[MAMOLII]

Well.. I'm not really qualified to comment on PBO. And that's because I managed to buy a "Golden Sample" 5800X by some miracle. I don't have to tune PBO settings manually per core. Some how my 5800X just lets me slam all of the PBO settings for all 8 cores maxed out at the maximum setting and it runs and it's happy. I also set all of the boost settings in bios like "how much clock to boost when boosting" to the maximum settings (I think +200 Mhz) and it just runs. My 5800X does 5050 Mhz on 2 core loads, about 4850~4875 Mhz for 4 core loads, and 4600~4650 Mhz for all-core all-thread loads and it only needs 1.325v to be stable doing all this. I do understand that most 5000 series processors won't run like that. So I really have no idea how to manually tune PBO per core because I've never had to.. 😆

I do know however that running a manual all-core fixed clock on Ryzen 5000 series processors !! WILL DEGRADE THE PROCESSOR !! it happened to me. When I first got my chip I was running it at 4750 Mhz with a manual fixed clock and my chip degraded slightly in just 3 months and started becoming unstable in basic tasks like handbrake. Using PBO and letting it do it's boost thing is the safe way to go for long-term usage if you want your new chip to last 5+ years or more. Also running a manual all-core OC on 5000 series chips will suffer some game performance because the chips can boost higher in low-core-count loads vs what we could get in a manual OC. Like my chip can boost to 5050 Mhz for most games on PBO but if I ran a manual fixed clock OC it would of been only using 4700 Mhz. I know it's only 300 Mhz but I play a lot of older games, early access games, and indie games where optimization is crap so I really need that single and 2 core boost speed.

U degraded your CPU on All core oc because of your ego.. and the experience u have! If you had your vdroop at stock and if you had time to find your fit voltage at load first and then put the same load voltage at load with loadline calibration at default to avoid spikes nothing should happen no degrade at all.. don't stay at quartz crystal overclocking it's not useful today! U put the voltage like a newbie and loadline tight and voila degration...

 

[kithylin]

U degraded your CPU on All core oc because of your ego.. and the experience u have! If you had your vdroop at stock and if you had time to find your fit voltage at load first and then put the same load voltage at load with loadline calibration at default to avoid spikes nothing should happen no degrade at all.. don't stay at quartz crystal overclocking it's not useful today! U put the voltage like a newbie and loadline tight and voila degration...

Thank you for the insults but no that is not the case. I have been overclocking every computer I have owned since the 1980's. I have read many comments, guides, and youtube videos about overclocking Ryzen from other people on the internet. I am not a newbie to this and I know what I'm doing. All-Core overclocks on AMD Ryzen 5000-series processors degrades the processor if used that way as a "daily driver" over time. There is no way to avoid it. This is true on the X370 Taichi as well as any other motherboard. This is a unique thing to the 5000 series processors and does not effect other older Ryzen processors. Anyway that's not the right way to run the chips anyway as I described above: Manual all-core OC is going to sacrafice -200 to -400 Mhz compared to PBO with it's natural boosting anyway. Everyone should be using PBO and let it go. That's the safe way to use these chips for 5~10 years.

 

[sane?]

My question is, is there an easy way, under the ASRock BIOS, to set the frequency limit for the CCX to a higher number, whilst keeping PBO2 and Curve Optimiser working fine? I have a stable CO at -30 on most cores, but would like to see 5Ghz speeds on occasion - just to make me feel like the upgrade was worth it.

 

[LuciferX]

Sorry guys, not 100% oc related, but I want to know if I need anything specific Bios config related to upgrade my 1700 to 5700. My motherboard is the x370 pg but is basically the same as the Taichi

I’m in 6.2 version , should I go

6.2 > 7.00 (bridge beta) > 7.10

Then change my cpu? Is 7.10 still compatible with 1gen Ryzen?

My ram is 3000mhz (16x2) so, the only thing I should do is enabling xmp, not much tuning there.

In windows finally I will install the newest am4 chipset driver

Any strange behavior with x370 and 5700/5800 in stock settings?

Thanks


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[sane?]

Sorry guys, not 100% oc related, but I want to know if I need anything specific Bios config related to upgrade my 1700 to 5700. My motherboard is the x370 pg but is basically the same as the Taichi

I've done something similar recently (1700x to 5900x on x370 Taichi) so might be able to help.

I’m in 6.2 version , should I go

6.2 > 7.00 (bridge beta) > 7.10

Then change my cpu? Is 7.10 still compatible with 1gen Ryzen?

Yep, its just not compatible with the Ryzen 1+, 2000 series CPUs - so you should be fine. Just remember to copy down your settings, then reset to defaults and type them in again with the new BIOS version number.

My ram is 3000mhz (16x2) so, the only thing I should do is enabling xmp, not much tuning there.

Well .,.... Ryzen is heavily dependent on Infinity Fabric speed - so you are better off if you can push the memory Mhz via memory tuning. You'll have to relax other timings, but you should be able to push 3000Mhz to 3600Mhz at least. Also you might find you can add another 16GB to get 32GB via 4 DIMMS. Worked fine for me up to 3733Mhz.

Oh, and don't forget your Curve Optimiser and to answer my own question above (that nobody replied to), you can give a little CPU boost so it tops out above 5Ghz

In windows finally I will install the newest am4 chipset driver

Any strange behavior with x370 and 5700/5800 in stock settings?

Remember to set your Power settings in Window - it seems to make more difference than it did with Zen 1.

Other than that - its gone pretty smoothly for me.

 

[kithylin]

Yep, its just not compatible with the Ryzen 1+, 2000 series CPUs - so you should be fine. Just remember to copy down your settings, then reset to defaults and type them in again with the new BIOS version number.

I just wanted to note that this is not a good suggestion and probably won't work for most people. I updated the bios on my X370 Taichi and went from 6.2 -> 7.00 -> The latest (I think 7.1, I'd have to turn it on and look) the official beta bios for 5000 series support. None of the bios settings that I had for my Ryzen 5 2600 that were stable with bios 6.2 worked at all on the newer bios. System wouldn't even POST. I had a lot of custom ram timings I tuned and none of it worked. I had to go through and manually re-tune and re-test to discover new bios settings all over again on this board even though I kept the same processor. Based on my experience I would say most people won't be able to just "type in" their old bios settings into the new bios like that. They are probably going to have to re-tune everything again. Even the CPU overclocks.

 

[sane?]

I just wanted to note that this is not a good suggestion and probably won't work for most people.

Worked fine for me, and the OP is making a similar move. YMMV and the more you have tweaked values, the less likely it is to work. However the point was for the OP to not assume their setup would carry across the update, or be saved, and to note down key setup factors as a basis for further tuning.

 

[LuciferX]

Don’t worry, everything is going to be used in stock for some days until fine tuning … This is my new 16x2 kit , was really cheap (used) so maybe I will start trying reach 3200/3600 if possible

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[sane?]

Don’t worry, everything is going to be used in stock for some days until fine tuning … This is my new 16x2 kit , was really cheap (used) so maybe I will start trying reach 3200/3600 if possible

I got a good 10-15% extra out of mine via CPU and memory tuning - with cheapo DIMMs. Also, looking at the HWInfo pics, make sure you have an NVMe boot drive - worth it.

 

[zhadoom]

Since yesterday many bios releases at Asrock website.
X470 Taichi / Taichi Ultimate 5.10
X570 Creator 3.90
Many B350 , B450 and some X370

Not X370 Taichi / PG yet ...

 

[garych]

Since yesterday many bios releases at Asrock website.
X470 Taichi / Taichi Ultimate 5.10
X570 Creator 3.90
Many B350 , B450 and some X370

Not X370 Taichi / PG yet ...

Surely, it's coming, no reason not to 😉

 

[jdub90]

Sharing my post made on the 5800X3D owners thread, regarding my experience with the 5800X3D optimizations on the X370 Taichi, when using BCLK overclocking:

5800X3D Owners

I am joining the club. If there is something I must do, please tell me. I got one with the batch no. BR 2226PGS, hoping to get a good one. Will be using it with the NZXT N7 B550 (not a planned build though, it was on sale). Will this motherboard be able to fully utilize the 5800x3d?

www.overclock.net

 

[SpotAnime]

Just some feed back about memory timing.
Since many years I have a 1700 CPU and I was unable to get a DDR memory running higher than 2133 Mhz.
As I want to switch to a 3800X CPU, yesterday I flashed the bios 6.40 from 5.60.
And then bingo, my 1700 CPU is running DDR at 2600 Mhz (or higher)!
5.60 seems to be a crappy bios regarding memory timing.

Next step will be to insert the 3800X CPU.

Interesting that you said 5.60 is crappy regarding memory. I had a hell of a time upgrading my BIOS a few years back. I upgraded to 5.60 without changing any hardware components and couldn't get it to post afterwards, kept getting error 55 which IIRC was relating to memory. I was able to successfully downgrade and run stable on 5.10 and purposely haven't touched it since.

I really want to upgrade from my 1700x to my 5700x but have anxiety because of that experience. So are you saying that perhaps 6.40 or even 7.00 would be a better upgrade path from 5.10? FWIW I'm running G.Skill Flare X 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 RAM with my 1700x.

 

[kithylin]

Interesting that you said 5.60 is crappy regarding memory. I had a hell of a time upgrading my BIOS a few years back. I upgraded to 5.60 without changing any hardware components and couldn't get it to post afterwards, kept getting error 55 which IIRC was relating to memory. I was able to successfully downgrade and run stable on 5.10 and purposely haven't touched it since.

I really want to upgrade from my 1700x to my 5700x but have anxiety because of that experience. So are you saying that perhaps 6.40 or even 7.00 would be a better upgrade path from 5.10? FWIW I'm running G.Skill Flare X 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 RAM with my 1700x.

It sounds like you did not follow standard bios upgrade / system diagnostic procedures. First after a bios update if the system doesn't complete POST you need to reset CMOS either by the jumper on the motherboard or physically remove the cmos battery for 60 minutes and then re-install the battery and then try to power on the system again. This would make the ram default to the JDEC standard for DDR4 which is 2133 Mhz and remove any and all overclocks you may have applied to the system. If that did not successfully get your system to start then you would need to remove all ram and start up with 1 ram stick in the first slot (refer to the manual to know which slot is the first slot, it is not always physically the first slot nearest the CPU, sometimes it's 1 slot over) and remember to blow out the ram slots with a can of air duster, it may have developed dust in or around the ram sticks over the years.

Additionally it's usually a better idea before trying to update the bios to make sure you go in to bios and load system defaults -> F10 -> Restart -> THEN try to update the bios. This would clear out any possible overclock settings that may interfere with the update process. Everyone should always do this step when updating the bios on any computer, Intel, AMD, old, new, etc. Never ever ever try to update the bios on a computer while it is running any overclock of any kind.

 

[fcchin]

Interesting that you said 5.60 is crappy regarding memory. I had a hell of a time upgrading my BIOS a few years back. I upgraded to 5.60 without changing any hardware components and couldn't get it to post afterwards, kept getting error 55 which IIRC was relating to memory. I was able to successfully downgrade and run stable on 5.10 and purposely haven't touched it since.

I really want to upgrade from my 1700x to my 5700x but have anxiety because of that experience. So are you saying that perhaps 6.40 or even 7.00 would be a better upgrade path from 5.10? FWIW I'm running G.Skill Flare X 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 RAM with my 1700x.

You are here hence I presume you have x370 Taichi still and the answer is upgrade all the way to latest current is 7.10
simple CORE procedure, from your 5.6 -> 7.0(BRIDGE) ->7.1
key point is agesa 1.2.0.7 has been very good to everyone everybrand everymodel.

special attention for XMP to work must have
VDDCR_SOC 1.1v
CLDO_VDDP 1v (is not regular vddp)
VDDG_IOD 1.1v
VDDG_CCD 1.1v
procODT = dependent on ram/brand/ic - you'll find to trial and error find it, usually between 40ohms to 60ohms can boot

total 32GB and above = total 4 rank and above need extra voltage for dram, i.e. 1.35v -> 1.37v because more chips need extra push
64GB guys = 8 ranks probably need 1.4v instead of 1.35v

for details you will have to read history above thread, too much to write again.

pay attention bios 7.00 is a BRIDGE, only 8.19MB, it's a ERASE bios more than anything else, in preparation to CLEAN NEW bios 7.10 to go in, etc etc,

if you have flashrom or amiflash then you can go straight to 7.1

Version	Date	Size	Update method	Description	Download

[TD]7.10[/TD]
[TD]2022/5/13[/TD]
[TD]10.66MB[/TD]
[TD]Instant Flash[/TD]
[TD]

1. Support Renoir, Vermeer, and Cezanne CPU
2. Update AMD AM4 AGESA Combo V2 PI 1.2.0.7

*This BIOS doesn't support Bristol Ridge CPU, do NOT update this BIOS if Bristol Ridge CPU is being used.
**It requires to update BIOS to 7.00 before updating this version.
*** User will not able to flash previous BIOS once upgrading to this BIOS version.​

[/TD]

[TD] Global[/TD]
[TD] China[/TD]​

[TD]7.00[/TD]
[TD]2022/5/13[/TD]
[TD]8.19MB[/TD]
[TD]Instant Flash[/TD]
[TD]

Bridge BIOS for 7.10

*User will not able to flash previous BIOS once upgrading to this BIOS version​

[/TD]

[TD] Global[/TD]
[TD] China[/TD]​

 

[valerianf]

@SpotAnime "I really want to upgrade from my 1700x to my 5700x but have anxiety "
I did an upgrade from Ryzen 1700 to Ryzen 3800X.
Bios: 5.6 (1700) -> 6.40 -> 7.0 (3800X)
I did not have to reset any bios or change manually any bios value during the update from USB key.

But I got an issue: I had to do a blank install of W10 as the 1700 and the 3800X are seen as two different processors.
What a shame Windows!

 

[fcchin]

I got some bios issue when using an add-on PCIe Raid controller card.
With some bios (i.e.: 7.00) I do not see the bios from the Raid card before the ASRock bios shows up.
Bios 6.40 was showing it properly.
Is there a workaround?

But I got an issue: I had to do a blank install of W10 as the 1700 and the 3800X are seen as two different processors.
What a shame Windows!

bios 7.00 is a BRIDGE bios, no full function, cannot be used. You're suppose to swap in the new Zen3CPU right after you flash to 7.00 then boot into bios finally flash again to 7.10 in order to use all features and functions.

why did you stop at 7.00 I do not understand, hope you will flash to 7.10 quickly as agesa 1.2.0.7 has been good.

 

[valerianf]

"why did you stop at 7.00"
Well my computer is working well with 7.00 and W10.
I was planning to upgrade the bios when switching to W11 later.
What function do I miss with 7.00?

 

[kithylin]

"why did you stop at 7.00"
Well my computer is working well with 7.00 and W10.
I was planning to upgrade the bios when switching to W11 later.
What function do I miss with 7.00?

7.00 Isn't "An actual bios" it's only there to be a temporary bridge between older bios's and the newer version 7.10, as in temporary for like a couple minutes while you boot it to flash the newer bios. You should probably go ahead and update to the latest one for stability.

 

[quicknick]

Hiya folks! Kind of stranded here, so any help / advice is welcome!

System specs:

AsRock X370TaiChi
Ryzen X1700 (trying to upgrade to 5900X)
4x 8GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 (worked at 3066 for years)
GTX1070
Samsung 960Evo 500GB NVMe

Been using the TaiChi for more than 5 years with the 1700X, I stayed with BIOS version 2.40 as I was afraid newer versions might break something. The combo was flawless during that time, but now the itch for upgrading was getting stronger so I got a 5900X.

In preparation for the CPU swap I upgraded the BIOS to 7.10 using the bridge versions in-between. Starting with 7.00 I got a warning about bitlocker/ftpm and boot drive becoming inaccessible, but I'm not using bitlocker and I don't know what ftpm does, and frankly not being able to use the same Windows installation after a BIOS or CPU upgrade seems... inappropriate.

Anyway, after upgrading to 7.10 I let the system boot into Windows, all was still ok. However, first start after swapping the CPU I got a message that I'll abridge, but it basically said:

New CPU installed, fTPM/PSP NV corrupted or structure changed.
Press Y to reset fTPM
Press N to keep previous fTPM record and continue system boot.

Pressed N but nothing happened. (maybe code A9 appeared on the screen, bottom-right. I didn't look at the onboard led display). Waited a few minutes and pressed reset.

Same message appeared so i pressed Y this time. Board restarted a few times then got stuck in a comatose state where:

• it doesn't respond to reset button
• it doesn't respond to power button (short, long, extra-long press, no matter. I waited for some minutes before trying to reset or power down)
• all fans spin at full blast
• it shows no code on the onboard POST display

Seeing that nothing is about to change, I flicked the switch on the PSU.

Found some info that using only one stick of RAM increases your chances of success, so I removed 3 out of 4 8GB sticks that I'm using, and at some point (after many times getting stuck as described) Windows said it tried to start but couldn't, tried a repair but during repair the system would reboot and become stuck again! AAAaaarggghhh!!!

Reset the CMOS a few times, even re-flashed the 7.10 BIOS, no avail. Some restarts, codes flashing on the led diagnostic display, then stuck in coma.

Put back the 1700X, Windows said that it's undoing some changes (that were made during the reset/repair attempts, I suppose) and luckily it seems nothing is lost. I made a backup of critical stuff before starting the BIOS updating, but I'd very much like to keep the current Windows install.

At this point I'm out of ideas, I don't know if the systems gets stuck that way because it doesn't like my Windows install (might test that tomorrow, by trying a new Windows install on some spare SSD), or the board is not really compatible with 5000-series. Wouldn't surprise me too much, as my previous board (AsRock 880G Extreme-3) claimed to be AM3+ compatible with the latest BIOS, but trying to upgrade to a FX-series CPU resulted in strange behaviour / unusable system, so back to my trusty Phenom I was...