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"AnandTech has seen documents and supporting information from multiple sources that show that Intel is planning to release a new high-end desktop processor, the Core i9-9990XE. These documents show that the processors will not be sold at retail; rather they will only be sold to system integrators, and then only through a closed online auction. "

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13804/intel-core-i9-9990xe-up-to-5-ghz-auction-only

What? Why? also why 9990XE is 14C vs 9980XE that is 18C? what going on over there? lol.

What do you think?
 

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Only to OEM's through a closed... whaaa?

Lots of speeds but if you make it difficult for reviewers to get their hands on outside of Corsair One and Alienware that's gonna be a mess.

9980XE is already $2k, so could this be a 3k "desktop" CPU?
 

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If you're confused by this, Intel isn't targeting the enthusiast market with these. The intended market is for HFTs - which care mostly about single-threaded performance and have much bigger pockets than the average consumer.

From what I've heard, Intel has actually been doing this for years. The "system integrators" that they mention are actually specialized vendors that build OC'ed systems for HFTs. For years Intel has already been saving the very top-binned for chips for HFTs who are willing to pay a premium for them. It looks like now they're dedicating a new SKU for them.

This flip-side of this is that, it is difficult to find golden chips among retail samples. Since Intel takes them all out and sells them to the HFTs. So unless vendors like Silicon Lottery get them directly from Intel like the HFT vendors, I'd expect them to be at a disadvantage in terms of getting the best chips.
 

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Make sense- Intel is using all the time they got before Ryzen 2.0 to sell every expensive chips they can, bcz for now there are some customers waiting.
 

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Make sense- Intel is using all the time they got before Ryzen 2.0 to sell every expensive chips they can, bcz for now there are some customers waiting.
I need to be careful what I say since I'm not entirely sure what I'm allowed to say publicly. But I've been told that Zen2 will not be able to displace Intel for HFTs.

I'll leave that up for interpretation.
 

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They could have called it the 9940XE, or even XET, eXtreme Edition Turbo. Calling it 9990XE is silly, although it's not the first time that they messed up the naming. Back in the X58 days the i7-970 was a 32nm hexa core, while the i7-975 EE was a 45nm quad core.



If you're confused by this, Intel isn't targeting the enthusiast market with these. The intended market is for HFTs - which care mostly about single-threaded performance and have much bigger pockets than the average consumer.

From what I've heard, Intel has actually been doing this for years. The "system integrators" that they mention are actually specialized vendors that build OC'ed systems for HFTs. For years Intel has already been saving the very top-binned for chips for HFTs who are willing to pay a premium for them. It looks like now they're dedicating a new SKU for them.

This flip-side of this is that, it is difficult to find golden chips among retail samples. Since Intel takes them all out and sells them to the HFTs. So unless vendors like Silicon Lottery get them directly from Intel like the HFT vendors, I'd expect them to be at a disadvantage in terms of getting the best chips.

Yeah, I remember several instances, the Nehalem based 2C/4T clocked at 4.4 Ghz and even earlier there were special orders (although I doubt it was for traders, as it was a Front Side Bus motherboard compatibility thing), where they made 2.8 Ghz and even 3 Ghz Pentium 4 Northwoood Socket 478 with a 400 Mhz Front Side Bus, when the regular version available for purchase only goes up to 2.6 Ghz.


I need to be careful what I say since I'm not entirely sure what I'm allowed to say publicly. But I've been told that Zen2 will not be able to displace Intel for HFTs.

I'll leave that up for interpretation.

Overclocking headroom is probably diminute, which is not surprising considering all we know, the Zen arch and the new 7nm process, but nonetheless disappointing. Hence, more cores with the chiplet design on the mainstream socket. At least they'll be able to match Intel core for core at stock clocks from what it seems.
 

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"AnandTech has seen documents and supporting information from multiple sources that show that Intel is planning to release a new high-end desktop processor, the Core i9-9990XE. These documents show that the processors will not be sold at retail; rather they will only be sold to system integrators, and then only through a closed online auction. "

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13804/intel-core-i9-9990xe-up-to-5-ghz-auction-only

What? Why? also why 9990XE is 14C vs 9980XE that is 18C? what going on over there? lol.

What do you think?
LOL

How desperate they are getting. Dumping worst dies dies with no iGPUs, now trying to sell best binned chips at insanely limited quantity to selected business customers and even then only to those actually invited to participate and not everyone.
Why 14C? Because finding an 18C chip that can run such clocks is a world record chip, one of a kind, reserved for WRs aka not for sell. How do you think WRs are made by XOC? They get a bunch of pre binned chips, the top dogs you can't buy and then bin the best out of these.
 

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they really should stop chasing after high clocks, its just netburst all over again.
 

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I need to be careful what I say since I'm not entirely sure what I'm allowed to say publicly. But I've been told that Zen2 will not be able to displace Intel for HFTs.

I'll leave that up for interpretation.
I have an understanding that places me in a similar position and will second this.

they really should stop chasing after high clocks, its just netburst all over again.
It's far deeper than this. Those that seek this type of product replace their systems routinely regardless. A $10,000 system is not a large expense when compared to the utility such a system provides.
 

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they really should stop chasing after high clocks, its just netburst all over again.
The people using these systems (correctly) likely see a value that far dwarfs even an extremely high price. Specialized tools often demand a specialized price and these are likely people who don't mind running a chiller 24/7 to make sure they can shave every ns off that they can.
 

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what are you guys implying? my point is its time to change architectures, hint *netburst repeat*.
 

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I need to be careful what I say since I'm not entirely sure what I'm allowed to say publicly. But I've been told that Zen2 will not be able to displace Intel for HFTs.

I'll leave that up for interpretation.

I'm guessing the AVX 512 performance isn't there and AVX2 requires a bigger clock drop than on Intel.
 

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what are you guys implying? my point is its time to change architectures, hint *netburst repeat*.
It doesn't matter what or how good the architecture is. There will always be a market for the best of the best. So whatever is available, the HFTs will go after whatever offers the best performance for them - which happens to be the highest-clocked of something - even if it is so far into the realm of diminishing returns that it sounds stupid to those unfamiliar with the industry.

I can't imagine Intel putting any real effort into "making" these 9990XE chips. They're simply taking the best of what the binning process yields and selling them for a premium.

So it's not taking any resources away from their "next architecture".


I'm guessing the AVX 512 performance isn't there and AVX2 requires a bigger clock drop than on Intel.
It's already public knowledge that Zen 2 won't have AVX512. (AMD pretends it doesn't exist, and it isn't in their GCC patches.)

On the AVX2 throttling, Anandtech did an interview with AMD. They said it won't throttle, but gave a very unsatisfying reason.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13578/naples-rome-milan-zen-4-an-interview-with-amd-cto-mark-papermaster

IC: With the FP units now capable of doing 256-bit on their own, is there a frequency drop when 256-bit code is run, similar to when Intel runs AVX2?

MP: No, we don’t anticipate any frequency decrease. We leveraged 7nm. One of the things that 7nm enables us is scale in terms of cores and FP execution. It is a true doubling because we didn’t only double the pipeline with, but we also doubled the load-store and the data pipe into it.
 

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It doesn't matter what or how good the architecture is. There will always be a market for the best of the best. So whatever is available, the HFTs will go after whatever offers the best performance for them - which happens to be the highest-clocked of something - even if it is so far into the realm of diminishing returns that it sounds stupid to those unfamiliar with the industry.

I can't imagine Intel putting any real effort into "making" these 9990XE chips. They're simply taking the best of what the binning process yields and selling them for a premium.

So it's not taking any resources away from their "next architecture".

well yes, but this doesn't change the fact that they really do need a new architecture.
of course unless they can pull off a 6Ghz on all cores in their next revision or something equally shocking.
 

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what are you guys implying? my point is its time to change architectures, hint *netburst repeat*.
"They are implying they will not be updating their high frequency tracing systems to AMD products because Intel parts offer them better performance. Of course dumping $10k is noting for such people and companies when they exploit the trading system for multiples of that every second."

What do you do when architecture is not changing? Hunt for clock speed when you still control manufacturing. 6700K or 9900K what's the difference? Nearly none architecture wise. Even compared to older Core processors it's very similar.
 

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I need to be careful what I say since I'm not entirely sure what I'm allowed to say publicly. But I've been told that Zen2 will not be able to displace Intel for HFTs.

I'll leave that up for interpretation.
Not much to interpret. You are telling us that Zen2 won't beat intel in single threaded performance.
 

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Not much to interpret. You are telling us that Zen2 won't beat intel in single threaded performance.
Not quite. It's more than that as some programs and platforms are designed and optimized for current Intel products. The additional cores and high clock speed can make for an edge over the competition in a sense.

A high latency design is immediately off the table for some specialized uses. These type of chips will never have a game played on them and are not comparable to desktop processors in that way.

That's like saying the Porsche 911 is a great car but Joe down the street says it won't haul a load of 4x8 sheets of drywall like his 1 ton pickup truck will. Of course it won't, that's not what it's meant to do.
 

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Not much to interpret. You are telling us that Zen2 won't beat intel in single threaded performance.
Not quite. It's more than that as some programs and platforms are designed and optimized for current Intel products. The additional cores and high clock speed can make for an edge over the competition in a sense.

A high latency design is immediately off the table for some specialized uses. These type of chips will never have a game played on them and are not comparable to desktop processors in that way.

That's like saying the Porsche 911 is a great car but Joe down the street says it won't haul a load of 4x8 sheets of drywall like his 1 ton pickup truck will. Of course it won't, that's not what it's meant to do.
No details, no specifics, just a rehash of vague use cases and a typical car analogy

Yah ok

I've seen algorithmic trading done with threadRipper for the first time this year

The xmas party was huge.
 
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