1GB memory with it, but that will be getting upgraded.<br><br><br>
it may do, or maybe not, i would need to know this before i go and throw my money at it. people are saying it takes X2 so it will probably take Opteron 170, but as i see it they are saying "may" and "probably" i am after somthing more secure for an answer.</div>
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Check on the website <a href="http://www.abit-usa.com" target="_blank">www.abit-usa.com</a>
 

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take a look at AM2 and the 1210 to 1214.. thats what im planning.. with a half decent water rig im hoping to slap a conroe or two. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Smile"><br><br>
i know i have high hopes but it could reach over a stock conroe <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue">
 
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