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Does anyone have experience with the ASUS C60M1-I motherboard's onboard RAID? With 6 sata ports and a CPU with an 18w tdp, it seems like it would be awesome for a nas without dropping 300 for a PERC card and going for "real" raid.<br><br>
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Scratch that, I just read it doesn't support hardware raid.<br><br><a class="bbcode_url H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/949561/width/312/height/312/flags/"><img alt="312" class="bbcode_img lightbox-enabled" data-id="949561" data-type="61" src="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/949561/width/312/height/312" style="width:312px;height:312px;"></a>
 

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Well, reading some more it looks like software raid doesn't suck anymore. So the discussion can commence.
 

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Scratch that, I just read it doesn't support hardware raid.<br><br><a class="bbcode_url H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/949561/width/312/height/312/flags/"><img alt="312" class="bbcode_img lightbox-enabled" data-id="949561" data-type="61" src="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/949561/width/312/height/312" style="width:312px;height:312px;"></a></div>
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Why do you need hardware RAID?<br><br>
NAS's usually run Linux or FreeBSD or something built off them. Odds of running software RAID are about.... 99.85%? <img alt="tongue.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.overclock.net/images/smilies/tongue.gif"><br><br><br>
Windows Software RAID sucks. (In the sense that performance is pretty bad and weird stuff like partitions vanishing is not unheard of.)<br><br>
Linux/BSD Software RAID is very mature and has very good performance when provided with enough memory. The majority of webservers connected to the internet run some sort of Linux software RAID.<br><br>
Solaris (Sun!) had one of the most advanced Software RAID & Filesystems to date - ZFS. Too bad the company crumbled and got bought out. Some of their engineers created absolutely amazing software.
 

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Why do you need hardware RAID?<br>
NAS's usually run Linux or FreeBSD or something built off them. Odds of running software RAID are about.... 99.85%? <img alt="tongue.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.overclock.net/images/smilies/tongue.gif"><br>
Windows Software RAID sucks. (In the sense that performance is pretty bad and weird stuff like partitions vanishing is not unheard of.)<br>
Linux/BSD Software RAID is very mature and has very good performance when provided with enough memory. The majority of webservers connected to the internet run some sort of Linux software RAID.<br>
Solaris (Sun!) had one of the most advanced Software RAID & Filesystems to date - ZFS. Too bad the company crumbled and got bought out. Some of their engineers created absolutely amazing software.</div>
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I'm only familiar with hardware raid, and held the opinion that software raid was "fake" raid and could never work as well. Research has shown me otherwise. So, what do you think about this board? Surely parity calcs wouldn't hit the cpu too hard, would it?<br><br>
Looking at getting something like a Habey EMC-600 and mounting the hard drives vertically on top.
 

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I'm only familiar with hardware raid, and held the opinion that software raid was "fake" raid and could never work as well. Research has shown me otherwise. So, what do you think about this board? Surely parity calcs wouldn't hit the cpu too hard, would it?</div>
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It can work very well, but you still need an efficient SATA controller with high per-port performance. Luckily these boards deliver in that regard.<br><br>
Well, what kind of performance level are you aiming for? Parity calcs certainly do hit the CPU. That one is about as fast as an atom, so you can't expect more than ~90MB/sec reads, and probably slower writes. Still, if your OS does proper read and write caching, you won't notice any slowdowns. That's what hardware RAID controllers basically are - self contained operating systems which manage about 512MB of cache and try to keep data flowing as quickly as possible. Linux is quite happy to do the same job (while simultaneously doing other stuff), but it may not do it quite as memory efficiently, and could certainly benefit from ~4GB of RAM to help it along. <img alt="biggrin.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.overclock.net/images/smilies/biggrin.gif">
 

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It's finally back in stock, I think I might get it. I'm thinking of trying to use this as both a HTPC and a NAS. I really just need ~5MB/s read and write performance to use it as an HTPC, if my calculations are right. Anything else is just gravy. It will get 8GB of RAM which should help greatly as a cache. I think I will run Win7 with freeNAS inside of vmware player. People use the board for ESXi so surely it can handle some basic media shuffling. I'm currently using my desktop as a storage array for a laptop running as my HTPC so I stand to save a ton in power consumption. Hate leaving the desktop on all day.
 

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I've used the 'big brother' of this board, with an AMD E-350, for a NAS. It easily handles 10 SATA disks, with plenty of room for expansion, and that board only has 4 SATA ports.<br><br>
The trick: get the board, get a BIG case, with loooooads of 5.25" bays in the front, get a couple of those 5x3.5"-to-3x5.25" bays (in which you can put 5x 3.5" drives on their sides, and take up just 3x 5.25" slots), and.. the magic wand: a 'port multiplier'. Newer SATA chipsets allow you to have a port multiplier. One cable from the motherboard to the PMP (as it's also referred to), and from there you can usually connect 5 more drives.<br><br>
You will also want to use software raid, especially when you will use something like FreeNAS. If you use a hardware RAID, and that breaks, you either need to get the -exact- same family of RAID card back or you won't be able to get to the data. If you use software RAID, you just hook up your drives to the new mobo or whatever, and you're back in business. Performance of software RAID is generally at least as good as hardware RAID, especially since the 'home use' hardware RAID isn't exactly truly hardware RAID... They still make the CPU do all the work, so there's no gain, really.<br><br>
If you worry that the 5 drives will fill up the single link to your mobo, I wouldn't worry too much. Usually, you will end up with performances of up to 50-100MB/s. Theoretical maximum for the single SATA link is 3Gbit/s, which makes 375MB/s. Sure, drives can burst pretty high, but steady throughput is generally quite a bit lower. So, with 5 disks you'll fill it up, but you won't overrun it by much.<br><br>
And finally: linux support for PMPs is a bit iffy, so I'd suggest going with FreeNAS, which has MUCH better support for it. OpenFiler is linux based, so that'd be a nono. Not sure how windows handles it, but I honestly do not see any reason why you'd want to run FreeNAS in a VM on a windows host. And finally, remember that if you build any serious fileserver, your power consumption won't be in the mobo, but in the disks. Make sure your drives can go to sleep, by preventing silly programs to wake them up all the time.<br><br>
Besides the NAS, I've used the same board for an OpenELEC build. Set me back about 200 euros for that one, and can handle anything I throw at it.
 

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It's finally back in stock, I think I might get it. I'm thinking of trying to use this as both a HTPC and a NAS. I really just need ~5MB/s read and write performance to use it as an HTPC, if my calculations are right. Anything else is just gravy. It will get 8GB of RAM which should help greatly as a cache. I think I will run Win7 with freeNAS inside of vmware player. People use the board for ESXi so surely it can handle some basic media shuffling. I'm currently using my desktop as a storage array for a laptop running as my HTPC so I stand to save a ton in power consumption. Hate leaving the desktop on all day.</div>
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It's not powerful enough for HTPC especially on non-hardware accelerated video.... i.e. It will cause Netflix HD to stutter. The bigger E-350 at 1.6GHz cannot even do it.<br><br>
It might be fine for DVD-quality local media playback though.<br><br>
I also noted the the E-350 LAN eats up a large amount of CPU resources during large file(s) transfers. I assume the same applies to the C-60.
 

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I use one of these Asus C60M1-I running debian as a file server, backup destination, torrent downloader, ssh tunnel/proxy, compiling software, DLNA-server, and everything else for an "always-on" computer, and think it rocks. I use an SSD for the system, and then have 4 regular harddrives for data, two in a raid-1 configuration for valuable irreplaceable files (photos, work products, etc), one drive for media, and one for software projects. The drives spin down after 30 minutes of inactivity and the processor scales down when idle, which brings the total system running load down to under 20W (including power supply which I think is the biggest user, measured by kill-a-watt) and nearly silent, with just one small fan that runs at mid-speed. It certainly smokes any stand alone (ARM-based) NAS solution I had tried, and a much better price and comparable power rating. Especially once you consider the benefits of a standard boot process, a regular operating system instead of some funky half-cooked firmware, regular keyboard/mouse/monitor, desktop environment and apps, and being able to remote in to a full desktop using VNC or XDMCP. Depending on the day and the protocol, I get 20-40 MB/s transfer speeds over gigabit LAN.<br><br>
I also use an ASUS E-350 running debian for my HTPC, hooked up to the TV. It also works great showing the files served of the C60M1. All but the most high def/high bitrate videos play smooth even without hardware acceleration. XBMC now has a port with Xvba hardware acceleration that these use. With that I can play full HD 3D videos very smooth - files that are either 3840x1080 or 1920x2160 resolution, although I have the output display set only to 720p.<br><br>
I don't monitor the CPU usage of the C60 very closely, but I have had no problem using it to run torrents while serving media and sometimes a remote desktop simultaneously.<br><br>
Since I got it set up, I often am using it for quick tasks, web searches, etc, instead of booting up my main desktop computer.<br><br>
Happy computing!
 

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My NAS :<br><br><a class="bbcode_url" href="http://www.modding.kh.ua/articles/255-domashniy-nas-7.html" target="_blank"></a><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1121366/"><img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="1121366" data-type="61" src="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1121366/width/350/height/700/flags/LL" style="; width: 350px; height: 263px"></a><br><br>
Golden Field 3205B<br>
Asus C60M1-I<br>
Kingston DDR3-1333 4096MB PC3-10600<br>
4* Seagate Barracuda ST3000DM001-9YN166<br>
WDC WD10EACS-00D6B0<br>
GlacialStar IceWind 12025 Sleeve<br>
GlacialStar IceWind 9225 Sleeve<br>
Chieftec APS-500S<br>
SanDisk Cruiser Fit 8Gb (for NAS4Free )<br><br>
is used as a file server (NAS) то SMB and NFS, DLNA, torrent downloader, etc
 

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Awesome posts guys!
 

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Usually, you will end up with performances of up to 50-100MB/s.</div>
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New to RAID setups. Would this be per drive or over the entire array? I'm speaking in regards to a RAID-0 setup. If that's over the entire array, I'm not impressed :/<br><br>
I'd be using it to capture uncompressed 1080p video. Would this board be up to that? I don't see the processor having problems, since it's not encoding, but some input from those knowing more than I would be appreciated.
 

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New to RAID setups. Would this be per drive or over the entire array? I'm speaking in regards to a RAID-0 setup. If that's over the entire array, I'm not impressed :/<br>
I'd be using it to capture uncompressed 1080p video. Would this board be up to that? I don't see the processor having problems, since it's not encoding, but some input from those knowing more than I would be appreciated.</div>
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The setup Shoikan was describing is using a port multiplier, so several drives are sharing a single sata link to the motherboard, which will increase capacity at the cost of speed.<br><br>
If you are talking about truly uncompressed hd video in real time at 200+ MB/s, you probably want to use a raid-0 with a couple drives hooked to separate sata ports (and you'd fill up a pair of 1-terabyte drives with a few hours worth of video)<br><br>
Copying with dd from /dev/zero to a test file I get 205MB/s onto a SSD with no raid, so theoretically you may be able to do what you speak of using raid-0 even with this board, however especially depending on the source/input connection you would probably be better with something with more processing power. Especially assuming you'd at some point want to compress that video.<br><br>
However I am using a silicon dust tuner and can capture capture two 1080i HDTV streams simultaneously using the C60 with no problem. The streams are actually broadcast with MPEG2 compression, and run about 2-4GB/hr. Have no problem with the capture, could probably run 2 more if I had another tuner, but i do boot up the big computer once a week or so to compress those captures to x264 to reduce the size.
 

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Thanks. Would definitely being using RAID0 for the capture. It would just be for capturing. Footage would be edited / compressed on another system.
 

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my DIY nas is :<br>
Asus c60m1-I<br>
8 gb 1333 ram (kingston)<br>
8 gb ssd ( transend)<br>
2X WD 2TB EARX<br>
1X 1TB WD<br>
1X 500 GB WD<br>
300W SILENT psu<br>
coolmaster small case<br><br><br>
I am running openmediavault 0.4 ( debian nas distro) And i am loving it. ( first time linux user)<br>
Got it to work as an sabnzbd+,sickbeard , couchpatato server.. and i am running an plexmediaserver on it.<br><br>
When i got it i started with freenas but there was no support for onboard lan card ( not really good for a nas)<br><br>
I Am running this setup for about an half year. And i am thinking of expending..<br><br>
I am kind of a noob so could use some expert advise..<br>
Does this board support a port multiplier?<br>
if it does i was thinking of getting one of those and adding 5x 3tb in raid 5.<br>
i could only find sata 300 port multipliers does this really matter in this kind of setup?<br><br>
thank you kind regards mathijs strik
 

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i found an anser: since the c60m uses the a50m sata chip controller. if i have to believe this website its possible.<br><br>
<a href="https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/SATA_hardware_features#Key" target="_blank">https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/SATA_hardware_features#Key</a>
 

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i found an anser: since the c60m uses the a50m sata chip controller. if i have to believe this website its possible.<br><br>
<a href="https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/SATA_hardware_features#Key" target="_blank">https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/SATA_hardware_features#Key</a></div>
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unless I am missing something the North Bridge chipset is AMD Hudson M1 and I believe that only supports 6 Sata 6 ports and this board has 6 ports so a port multiplyer here would be useless.<br><br>
A50M Hudson-M1[N 1] "Brazos" ×4 Gen 1[M 1] 6 × 6 Gbit/s AHCI 1.2<br><br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_chipsets#Fusion_controller_hubs_.28FCH.29" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_chipsets#Fusion_controller_hubs_.28FCH.29</a>
 

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unless I am missing something the North Bridge chipset is AMD Hudson M1 and I believe that only supports 6 Sata 6 ports and this board has 6 ports so a port multiplyer here would be useless.<br><br>
A50M Hudson-M1[N 1] "Brazos" ×4 Gen 1[M 1] 6 × 6 Gbit/s AHCI 1.2<br><br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_chipsets#Fusion_controller_hubs_.28FCH.29" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_chipsets#Fusion_controller_hubs_.28FCH.29</a></div>
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PM works fine in freenas and nas4free. I currently have my board with 8 drives 4 Ports > 4 Drives. The last 2 i converted to esata and used a esata enclosure for 80 bucks and still have more room for expansion. Running 8 2tb in Nas4Free in a software Raid5 for testing its been up for weeks with no problem and reads S.M.A.R.T. no problem.
 
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