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Just wanted to know if anyone has used this and just how it pairs up tp Vapor?<br />
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thats a rather expensive set up.. i dont think it will go as cold as a vapo but it is for sub ambient temps .. meaning colder then your room temp.. which means a lot of extra prep to fight condensation
 

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That looks decent. I love swiftech products a lot. The only thing I don't like about it is the price and the two 120mm rads rather than one 2x120 rad. You can get a slush box made for you with waterblocks for that price.
 

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Thats almost the price of phase...it better deliver near 0 temps for that price...
 

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OK now price @$519 vs $850 for vapor that $300 difference?? so yes cheaper unless you know where I can get a vapor for $600? and is there anyone out there that has tryed this ???<br />
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<div style="font-style:italic">OK now price @$519 vs $850 for vapor that $300 difference?? so yes cheaper unless you know where I can get a vapor for $600? and is there anyone out there that has tryed this ???<br />
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</div>If your willing to spend just $200 more you can get a custom Phase unit built to order that will cool better than or at least equal to the LS.<br />
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For 200 bones you can guarantee your chip will never see temps above -25c...and more than likely never below -33c not a bad investment since you will have to condensation proof with either of these solutions.
 

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You could prob get a slush box for around $300 if you go with older used water blocks (which will work well).
 

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For the price... i think its far from worth it. You could build your own similar setup for much cheaper, or hell spend another $100 and get phase. Which will outperform that setup by about 70c....lol
 

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I have seen setups in the posts on the dangerden site that run the pictured setup; a 370w pelt @ 18v, and see temps @ 0-1c. I have put serious thought into one. TEC's can have longer "service lives" than compressor based units, and are far simpler to setup, and require no service. Another kit is also available for the GPU. Temps as posted on a 7900gt per dangerden, were -25c. These 2 kits would give you "phase like" performance, on both cpu and gpu.....whats retail on a double phase setup run?
 

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How does it work?
 

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TEC + Thermal Electric Cooler<br />
When DC voltage is applied through the element, a natural 'migration' of energy occurs, drawing heat TO one side {-}, and releasing it from the other {+}. The amount of voltage applied will provide the tempurature. A 300+Watt TEC can often reach temps around 5c. <br />
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*The TEC keeps the cpu ice cold, transferring the heat exchanged into the water system, which then gets 'radiated' out.-> you dig?
 

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My only thought of this is, you can build it cheaper and get the same or similar results!<br />
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MY WC setup cost me about $150, a 430watt TEC is about $45, and then an additional psu, well i ahve one laying around from past builds, as does most poeple here <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /><br />
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Total cost for a custom TEC system, about $200... Give or take say $50?
 

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Agreed...unfortunately, pre-manufactured works good for people like me who would like to waste their time playing with "it", rather than building "it". A new rig...case mod...water block...ok, but not custom mounting TEC's into water blocks..let alone testing them...yuk. I just want one that wurks already...bugs fixed. Thats worth extra $$ to me.
 

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The kit is great for use if you don't have anything at all and you need a start. The downside is the peltier module used is the 226 Watt variety and will not cope with the heat generated by today's overclocked processors. I use that block and with the 226 Watter installed and powered accordingly with a very capable water cooling system load temps vary from around 11C to 35C depending on Vcroe used and also the processor used. I have since modded the block to suit the larger variety 437 Watt module and now load temps are below 0 degrees C also depending on how cold I want to go according to V used. <br />
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I will be interested to see how the 226 watt modules do cope with the C2D variety as they claim to run cooler but from what we have seen over the past little while- some run hot and some run cool. I am unsure if it is user error installing the cooler to the new chips but somebody needs to experiment with this.<br />
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The best way to do this kind of extreme cooling is not buy a kit and build as much as you can yourself. It will be much cheaper and will work more efficiently. You will also learn more this way<img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;"><a href="http://www.overclock.net/attachment.php?s=edfa2901aee51764544b403423630948&attachmentid=32967" target="_blank" title="">Attachment 32967</a><br><br>
Just wanted to know if anyone has used this and just how it pairs up tp Vapor?<br><br><a href="http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-wat-57.html?id=NF4Vjwiv" target="_blank">http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-wat-57.html?id=NF4Vjwiv</a></div>
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Expensive...!<br><br>
The jury is out on the capabilities of a 226W peltier for the conroe..(someones needs to do this).<br><br>
I run a 226W peltier being driven at +12V on a 3700+Sandiego with a clock speed of 2.80GHz on 1.5Vcore cooled by a very capable water setup, granted I run in some very high ambient temperatures with medium to high relative hummidity.<br><br>
At 100% the CPU temperature normally ranges up to 31C but the core temperature will hit a high of 42C.<br><br>
Some summations are that I still have only 12v being applied to a 15v device so my effective power rating of 226W is by no means being achieved (something I intend to resolve shortly).<br>
Even with the increase in capacity I still feel that the 100% load temperatures will still in my case be high, I expect to see somewhere around 19 to 21 for the CPU and a core temprature unkown.<br><br>
The 226w unit just does not have the capacity to cope with the CPU's and peltiers energy load and bring with it sub-zero temperatures.<br>
This is something I was aware of at the onset of my little project but since my objective was to maintain a decent overclock with acceptable temperatures in my adverse enviromental conditions, I am pleased with the result. As I stated this will improve once the capacity of the peltier is raised by supplying it with closer to +15v.<br><br>
As I am unaware of any 437W pre-configured setup's in the market place you look to be stuck with the DIY avenue...<br>
As for comparing it with the performance of a phase change setup it is not in the race <b>but</b> they really run in seperate races anyway. A bit like comparing apples to oranges.<br><br><br>
A cheaper 226W configured setup can be had and would be a nice thread on it's effective performance with the Conroe, even if sub-zero load temperatures are not a reality.
 

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Like they ^^^ said, you can build it for <i>much</i> cheaper, while achieving better temperatures. While I will admit modding a block to fit a 437w peltier would be a daunting task, if you're set on going TEC, it's pretty much inevitable unless you can get lucky and buy one. <br />
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That being said, depending on what you are trying to achieve, the 226w peltier may be all you need. A lot of A64's have the cold bug in one way or another... Tuchan has more experience in that regard, as I've only worked with 2 chips, and neither see any advancement in speed whether they're frozen or running normal temps.<br />
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I'd like to think that my TEC system is pretty much "optimum" (not trying to gloat, I was just lucky enough to grab an Arctic Web when they were still for sale). It's got a 437w Qmax peltier unit, a huge waterblock, a high-flow water pump, and a huge radiator with a ton of air flowing through it. The best temps I've been able to achieve is -25°C idle and -5°C or so full load (core temps). You would probably get lower temps with phase, but it's obviously <i>much</i> more expensive. I'm not sure if going any lower would have much of an effect on the speed, anyway.
 

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</div>Pretty much sums it up for me right there. Also, I would like to pelt both my gpu and cpu....this would be harsh on the pocketbook if I were to go phase.<br />
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*any one ever seen posts of a 'full pelt system'? cpu,gpu,nb?
 
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