[kithylin]

How to properly full clear CMOS on this board?
Could someone describe the entire procedure?
Once I read on the official Asrock forum about it but I can't find it right now.
I remember there was something about removing the battery, pins, disconnecting the power cord and pressing & holding the power button for 30 sec.

Read the manual. There is no need to disconnect power or remove the battery. Just short the cmos reset pins with the computer shut down / turned off for about 5 seconds and that does it. This is the same procedure for 99% of all motherboards made in the past 15 years.

EDIT: Here's an image with the location highlighted for you:

 

[DukeHighwalker]

Typically shorting the CMOS clear pins with the system powered off is all you need to do yes. The only time you need to pull the battery, disconnect power and discharge the caps (press and hold power button) is usually when there is a corrupted value in the RTC or other data that is not cleared by the CMOS clear jumper. You will note that your date and time data are kept when you clear CMOS. If the system is POSTing then there is typically no need to do a "full clear". It won't hurt anything but is a waste of time. If a regular clear fails to get you POSTing then by all means try the other method, it sometimes brings a system back to life.

 

[garych]

Finally decided to flash from 7.10 back to 7.04, flashrom under MS-DOS was easy and worked flawlessly, loved it 🥰

 

[garych]

Looks like flashing back to 7.04 didn't make my RAM more stable when using lower voltage, like it was prior to going to 7.10.
Oh, well, it doesn't really matter now. I just upped the voltage a bit more than it was even on 7.10 and going to sleep well.

 

[freestaler]

Does anyone has an idea, if its possible to mod the bios for fullcbs, pbo2, co and some stuff for the 5800x3d? For msi i did see some bios i this forum linked, from side of amd i should be possible. But be honest, last time i did mod a bios was around 2002. And this was with an example from a older ami bios. Maybe someone has some information for asrock taichi, maybe just about to tools and actually stuff.

 

[kithylin]

Does anyone has an idea, if its possible to mod the bios for fullcbs, pbo2, co and some stuff for the 5800x3d? For msi i did see some bios i this forum linked, from side of amd i should be possible. But be honest, last time i did mod a bios was around 2002. And this was with an example from a older ami bios. Maybe someone has some information for asrock taichi, maybe just about to tools and actually stuff.

5800X3D is not overclockable at all on any motherboard.

 

[Apisto]

Hello All. Using my x370 Taichi, I plan on moving up from a Ryzen 1700 to a 5700x or a 5900x. I do a mixture of gaming, productivity and content creation/rendering tasks. My question is regarding memory. I currently have 2x16GB of G.Skill F4-2400c15-16GFXR. I have tried to research how much diffrence a memory upgrade would make with Ryzen 5000. The information I have found seems conflicting about much difference there is. Some discussions/tests lead me to believe there could be a significant (10% or more) diffrence, others seem to show little difference. How much difference would a roughly $100 spend make vs a $200 spend vs just keeping what I have?

Example kits I am considering:

F4-3600C16D-32GVKC for $135

F4-3600C16D-32GTZN for $230

While I am somewhat unlikely to spend over $200 on replacement ram, it is still helpful to understand what to expect from the different cost/performance tiers.

Thanks in advance to anyone who helps!

 

[kithylin]

Hello All. Using my x370 Taichi, I plan on moving up from a Ryzen 1700 to a 5700x or a 5900x. I do a mixture of gaming, productivity and content creation/rendering tasks. My question is regarding memory. I currently have 2x16GB of G.Skill F4-2400c15-16GFXR. I have tried to research how much diffrence a memory upgrade would make with Ryzen 5000. The information I have found seems conflicting about much difference there is. Some discussions/tests lead me to believe there could be a significant (10% or more) diffrence, others seem to show little difference. How much difference would a roughly $100 spend make vs a $200 spend vs just keeping what I have?

Example kits I am considering:

F4-3600C16D-32GVKC for $135

F4-3600C16D-32GTZN for $230

While I am somewhat unlikely to spend over $200 on replacement ram, it is still helpful to understand what to expect from the different cost/performance tiers.

Thanks in advance to anyone who helps!

That's a difficult question to answer. I can try to shed some light on it for you from what I know from my own personal experience. The main one being: You might not get even 3600 Mhz ram to work in the X370 Taichi even with a 5000 series processor and faster ram. The X370 Taichi is going to run slower ram speed in general compared to say an X570 or even X470 system. Also latency matters a lot as well as capacity. Your current ram is clocked at latency of 15-15-15. If you upgraded to say the F4-3600C16D-32GVKC kit then yes it would be 3600 Mhz but then you would increase the latency to 16-19-19 so your net gain of ram performance increase would be small or you may not see any increase in performance at all if you increased speed but with slow latency. You want to try to increase the speed but keep the same latency you have now or go faster (smaller number) in latency if possible. Also you should know about capacity. Higher capacity ram is going to reduce your possibility of running faster ram clocks with AMD. A 32GB (2x16) kit of ram may not run at 3600 mhz with any AMD 5000 series processor in any motherboard.

Here's a good option for you: Are you a human?

32GB (2x16), Timings are faster than your ram at 14-14-14 (vs your 15-15-15), and it's only $199.99, which is right about where you wanted to pay. This is also right about the "sweet spot" in terms of compatibility that would most likely work in the X370 Taichi and a 5000 series chip. This would probably have a decent increase in performance at least +10% or a little more depending on the workload. For scenarios where you load the CPU to 100% on all cores and threads faster ram would be far more noticeable than light loads like gaming.

HP branded ram is kind of an "unknown" and if you would rather stick to name-brand ram here's a G.Skill kit of 3200, 32GB, 14-14-14 ram that's $209: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071VRMFDQ?linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

3200 Mhz CL-14 ram is generally considered the "sweet spot" in performance for the AMD 5000 series chips in all platforms.

 

[valerianf]

I got some bios issue when using an add-on PCIe Raid controller card.
With some bios (i.e.: 7.00) I do not see the bios from the Raid card before the ASRock bios shows up.
Bios 6.40 was showing it properly.
Is there a workaround?

 

[kithylin]

I got some bios issue when using an add-on PCIe Raid controller card.
With some bios (i.e.: 7.00) I do not see the bios from the Raid card before the ASRock bios shows up.
Bios 6.40 was showing it properly.
Is there a workaround?

Yes: Make sure the bios is in CSM mode / UEFI disabled and the raid card should show up.

 

[Apisto]

That's a difficult question to answer. I can try to shed some light on it for you from what I know from my own personal experience. The main one being: You might not get even 3600 Mhz ram to work in the X370 Taichi even with a 5000 series processor and faster ram. The X370 Taichi is going to run slower ram speed in general compared to say an X570 or even X470 system. Also latency matters a lot as well as capacity. Your current ram is clocked at latency of 15-15-15. If you upgraded to say the F4-3600C16D-32GVKC kit then yes it would be 3600 Mhz but then you would increase the latency to 16-19-19 so your net gain of ram performance increase would be small or you may not see any increase in performance at all if you increased speed but with slow latency. You want to try to increase the speed but keep the same latency you have now or go faster (smaller number) in latency if possible. Also you should know about capacity. Higher capacity ram is going to reduce your possibility of running faster ram clocks with AMD. A 32GB (2x16) kit of ram may not run at 3600 mhz with any AMD 5000 series processor in any motherboard.

Here's a good option for you: Are you a human?

32GB (2x16), Timings are faster than your ram at 14-14-14 (vs your 15-15-15), and it's only $199.99, which is right about where you wanted to pay. This is also right about the "sweet spot" in terms of compatibility that would most likely work in the X370 Taichi and a 5000 series chip. This would probably have a decent increase in performance at least +10% or a little more depending on the workload. For scenarios where you load the CPU to 100% on all cores and threads faster ram would be far more noticeable than light loads like gaming.

HP branded ram is kind of an "unknown" and if you would rather stick to name-brand ram here's a G.Skill kit of 3200, 32GB, 14-14-14 ram that's $209: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071VRMFDQ?linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

3200 Mhz CL-14 ram is generally considered the "sweet spot" in performance for the AMD 5000 series chips in all platforms.

Thank you so much for the great information! I will have to ponder the options further. I tend to over analyze purchasing decisions.

 

[kithylin]

Thank you so much for the great information! I will have to ponder the options further. I tend to over analyze purchasing decisions.

I over-analyze things myself too. I thought I would provide another data point for you. It might help you or it might not, but I'll share anyway: On my Ryzen 5000 series system I have a 5800X with 16GB (2x8GB) ram and it runs at 3800 Mhz in an X570 motherboard with timings of 14-16-14. If you search around online looking at timings no one sells a ram kit rated for 3800 Mhz with CL-14 timings. The only way I managed to do this was to buy a 4400 Mhz ram kit, drop it down to 3800 Mhz and tune the timings manually. This sort of thing is very much an "advanced user" type of thing. If you don't really want to learn the deep and intricate details of Ryzen ram timings then something like the 3200-CL14 kits I linked above are more of a "Set it and forget it" thing that you should be able to load a profile in BIOS and just F10 and go and expect it to work.

 

[freestaler]

5800X3D is not overclockable at all on any motherboard.

I looking for option like CO in Bios..

Otherboards has this possibility:

• Unlocked PBO for 5800X3D
  PBO Limits and CO should work

[Sammelthread] - ASUS X570 Strix Series (X570-E Gaming, X570-E Gaming Wifi II, X570-F Gaming, X570-I Gaming)

ROG Strix X570-E Gaming ROG Strix X570-E Gaming Wifi II ROG Strix X570-F Gaming ROG Strix X570-I Gaming BIOS/UEFI Versionen Reviews & VRM Häufig gestellte Fragen BIOS Mods Changelog Download Flashing and using on your own risk! Added VDDP Voltage Might be helpful for CPU...

www.hardwareluxx.de

 

[kithylin]

I looking for option like CO in Bios..

Otherboards has this possibility:

• Unlocked PBO for 5800X3D
  PBO Limits and CO should work

[Sammelthread] - ASUS X570 Strix Series (X570-E Gaming, X570-E Gaming Wifi II, X570-F Gaming, X570-I Gaming)

ROG Strix X570-E Gaming ROG Strix X570-E Gaming Wifi II ROG Strix X570-F Gaming ROG Strix X570-I Gaming BIOS/UEFI Versionen Reviews & VRM Häufig gestellte Fragen BIOS Mods Changelog Download Flashing and using on your own risk! Added VDDP Voltage Might be helpful for CPU...

www.hardwareluxx.de

That's a modified bios with many options changed by someone from the internet. What I wrote above and where you quoted me is still true: "Out of the box" and without modifications no motherboards can overclock the 5800X3D.

 

[Apisto]

I over-analyze things myself too. I thought I would provide another data point for you. It might help you or it might not, but I'll share anyway: On my Ryzen 5000 series system I have a 5800X with 16GB (2x8GB) ram and it runs at 3800 Mhz in an X570 motherboard with timings of 14-16-14. If you search around online looking at timings no one sells a ram kit rated for 3800 Mhz with CL-14 timings. The only way I managed to do this was to buy a 4400 Mhz ram kit, drop it down to 3800 Mhz and tune the timings manually. This sort of thing is very much an "advanced user" type of thing. If you don't really want to learn the deep and intricate details of Ryzen ram timings then something like the 3200-CL14 kits I linked above are more of a "Set it and forget it" thing that you should be able to load a profile in BIOS and just F10 and go and expect it to work.

Thanks for the addition information. If I get new memory, yes, I will probably get "set and forget" memory, or at least something that will not require extensive or expert dialing in. I have decided to defer the memory decision and change one variable at a time by first tinkering with my new 5900x. I realize that if I do change the memory I may well have to re dial in BIOS settings besides just memory settings. Going from a 1700 to 5900x (I also upgraded from the 1700 box cooler to a Scythe Fuma 2 rev b.), the power and heat considerations are definitely different! I am having fun tinkering with the curve optimizer, PPT, EDC, TDC, Temp Limit in BIOS and what not. With any new processor, I generally aim for "Stock-ish" performance at lower heat and power draw.

 

[kithylin]

Thanks for the addition information. If I get new memory, yes, I will probably get "set and forget" memory, or at least something that will not require extensive or expert dialing in. I have decided to defer the memory decision and change one variable at a time by first tinkering with my new 5900x. I realize that if I do change the memory I may well have to re dial in BIOS settings besides just memory settings. Going from a 1700 to 5900x (I also upgraded from the 1700 box cooler to a Scythe Fuma 2 rev b.), the power and heat considerations are definitely different! I am having fun tinkering with the curve optimizer, PPT, EDC, TDC, Temp Limit in BIOS and what not. With any new processor, I generally aim for "Stock-ish" performance at lower heat and power draw.

Remember to try and reduce the stock voltage too. If you want suggestions I can boot up my X370 Taichi system and make a small tutorial on how to do that. AMD's defaults for voltages for the 5000 series (on all systems, not just the X370 Taichi) usually default to stupidly high voltages that aren't necessary, produce extra heat, make extra power draw, and thus limit boosting for no real reason. On my 5800X system for example AMD default to have it running at 1.45v out of the box.. (!) I have it manually set to 1.325v and it runs a lot cooler in general and boosts higher. Every CPU is different and yours may take less or more volts and work fine.

 

[Apisto]

Remember to try and reduce the stock voltage too. If you want suggestions I can boot up my X370 Taichi system and make a small tutorial on how to do that. AMD's defaults for voltages for the 5000 series (on all systems, not just the X370 Taichi) usually default to stupidly high voltages that aren't necessary, produce extra heat, make extra power draw, and thus limit boosting for no real reason. On my 5800X system for example AMD default to have it running at 1.45v out of the box.. (!) I have it manually set to 1.325v and it runs a lot cooler in general and boosts higher. Every CPU is different and yours may take less or more volts and work fine.

Good Point about the stock voltage. I have not manually adjusted the stock voltage, but I have changed the following settings already:

PPT 135W
TDC 90W
EDC 100W
Max Temp in Bios: 80 (I may adjust this back up at some point)

Do the above settings also affect stock voltage? I don't want to end up in a situation where I get the stock voltage to low because I manually lower stock voltage and then lowering the above settings also lower it. Should it be helpful here are some voltage readings from the middle of a Prime95 Large FFT w/avx2 run that is going as I type this.

Thanks for the offer of a tutorial. Is there intricacy involved here, or is it just a "walk down the voltage until things get unstable and then give it a tiny bump back up" situation?

 

[kithylin]

Good Point about the stock voltage. I have not manually adjusted the stock voltage, but I have changed the following settings already:

PPT 135W
TDC 90W
EDC 100W
Max Temp in Bios: 80 (I may adjust this back up at some point)

Do the above settings also affect stock voltage? I don't want to end up in a situation where I get the stock voltage to low because I manually lower stock voltage and then lowering the above settings also lower it. Should it be helpful here are some voltage readings from the middle of a Prime95 Large FFT w/avx2 run that is going as I type this.

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Thanks for the offer of a tutorial. Is there intricacy involved here, or is it just a "walk down the voltage until things get unstable and then give it a tiny bump back up" situation?

As far as I'm aware (I might be wrong) the EDC, TDC wattages, etc do not effect voltage and the settings are different from each other. Also there is no danger to setting any of the wattages too high. The CPU isn't going to suddenly pull 500 watts if you set TDC or EDC to 500W for example. The CPU is only ever going to pull the power it will pull. Those TDC/EDC settings are only an artificial limit to it's performance and nothing more. I run with all of the wattage settings set to 1000W on my 5800X system for example. Even with all of those wattage settings "maxed out" on my system my entire computer only ever pulls 500-520 watts AC power draw from the wall when gaming. And that's the entire system, including both pumps, all 24 fans at 30%, etc.

And for your question about voltage: You pretty much nailed it already. I usually set LLC / Load-Line Calibration to "1" so the voltage doesn't change around and then go down in voltage until I see instability then go up +2 settings in bios and play with it a while like that. After say.. a week or two of daily usage if I don't see any more errors or instability I start dropping load-line calibration to like 2, or 3, or 4 to let the voltage drop when the system is idle for reduced idle power usage but just 1 setting at a time.

 

[Apisto]

As far as I'm aware (I might be wrong) the EDC, TDC wattages, etc do not effect voltage and the settings are different from each other. Also there is no danger to setting any of the wattages too high. The CPU isn't going to suddenly pull 500 watts if you set TDC or EDC to 500W for example. The CPU is only ever going to pull the power it will pull. Those TDC/EDC settings are only an artificial limit to it's performance and nothing more. I run with all of the wattage settings set to 1000W on my 5800X system for example. Even with all of those wattage settings "maxed out" on my system my entire computer only ever pulls 500-520 watts AC power draw from the wall when gaming. And that's the entire system, including both pumps, all 24 fans at 30%, etc.

And for your question about voltage: You pretty much nailed it already. I usually set LLC / Load-Line Calibration to "1" so the voltage doesn't change around and then go down in voltage until I see instability then go up +2 settings in bios and play with it a while like that. After say.. a week or two of daily usage if I don't see any more errors or instability I start dropping load-line calibration to like 2, or 3, or 4 to let the voltage drop when the system is idle for reduced idle power usage but just 1 setting at a time.

Got it, thank you. After getting voltage and LLC dialed in, do you mess with PBO and the curve optimizer? If you don't, do you set PBO to Auto or disabled?

 

[kithylin]

Got it, thank you. After getting voltage and LLC dialed in, do you mess with PBO and the curve optimizer? If you don't, do you set PBO to Auto or disabled?

Well.. I'm not really qualified to comment on PBO. And that's because I managed to buy a "Golden Sample" 5800X by some miracle. I don't have to tune PBO settings manually per core. Some how my 5800X just lets me slam all of the PBO settings for all 8 cores maxed out at the maximum setting and it runs and it's happy. I also set all of the boost settings in bios like "how much clock to boost when boosting" to the maximum settings (I think +200 Mhz) and it just runs. My 5800X does 5050 Mhz on 2 core loads, about 4850~4875 Mhz for 4 core loads, and 4600~4650 Mhz for all-core all-thread loads and it only needs 1.325v to be stable doing all this. I do understand that most 5000 series processors won't run like that. So I really have no idea how to manually tune PBO per core because I've never had to.. 😆

I do know however that running a manual all-core fixed clock on Ryzen 5000 series processors !! WILL DEGRADE THE PROCESSOR !! it happened to me. When I first got my chip I was running it at 4750 Mhz with a manual fixed clock and my chip degraded slightly in just 3 months and started becoming unstable in basic tasks like handbrake. Using PBO and letting it do it's boost thing is the safe way to go for long-term usage if you want your new chip to last 5+ years or more. Also running a manual all-core OC on 5000 series chips will suffer some game performance because the chips can boost higher in low-core-count loads vs what we could get in a manual OC. Like my chip can boost to 5050 Mhz for most games on PBO but if I ran a manual fixed clock OC it would of been only using 4700 Mhz. I know it's only 300 Mhz but I play a lot of older games, early access games, and indie games where optimization is crap so I really need that single and 2 core boost speed.