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Source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15217/intels-manufacturing-roadmap-from-2019-to-2029

So let’s go through some key areas.

1.4nm in 2029
Intel expects to be on 2 year cadence with its manufacturing process node technology, starting with 10nm in 2019 and moving to 7nm EUV in 2021, then a fundamental new node in each of 2023, 2025, 2027, 2029. This final node is what ASML has dubbed '1.4nm'. This is the first mention on 1.4nm in the context of Intel on any Intel-related slide. For context, if that 1.4nm is indicative of any actual feature, would be the equivalent of 12 silicon atoms across.

It is perhaps worth noting that some of the talks at this year’s IEDM features dimensions on the order of 0.3nm with what are called ‘2D self-assembly’ materials, so something this low isn’t unheard of, but it is unheard of in silicon. Obviously there are many issues going that small that Intel (and its partners) will have to overcome.

+, ++, and Back Porting
In between each process node, as Intel has stated before, there will be iterative + and ++ versions of each in order to extract performance from each process node. The only exception to this is 10nm, which is already on 10+, so we will see 10++ and 10+++ in 2020 and 2021 respectively. Intel believes they can do this on a yearly cadence, but also have overlapping teams to ensure that one full process node can overlap with another.


Update: After some emailing back and forth, we can confirm that the slide that Intel's partner ASML presented at the IEDM conference is actually an altered version of what Intel presented for the September 2019 source. ASML added animations to the slide such that the bottom row of dates correspond to specific nodes, however at the time we didn't spot these animations (neither did it seem did the rest of the press). It should be noted that the correlation that ASML made to exact node names isn't so much a stretch of the imagination to piece together, however it has been requested that we also add the original Intel slide to provide context to what Intel is saying compared to what was presented by ASML. Some of the wording in the article has changed to reflect this. Our analysis is still relevant.
 

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All I see is a greedy, inept, complacent company that spent 8 years doing absolutely nothing, and now that a competitor has caught them with their pants down, they have to try and blow all the smoke they can to do maximum damage control on their stock price.

None of this will happen according to this timeline. 10nm is still vaporware in almost every realistic use of the word. This slide and its alleged plan is just a bunch of marketing bull excrement.
 

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All I see is a greedy, inept, complacent company that spent 8 years doing absolutely nothing, and now that a competitor has caught them with their pants down, they have to try and blow all the smoke they can to do maximum damage control on their stock price.

None of this will happen according to this timeline. 10nm is still vaporware in almost every realistic use of the word. This slide and its alleged plan is just a bunch of marketing bull excrement.
This
 

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oh for sure. Pretty sure tech companies can blow the most smoke, as most holders & members don't know squat besides "have you tried turning it off and on again?" They get their tech advice from their nieces and nephews. I think this is part of the reason why AMD was able to blow their price back up so quickly. No one had a clue, & most folks around here were claiming they were gonna go outta business.

well, i'm here to say rebounding from $1.5 >>> ~$40 in less than 5 years is any CEO's dream scenario.
 

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oh for sure. Pretty sure tech companies can blow the most smoke, as most holders & members don't know squat besides "have you tried turning it off and on again?" They get their tech advice from their nieces and nephews. I think this is part of the reason why AMD was able to blow their price back up so quickly. No one had a clue, & most folks around here were claiming they were gonna go outta business.

well, i'm here to say rebounding from $1.5 >>> ~$40 in less than 5 years is any CEO's dream scenario.
Yeah, I remember this place and other forums saying AMD would be bankrupt no matter what, even if Ryzen was successful...
 

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Yeah, I remember this place and other forums saying AMD would be bankrupt no matter what, even if Ryzen was successful...


Now AMD can do no wrong and Intel is just evil.
 

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Now AMD can do no wrong and Intel is just evil.
said the same people.

funny how the world works. ;)

while the rest of us explained how its nearly impossible for AMD to fold.
 

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Now AMD can do no wrong and Intel is just evil.
Ah yes the kindness of the company that kept us on $350 4c/8t chips for a decade
 

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Can't wait for 10nm+++++++ further out.
 

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said the same people.

funny how the world works. ;)

while the rest of us explained how its nearly impossible for AMD to fold.
Both AMD and Intel hold too many patents and trademarks to ever fold as long as we live in a world where desktop and server CPUs exist, even if they spend years upon years making trash tier chips.
 

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What i am more concerned about is the policy to restrict other countries using Intel/AMD products. Right now, its ok but its only matter of time till China/Russia can successfully design there own chips that match Intel/AMD and those nations choice to develop there own standard will have world wide effect. It's not hard for them to steal/get the tech considering TSMC is based out of Taiwan. I put this similar to what we are seeing with Alipay/WechatPay/UnionPay Card. More and more shops online and even retail based in North America are accepting them. The adoption rate outside of China may be slower but its still growing. I myself refuse to use Alipay/UnionPay/WechatPay but one day I will have no choice but to join them.

Even Aliexpress was in the process of setting up north american office so they really have targets on the Amazon/Ebay market. They have everything you can imagine at cheap rates often more selection than even amazon. I see some of my friends and most of my colleagues always order stuff in from there but they are from China so they are all used to that setup and convenience.
 

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Considering a more realistic difficulties I would rather say the progress will get exponentially worse at the least unlike their often overly optimistic linear difficulty which they are failing to meet for quite some time anyway.



amd would've done the same if we reversed positions
 

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All I see is a greedy, inept, complacent company that spent 8 years doing absolutely nothing, and now that a competitor has caught them with their pants down, they have to try and blow all the smoke they can to do maximum damage control on their stock price.

None of this will happen according to this timeline. 10nm is still vaporware in almost every realistic use of the word. This slide and its alleged plan is just a bunch of marketing bull excrement.
It's even worse than this. Intel's 10nm performs worse than their 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Now AMD can do no wrong and Intel is just evil.
Intel were always evil, some people just refused to accept it.

Can't wait for 10nm+++++++ further out.
You mean 10nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
 

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Came to make a joke about the plus signs but multiple people beat me to it lol
 

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I think the whole skipping the 10nm node might be a problem for them down the road. They have not made enough SKUs to really learn alot about 10nm, and now they are jumping to 7...
I think 7nm paper launch will happen in 2021 however realistically i think we will be waiting for 2022 to actually see anything on 7nm at earliest.... ANd it might perform worse than 14+++

And wait a second, the whole Skipping 10nm for desktops/Servers....that means there will be no major changes on the Desktop/Server side of things till 2022.... OUCH!
 

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Came to make a joke about the plus signs but multiple people beat me to it lol

Same, Intel talking about 1.4nm by 2029 after an endless amount of delays? That's an even better joke.


As much as we all love to bash Intel as of late and as much as we may agree that Intel is a scummy company, we also have to hope that they can provide some form of competition in the next few years otherwise we may end up in the same position we just came out of.
 

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What i am more concerned about is the policy to restrict other countries using Intel/AMD products. Right now, its ok but its only matter of time till China/Russia can successfully design there own chips that match Intel/AMD and those nations choice to develop there own standard will have world wide effect. It's not hard for them to steal/get the tech considering TSMC is based out of Taiwan. I put this similar to what we are seeing with Alipay/WechatPay/UnionPay Card. More and more shops online and even retail based in North America are accepting them. The adoption rate outside of China may be slower but its still growing. I myself refuse to use Alipay/UnionPay/WechatPay but one day I will have no choice but to join them.

Even Aliexpress was in the process of setting up north american office so they really have targets on the Amazon/Ebay market. They have everything you can imagine at cheap rates often more selection than even amazon. I see some of my friends and most of my colleagues always order stuff in from there but they are from China so they are all used to that setup and convenience.
Dude nobody with any sense of legitimacy is gonna buy Russian or Chinese CPUs outside of those countries and/or their puppet states.
 

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Same, Intel talking about 1.4nm by 2029 after an endless amount of delays? That's an even better joke.


As much as we all love to bash Intel as of late and as much as we may agree that Intel is a scummy company, we also have to hope that they can provide some form of competition in the next few years otherwise we may end up in the same position we just came out of.
Will Intel get that 1.4nm process out first, or will the James Webb telescope get launched first??
 
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