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OIC, thanks.

btw, US$10 for a x470 chipset, am wondering if we can swap out the x370 (218-0891007) and replace with a x470 (218-0891008) and be done with?

one of buying link 全新原装 218-0891005 218-0891009 218-0891008 BGA封装 现货-淘宝网
Yep, you could with the proper soldering tools.
Which include:
-Soldering air station.
-Soldering iron.
-Flux
-Stencil to reball the chipset, if not reballed.
-Fine soldering balls powder, used to reball the chipset.
-Soldering wick, to clean the pcb pads, before soldering the new chipset.

It is worth the hassle, if you are a simple user, hell no.
It is worth the hassle, if you are a tester and power user, hell yes.
 

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Yep, you could with the proper soldering tools.
Which include:
-Soldering air station.
-Soldering iron.
-Flux
-Stencil to reball the chipset, if not reballed.
-Fine soldering balls powder, used to reball the chipset.
-Soldering wick, to clean the pcb pads, before soldering the new chipset.

It is worth the hassle, if you are a simple user, hell no.
It is worth the hassle, if you are a tester and power user, hell yes.
The seller says it comes reballed, which is good to hear.

But one tiny obstacle, the mesh/net/metal sheet to reball is not available for sale. The seller says because this chip is not regular spareparts type of chip, usually no one redo them and hence no one reball them.

Hence soldering the x470 is critical for one take only, else remove to adjust position might be troublesome.

I'm a simple user, hence NO I should not do it, but why I'm asking? because I want StoreMI :cry::cry::cry:
 

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The seller says it comes reballed, which is good to hear.

But one tiny obstacle, the mesh/net/metal sheet to reball is not available for sale. The seller says because this chip is not regular spareparts type of chip, usually no one redo them and hence no one reball them.

Hence soldering the x470 is critical for one take only, else remove to adjust position might be troublesome.

I'm a simple user, hence NO I should not do it, but why I'm asking? because I want StoreMI :cry::cry::cry:
The seller is lying to you about the reballing part, but i would agree with him, tho, for the part that nobody do this!

When i can't find the exact reballing stencil for a particular chip, i use a general stencil, with the same ball pitch and ball spacing.
It is a bit more annoying, to get the balls as good as you wanted them, but it is doable and works well in general.
So you must ask the seller the X470 chipset ball pitch and spacing, to get a general stencil, with the same specs.

So you answered correctly to your question, it is not worth if you are not people like me, that do repairs or review things. :)
 

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The seller is lying to you about the reballing part, but i would agree with him, tho, for the part that nobody do this!

So you must ask the seller the X470 chipset ball pitch and spacing, to get a general stencil, with the same specs.
Yeah, can't trust seller easily,
Good idea on the general stencil spacing picth,
then suddenly I bump into aliexpress found the mesh/net for reballing... US$15 I think.... 12.5US $ |Direct heating 80*80 90*90 218 0891003 218 0891004 218 0891005 218 0891007 218 0891005 00 218 0891011 218 0891014 BGA Stencil|Replacement Parts & Accessories| - AliExpress

but I don't have confidence in my solder skills..... so ..... just dreaming.
 

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2133 is extremely hard
I didn't say such thing.

2000 you should be able to run, if you are not on SMU 56.34, which has an 1900 FLCK lock (AGESA 1.1.0.0 Patch-C/D)
This lock is inside the Agesa Bootloader

But you will not run anything above 1900 FCLK, WHEA 19 free, as such is a sensor/hardware issue
It is nothing FCLK preventing
But it is an issue that causes DPC calls, by the wrong error spam

For such WHEA Surpressor by ManniX-ITA exists here on OCN
If you ever feed 1.5v SOC into your sample, it would be dead
1.3v is the highest limit, but it makes nonsense to exceed 1.25v

VDDG IOD highest limit is 1.2v, but i would feel permanent damage above 1.15v
VDDG CCD & IOD are technically load & current balanced, but for this i would not like to exceed 1.05v. Beyond 1.1v is stupid and can damage the CCDs
cLDO_VDDP belongs only to MCLK and needs a push if you go 2:1 mode or run 4x 16gb or higher capacity
It has no direct connection to FCLK & no need to ever exceed 900mV

1.8v VDD rail, is what has subtle connection to FCLK
But 1.83v is already plenty
(bump to 1.86/1.93 is needed for 2100, but this depends on many factors of memory ~ such as procODT)

I doubt you read the AMD Maximum VoltagePost, nor that you pushed anything beyond 1.1v, as people spread fear about it
Thank you for all the info+input, It's an interesting reading.

Sadly, our mobo BIOS is still "stuck" to SMU56.30.0 (or something), so I guess there are some limitations to what we (I, at least) can achieve.

Still, there's a ton of useful material here.
 

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Just for fun I compare, we nearly could swap a B550 chipset and run all the PCIe2 into gen3. hahahahah

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provides a better picture of x470 chipset = https://dfi.ua/mikroshemy/ati/mikroshema-ati-218-0891008-amd-x470-dlya-materinskoj-platy.html
You could, you could.
A little reminder for you, the X370/X470/X570 chipsets are nothing less, than literally the same I/O die, you would find inside a Ryzen cpu.
You could also run Ryzen cpu without the chipset, but you must add a special chip, that tell the cpu to run as a standalone SOC, without the chipset.
So you could do whatever you want, swapping chipset, removing the chipset, it doesn't absolutely matter.

If you want really try this out, open a new thread about the project.
If you replace the hot-air soldering station with a heat-gun, you would still be able to replace the chipset quite easily.
You would still need all the other parts i listed to you, in my previous post, and a lot of broken motherboards, to do the adequate training beforehand.
There is almost no components around the AMD chipset, so it would be an easy area to work on, since you would be stressed by damaging the small components around.

Still, to be honest, i would leave this stuff to the Chinese dudes, aside you really want to start a business, upgrading X370 motherboards. :ROFLMAO:;)
 

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Since the WHEA error issue persists, here's a link to my current settings, WHEA free.

I hope you'll find it helpful.

I don't know if it's relevant, my 5600X is a dual ccd part.


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I wish my 5900x was like yours.When i go above 3200/1600 WHEA 19 occurred.I have very bad hynix modules mix low quality b-dies.Any other user with 5900x or 5800x without WHEA errors?Also i have coil wine sounds from VRM top when i set default voltage on dimms and testing cinebench losing 600 points to 8000 from default 3200 setting getting 8600 without coilwine.So i reduce CLDO VDDP/ VDDG CCD value to 0.87-.0.90 and VDDG IOD 0.95.Soc 1.035V to reduce the coilwine noise with those values i have managed to run them (lpx3333) to 3333/3466/3600 with WHEA errors but no coilwine but i lose on cinebench from errors.
 

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I was an early Ryzen adopter when I had to build a new PC as my old Phenom II was not compatible with the Oculus Rift so I built a Ryzen 1600 system and chose the Asrock X370 Taichi Motherboard for my build.
I hoped to upgrade my CPU last year and paid for a second hand 3700x but was ripped off and the person I paid never sent me the processor and I could not justify paying again doubling my cost for another one and was looking forward to Zen 3 processors and followed the news about them where I heard AMD was not going to support them on X370 motherboards like mine, and I can't justify buying a 500 series chipset board when its the last Zen 3 is the last generation to use the AM4 socket.
Then I heard about this Alpha BIOS that claimed to support the Ryzen 5000 processors on my £x70 Taichi motherboard, there was very other information about it at the time, then I found a few forums where it was discussed, I hoped to see a video of it being put to the test by any of the popular computer hardware and tuning youtubers but found nothing.
I decided I wanted to give this BIOS a try, completely skipping Zen 2 as Zen 3 is better by far, The Ryzen 5600x was around the budget I wanted to spend but after much searching I couldn't find anywhere who had it in stock then I saw Currys PC World had the Ryzen 5800x at a fairer price then many retailers selling Ryzen5000's at scalpers prices, I heard mixed comments about the 5800x, mainly how much more expensive it is per core compared to the 5600x and the 5900x, I couldn't stretch to the 5900x so ordered the 5800x, which I collected at the weekend.
I updated the BIOS of my X370 Taichi, powered off and replaced my old Ryzen 1600 with the 5800x, and powerd back on and have been testing and tweaking the settings over the last few days and I'm so glad this BIOS has enabled me to upgrade to the 5800x without having to replace my motherboard, many thanks to who created and shared it.
I previously upgraded my memory last year to go with the Ryzen 3700x which I never received to 16GB (2x8GB) Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 3600Mhz C16 memory which is Samsung B-die memory, My Ryzen 1600 got very close to running the memory at this speed but first gen Ryzens struggled with higher memory speeds, with the 5800x I have the same memory running at 4000Mhz and the X370 Taichi Infinity Fabric running at 2000Mhz.
I haven't tried to any overclocking yet, only a little fine tuning and refining settings to hopefully get the processor to use maximum boost and to run at boost frequency for longer, have run a few Cinebench R20 benchmarks and happy with scoring 5954 all cores and 627 single core.
There are two things that I noticed after updating to this BIOS and using the Ryzen 5800x in My X370 Taichi and they are that Ryzen Master no longer works and neither does the Asrock AI Tuning utility, Ryzen Master reports an unsupported processor and the Asrock AI Tuning utility reports it is not for this platform so I have been refining settings in the BIOS.
I hope this helps anyone who maybe considering upgrading their X370 Taichi with the P6.61 BIOS so they can also upgrade to a Ryzen 5000 processor.
Hey, appreciate your post on using your X370 Taichi with your new 5800x. Have you experienced any new issues down the line anywhere? I just got a 3080 and next up to replace is my Ryzen 7 1700. Really don't want to completely rebuild my system nor do I want to buy an X570 so being able to continue using my Taichi would be preferable if I pull the trigger on a 5800x. Have you had any new stability issues, crashes, strange problems etc. since your post?
 

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Hey, appreciate your post on using your X370 Taichi with your new 5800x. Have you experienced any new issues down the line anywhere? I just got a 3080 and next up to replace is my Ryzen 7 1700. Really don't want to completely rebuild my system nor do I want to buy an X570 so being able to continue using my Taichi would be preferable if I pull the trigger on a 5800x. Have you had any new stability issues, crashes, strange problems etc. since your post?
Just so you are aware: Your new video card (RTX 3080) is a PCI-Express 4.0 product. If you continue to stay on the X370 Taichi it will down-grade your card to PCI-Express 3.0 and not allow you to see the full speed of the new card. Installing a Ryzen 5000 series processor will not upgrade your X370 motherboard to PCI-Express 4.0 speeds. Some people reviewing things say it doesn't make that much of a difference but I just thought you would want to know anyway. The newer motherboards based on the 500-series chipsets from AMD are the only way to get access to PCI-Express 4.0 and remain with AMD right now.
 

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You can try yourself to see how it goes, but for sure, you will be memory frequency, FCLK limited on the Taichi, alongside a 5800x.

You can check if the performances are enough for you with the Taichi first, if not, swap board and invest in a new B550/X570 board.
 

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Just so you are aware: Your new video card (RTX 3080) is a PCI-Express 4.0 product. If you continue to stay on the X370 Taichi it will down-grade your card to PCI-Express 3.0 and not allow you to see the full speed of the new card. Installing a Ryzen 5000 series processor will not upgrade your X370 motherboard to PCI-Express 4.0 speeds. Some people reviewing things say it doesn't make that much of a difference but I just thought you would want to know anyway. The newer motherboards based on the 500-series chipsets from AMD are the only way to get access to PCI-Express 4.0 and remain with AMD right now.
Yeah, I'm aware of that issue. I had read up a bit on it beforehand and most noted a negligible difference including Gamers Nexus' tests. In my own testing so far, all is well. Performance is as expected i.e. very good for my uses.

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You can try yourself to see how it goes, but for sure, you will be memory frequency, FCLK limited on the Taichi, alongside a 5800x.

You can check if the performances are enough for you with the Taichi first, if not, swap board and invest in a new B550/X570 board.
Thank you. I already had a Gigabyte Aorus Ultra x570 in my possession but had to return it because it was part of a bundle and I wasn't able to utilize the other item. I might buy another one but the prices are so ludicrous that it makes it hard to pull the trigger especially when I'm buying a new cpu too. I really do need to opt for a x570 because of the stuff I have in my case. I don't think any of the B550s will do.
 

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Yeah, I'm aware of that issue. I had read up a bit on it beforehand and most noted a negligible difference including Gamers Nexus' tests. In my own testing so far, all is well. Performance is as expected i.e. very good for my uses.


Thank you. I already had a Gigabyte Aorus Ultra x570 in my possession but had to return it because it was part of a bundle and I wasn't able to utilize the other item. I might buy another one but the prices are so ludicrous that it makes it hard to pull the trigger especially when I'm buying a new cpu too. I really do need to opt for a x570 because of the stuff I have in my case. I don't think any of the B550s will do.
I know, a good motherboard with decent features and good power delivery capabilities, is outrageously expensive, on both AMD and Intel sides.

The best i can advise in this case, is to get a brand new 5800X, check if the silicon quality is decent on the Taichi.
When you found a good 5800X, that suit you, begin to look for a good second hand X570 board.
Keep the Taichi, old system as spare, troubleshooting rig.
 

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Gigabyte adds support for zen3 on A320 agesa 1.2.0.3,lets see what Asrock will give

 

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Gigabyte adds support for zen3 on A320 agesa 1.2.0.3,lets see what Asrock will give

It's very interesting that it's using the latest agesa, so either gigabyte figured out how to bypass the amd lock or amd itself changed their mind?
 

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I have crossflashed to x470 getting same 4d error with Zen3 5900x on x470 4.76,i could not wait and i got my old 2600x from my cousin build.The strange thing is that with the new beta x470 4.76 now the xmp profiles are working on 2600x and i could set 3333cl16 on my 4 dimms as always.Its the only version that is working above 4.20 ,on 4.60 and above its was broken so Asrock made something on this final beta.When i saw zen+ working on xmp 3333 i was too excided,and i hoped from Gigabyte a320 agesa 1.2.0.3 was unlock and i forgot to save the sceen shoot.So gigabyte made their own stuff in this A320 bios releases its not unlocked on agesa side.
 

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I have crossflashed to x470 getting same 4d error with Zen3 5900x on x470 4.76,i could not wait and i got my old 2600x from my cousin build.The strange thing is that with the new beta x470 4.76 now the xmp profiles are working on 2600x and i could set 3333cl16 on my 4 dimms as always.Its the only version that is working above 4.20 ,on 4.60 and above its was broken so Asrock made something on this final beta.When i saw zen+ working on xmp 3333 i was too excided,and i hoped from Gigabyte a320 agesa 1.2.0.3 was unlock and i forgot to save the sceen shoot.So gigabyte made their own stuff in this A320 bios releases its not unlocked on agesa side.
From what i could find at the AMI bios error section, it seems ram related.
The Asrock manual only cite few of them, which correspond to the AMI AptioV bios errors codes.
It seems that 4D is reserved for OEM post memory initialisation codes, i also found users threads, having issues with the 4D code and the ram led lit.

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