[Darkshowdo]

So I have my ATI 4850 I won at a Gamespot Contest and well it getting to the point now that im going to need a new graphics card.

I really like ATI alot
But I recently changed my mind, as I now love having dual monitors togeather and ATI is terrible for it seems.

Cuase when i turn on ATI overclock software ( The on in CCC), I only use it to turn fan speed up, my second monitor will start showing black bars random popup, Ive serched about it. It seems that its a problem with CCC driver. There driver support sucks i think.

Anyways.

Im looking at the GTX560ti or the GTX570
As i know the upgrade will almost be about almost twice as better as my 4850,
But my graphics card now starting to struggle on games, like crysis 2 i would i can play at 1920x1080 just not max, Starcraft 2 i have to lower graphics cause i need full 60fps for that game as im very competive in it.

For the money Im looking at 350max.
I thought the 6850 would be amazing, But as for the ati problem idk anymore.

Anyhelp would be appriciated.

Thank you.

 

[amstech]

There always seems to be issues with AMD's drivers but from what I have heard they have tightened things up considerably.

$300-$350 is plenty to get a nice GPU.
If you want to stick red, the 2GB 6950 is a good bargain right now.
If going green, the GTX 560Ti and 570 are good options.

 

[Darkshowdo]

OK yeh they seem crap now.

But Is teh 570 worth the extra almost 100 dollars then the 560ti?

 

[Darkshowdo]

I would also think my PSU would not be up to par for the 570.
No 8pin on my power supply only 2 6pins

 

[Stefy]

Who the hell told you AMD is terrible for multimonitor setups? I want to know what that guy has been smoking.

Get the AMD 6950, extra Vram + chance on unlock if you buy reference 2GB.

The 570 is a crap card with ****ty VRMs, don't even consider it if you wanna OC.

 

[Darkshowdo]

I have always like ATI dont get me wrong, and it wasnt some person just reading online it seems common cause of the drivers i heard.

When i activate the overclocking software in CCC it black bars on my second monitor. So i always just keep the overclocking off cause of it.
I would love to get the 6950 but i have no desire to Flash to 6970, Dont wanna risk the brick.

 

[Erick Silver]

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Originally Posted by Stefy;12987804
Who the hell told you AMD is terrible for multimonitor setups? I want to know what that guy has been smoking.

Get the AMD 6950, extra Vram + chance on unlock if you buy reference 2GB.

The 570 is a crap card with ****ty VRMs, don't even consider it if you wanna OC.

Whoa Whoa Whoa. Easy on the fanboi-ism there mate. My apologies if I offend but that is how it is coming acrossed to me. I have heard of issues from both sides of the fences when it comes to Red vs Green. I, personally, am a Nvidia user. I prefer them over ATI. I have had, over all, a better experience with Nvidia. Thats not to say that ATI is a bad company. This could of course go the other way as well. As you can see from my sig rig I kinda go against the grain. Ultra PSU( They have been superb for me. Never a hiccup.), CM Storm Sentinel Advance Mouse(people have complained about sensor issues. Works great for me. Never an issue). I guess what I am saying here is stick to knowledgeable posts. (Sorry Stefy, but you could have put in some actual useful info) Gather as much valid info as you can and make the best decision based on what you need.

By personal experience, I do have to say that when I am gaming with GT240 and my dual monitor setup I do see quite a difference if I shut down my secondary monitor. It can't seem to handle the extra requirments. I can only assume that the 4850 being of about the same quality of a GT240 that you would have some similar issues. Try disabling the secondary monitor in CCC when you are gaming. You should see a difference in Framerate etc.

 

[Stefy]

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Originally Posted by Darkshowdo;12987974
I have always like ATI dont get me wrong, and it wasnt some person just reading online it seems common cause of the drivers i heard.

When i activate the overclocking software in CCC it black bars on my second monitor. So i always just keep the overclocking off cause of it.
I would love to get the 6950 but i have no desire to Flash to 6970, Dont wanna risk the brick.

You tried reinstalling your drivers? Also this might be a problem with your spesific card, not ATI in general, just saying. If you don't wanna unlock then either go with the 570 (don't expect any decent overclocking results at all) or go with the 6970. Since you're running 2 monitors, additional Vram is always nice, which is why I recommended AMD this time. The 560 is always there though...

 

[reflex99]

I have issues with nvidia drivers. Point?

/OT

On topic:

I think that the 560 is a much better value. I hear that if overclocked, the 560 can come close to 570 performance. Also the 570 has been known to die while overclocking, and even occaisionally at stock.

 

[Darkshowdo]

Hmm intresting, Yes i just upgraded my driver to the new 11.3 i think it is.

But concerning ati vs nvidia stuff.

I want ATI cause the huge 2gb memory it has as i know helps alot with 2 monitors.

but i want Nvidia cause of the driver it has and better monitor support.

also 3d and Phyx are a plus also.

I was just looking at the 6950 twin frozr 3 Looks great but i dont know the 560ti is very very simlier in preformence and maybe better in some games. Plus added specs of the Phyx and 3d,

Question being now.
Would my PSU be enough for either of those cards.

500w rosewill [email protected], [email protected]
Thinking if i get the 560ti i could also go ahead and get a good PSU with it.
But if not needed then i wouldnt.
I have no issue now with the 4850 i have with power and all the stuff i have in it.

 

[Stefy]

AMD has 3D as well, and yes, the PSU is enough.

 

[amstech]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefy;12987804
The 570 is a crap card with ****ty VRMs, don't even consider it if you wanna OC.

Crap card?
They overclock just fine as long you don't try to squeeze the life out of them.

I like GTX 580 performance for $350.

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Originally Posted by reflex99;12988065
Also the 570 has been known to die while overclocking,

When voiding the volt limiter.

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Originally Posted by reflex99;12988065
and even occaisionally at stock.

570's die at stock now huh?

 

[-Apocalypse-]

Quote:

Originally Posted by reflex99;12988065
I think that the 560 is a much better value. I hear that if overclocked, the 560 can come close to 570 performance. Also the 570 has been known to die while overclocking, and even occaisionally at stock.

570s die when you turn off OCP and go beyond 1.1v without the cooling system to do so. The cards that died at stock are the same level of bad cards that you see from absolutely any run of cards, and barely more common. Yes, there are cards dying when overclocked with OCP on, but it's not an outright epidemic that people make it out to be. Is it more common than other cards? Yes. Is it above 5% of 570s dying (at <1.1v)? No. Don't go insane on the OC, and the card is amazing. Especially if you go with the Asus custom version.

As for value, heavily overclocked (>950 core) 560ti = 570 stock. Moderately overclocked (>850 core) 570 = 580 stock. That's $100 value on OCing the 560ti, a $150+ value on OCing the 570... If I wanted to, I'm pretty sure I could take my 570 to 1.1v, be at 975-1k core, and easily outperform stock 580s, probably even some of the light factory OC ones. On top of that, I wouldn't even be concerned with the card failing. Only reason I haven't already done that is because of the terrible airflow in my case.

 

[Darkshowdo]

Hmm, So gtx570 sounds crap stay away from that is what im getting out of this.

I love the idea of the gtx580 but i know for sure i would need a PSU for that as no 8pin on mine and using adapters are just meh for me lol.

I do like to overclock dont get me wrong, but i dont ever touch volatage stuff, Cause i honestly have no clue what to do then lol.
Not worth it. I just push it as far as i can on stock voltages XD
and safe of course.

Im now just looking at 6950 2gb vs the 560ti benchmarks and its pretty much dead even.

And ATI has 3d now? Since when? aw i see amdhd3d hmm well ok then lol XD

My airflow is pretty good i would say not worried about that, Temps sit at like 50 idle on my 4850 but thats cuase the fan only at like 20% ati werid like that. idk.
my cpu never go any higher then 50c on full load.

 

[reflex99]

Quote:

Originally Posted by amstech;12988221
Crap card?
They overclock just fine as long you don't try to squeeze the life out of them.

I like GTX 580 performance for $350.

When voiding the volt limiter.

570's die at stock now huh?

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Originally Posted by -Apocalypse-;12988232
570s die when you turn off OCP and go beyond 1.1v without the cooling system to do so. The cards that died at stock are the same level of bad cards that you see from absolutely any run of cards, and barely more common. Yes, there are cards dying when overclocked with OCP on, but it's not an outright epidemic that people make it out to be. Is it more common than other cards? Yes. Is it above 5% of 570s dying (at <1.1v)? No. Don't go insane on the OC, and the card is amazing. Especially if you go with the Asus custom version.

As for value, heavily overclocked (>950 core) 560ti = 570 stock. Moderately overclocked (>850 core) 570 = 580 stock. That's $100 value on OCing the 560ti, a $150+ value on OCing the 570... If I wanted to, I'm pretty sure I could take my 570 to 1.1v, be at 975-1k core, and easily outperform stock 580s, probably even some of the light factory OC ones. On top of that, I wouldn't even be concerned with the card failing. Only reason I haven't already done that is because of the terrible airflow in my case.

you shoudn't need to have OCP in the first place.

http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/929152-have-you-killed-570-a.html

quite a few of those died under 1.1v, with OCP on.

Just face the facts. 4 VRMs are not enough to handle the 570 GPU. It is a known fact that nVidia screwed up.

 

[amstech]

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Originally Posted by reflex99;12988337
. It is a known fact that nVidia screwed up.

Nvidia have voltage limiters in there for a reason.
The VRM's are more then fine.

Youre obviously biased and uneducated on this and youre statements are quite foolish, I suggest you stop with your instigative comments and hate towards the green team before yet another thread sinks to the bottom.

 

[reflex99]

What?

If they had put VRM's capable of handling the power requirements of the GPU, they would not need OCP.

They wanted to fit a price bracket, and the only way for them to do that was to cheap out on the VRM's.

The 480 used more power than a 570, but did not feature OCP. It is possible to run 480 cuda cores without OCP.

Calling me a fool/troll/whatever doesn't get us anywhere.

 

[sp4wners]

But that's the truth. Most of GTX 570 are crap. "If You want to burn your house, buy Nvidia" - new Nvidia slogan. Sorry for that, it was a joke

BTW. OP You can get 6950 Twin Frozr III and unlock only shaders, then OC card manually in Afterburner.

 

[Darkshowdo]

Wow what i have i caused lol

 

[-Apocalypse-]

Quote:

Originally Posted by reflex99;12988337
you shoudn't need to have OCP in the first place.

http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/929152-have-you-killed-570-a.html

quite a few of those died under 1.1v, with OCP on.

Just face the facts. 4 VRMs are not enough to handle the 570 GPU. It is a known fact that nVidia screwed up.

That thread you linked, it was updated last week. There are 12 dead cards in that thread. TWELVE. Three of them had OCP off. So that's NINE cards that have died with OCP on. That is an epidemic. Couldn't possibly be 9 oddities. I mean there are only about 110 users, 15-30% with SLI, listed in the 570 club (I myself haven't entered it, and there are others like me) so nine being reported as frying is just horrible...
Owait...

The 590s are the ones frying at the slightest touch, the 570s just have a bad rep from AMD fanbois screaming about it in every direction. If we assume there are 200 total 570s represented on OCN (adding numbers for SLI and non-club members, probably a low estimate), and ~20 have died total(probably a high estimate), the rate of failure on 570s is not terrible. Not good, but not bad enough to be a reason to avoid the card.

Edit: I just checked list again, 4 of the cards that died were ABOVE 1.1v, 2 of the cards that died under 1.1v had OCP off. So that's 6 cards dead under normal overclocks...