[ronnin426850]

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Originally Posted by EvoBeardy

Oh I don't doubt that at all, I do understand switching of phases and stable current and I'm not trying to argue with you, all that you've done with this thread is extremely helpful to everyone and is greatly appreciated.

A lot of boards these days use doublers as you well know, which doesn't help at all with ripple suppression, his motherboard does have superior FETs when you compare them to the ones used by MSI on the boards that plagued Thuban users (and even some Deneb) initially. So I just wanted to ensure they have a little more information than just their board has low phases for typical overclocking therefor it sucks.

The person in question isn't outputting more rating than the FETs can handle even with a quad core, and we've both suggested they stay well under the maximum recommended voltage of the CPU anyway (1.55v). I'd be more worried about a poor quality PSU causing damage than the VRM on that board, under the voltage and on the CPU's I mentioned.
He also has decent thermal protection with that board that will induce throttling under duress, and as most people will easily recognise throttling, they won't keep the VRM as close to spec and turn it down, knowing they've approached the limits of their board or the cooling capabilities at least.

Like I said, I'm not trying to argue, I have no doubts that you're much more knowledgable than I am, and what I've stated is more information for others, than trying to mention things you already are well aware of, just essentially scaring them away from throwing a quad core at 1.5v in his particular board (I certainly don't recommend that high at all but still), seems a little harsh, especially when his particular motherboard has one of the strongest/cleanest VRM's for the price range.
In an idea world, no doubt I'll always recommend a true 6/8 phase with good quality FETs, but if they don't have money to upgrade a board, but can get ahold of an X4 in the future or even an FX6/Thuban with mild OC, when their board can handle that, I don't want to scare them away from getting the most out of their components, nor anyone else that happens to read that, if that makes sense?

We're all trying to work together here, and in no way am I trying to discredit what you say, just telling them their particular motherboard could combust with an x4 at 1.5v, when it's actually not a bad board for its design, seemed a little drastic.

Relax, you are absolutely correct! I did not at any moment get the feel you were trying to discredit me, so no worries!

@andella, did you mention what your PSU is? Also, somebody said something about having all DIMMs populated, is that the case? It should not be an issue when the HT and NB multis have been lowered, but just in case you may try to boot with only 2 DIMMs

 

[andella]

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Originally Posted by ronnin426850

Relax, you are absolutely correct! I did not at any moment get the feel you were trying to discredit me, so no worries!

@andella, did you mention what your PSU is? Also, somebody said something about having all DIMMs populated, is that the case? It should not be an issue when the HT and NB multis have been lowered, but just in case you may try to boot with only 2 DIMMs

@EvoBeardy your answer is very helpful, I learn a lot from it, thanks, and according to you if I want to C3, what should I do buy new mono or buy another athlon 250?

@ronnin firstly I used thermaltake toughpower XT 675W, but after i had increased 3GHZ to 3,2GHZ then I test used prime95,but while test is running my PSU got burned, I don't know why, and now I used PSU from my casing...

According to you, what is am3/am3+ mobo good for overclock?

 

[ronnin426850]

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Originally Posted by andella

@EvoBeardy your answer is very helpful, I learn a lot from it, thanks, and according to you if I want to C3, what should I do buy new mono or buy another athlon 250?

@ronnin firstly I used thermaltake toughpower XT 675W, but after i had increased 3GHZ to 3,2GHZ then I test used prime95,but while test is running my PSU got burned, I don't know why, and now I used PSU from my casing...

According to you, what is am3/am3+ mobo good for overclock?

Your 675W Thermaltake PSU burned after you OCed by 200Mhz?

Something is very wrong with your system. I advice you to not try to push 4Ghz right now, Especially with a noname case-combo PSU, those things give dirty voltage.

About your question: depends on the budget, as always. You can see how something like this:



can be quite decent OCer.

890FX Deluxe5:



was a good OCer around 150$, should be way cheaper now, but as I've said, I do not really keep up with the whole Athlon ecosystem anymore, so I can't comment on what is considered appropriate today.

But I do swear by AsRock, if that helps

 

[andella]

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Originally Posted by ronnin426850

Your 675W Thermaltake PSU burned after you OCed by 200Mhz?

Something is very wrong with your system. I advice you to not try to push 4Ghz right now, Especially with a noname case-combo PSU, those things give dirty voltage.

About your question: depends on the budget, as always. You can see how something like this:



can be quite decent OCer.

890FX Deluxe5:



was a good OCer around 150$, should be way cheaper now, but as I've said, I do not really keep up with the whole Athlon ecosystem anymore, so I can't comment on what is considered appropriate today.

But I do swear by AsRock, if that helps

Yeah, I had fail system PSU, but I change another PSU the system running normal

Maybe be I choose asrock fatality, because 890fx is very rare in my country..
And what CPU u using now? And u OC it?

 

[andella]

@ronnin hey how about gigabyte ga-ma770-ud3p, it good enough? Cause I get it for free,..hahahaha

 

[ronnin426850]

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Originally Posted by andella

Yeah, I had fail system PSU, but I change another PSU the system running normal

Maybe be I choose asrock fatality, because 890fx is very rare in my country..
And what CPU u using now? And u OC it?

I would like to note that these mobos are posted are not the only two options, the article that I linked in the OP (this one: http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database)
contains a list of many recommended AM3+ and AM3 mobos, sorted by brand. AM3+ is the first table, AM3 is a bit further down after the FM sockets, you'll find it.
Essentially anything with 8+ heatsinked phases and regular BIOS updates, should have no problem OCing any Athlon.

On your other question, I changed 4-5 rigs in the past thee years, currently I'm running an i5 4460 non-K that can't OC, and my other rig that I gave to my ex wife is an Athlon 750K on FM2+ mobo, OCed to 4Ghz. I also had an Athlon 760K, also on 4Ghz, Celeron, Core2Quad, and Opteron Santa Ana.

 

[andella]

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Originally Posted by ronnin426850

I would like to note that these mobos are posted are not the only two options, the article that I linked in the OP (this one: http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database)
contains a list of many recommended AM3+ and AM3 mobos, sorted by brand. AM3+ is the first table, AM3 is a bit further down after the FM sockets, you'll find it.
Essentially anything with 8+ heatsinked phases and regular BIOS updates, should have no problem OCing any Athlon.

On your other question, I changed 4-5 rigs in the past thee years, currently I'm running an i5 4460 non-K that can't OC, and my other rig that I gave to my ex wife is an Athlon 750K on FM2+ mobo, OCed to 4Ghz. I also had an Athlon 760K, also on 4Ghz, Celeron, Core2Quad, and Opteron Santa Ana.

Yap thanks for your recommendation its very helpful for me, I think you have a lot experience about OC, glad to see you...haha and I very interesting to learn about it...
Asus M5a88 v-evo or gigabyte ga-ma770t-ud3p you think its enough? I see it from your link...

 

[ronnin426850]

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Originally Posted by andella

Yap thanks for your recommendation its very helpful for me, I think you have a lot experience about OC, glad to see you...haha and I very interesting to learn about it...
Asus M5a88 v-evo or gigabyte ga-ma770t-ud3p you think its enough? I see it from your link...

Either should be plenty, but the Asus is the much better choice - newer chipset, two PCI-E slots, and VRM heatsink.

 

[andella]

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Originally Posted by ronnin426850

Either should be plenty, but the Asus is the much better choice - newer chipset, two PCI-E slots, and VRM heatsink.

Okay thanks sir...
One question again, I try increased my clock 240x15=3,6GHZ, I test it with prime95, I got BSOD, what should I do? Decreasing my clock or increase Vcore 1,425v to 1,435v?

Sorry if I have a lot questions...

 

[ronnin426850]

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Originally Posted by andella

Okay thanks sir...
One question again, I try increased my clock 240x15=3,6GHZ, I test it with prime95, I got BSOD, what should I do? Decreasing my clock or increase Vcore 1,425v to 1,435v?

Sorry if I have a lot questions...

It's normal to have a lot of questions, you don't need to apologize, my friend.

Do you monitor your temperature? What is your load temp before the BSOD?

 

[andella]

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Originally Posted by ronnin426850

It's normal to have a lot of questions, you don't need to apologize, my friend.

Do you monitor your temperature? What is your load temp before the BSOD?

Around 55c until 60c, I don't remember exactly...

 

[ocyt]

i've noticed that lowering my NB/HT clocks away from the stock multiplier gave me instability. (even if the lowered multiplier put me closer to the stock 2000ht/nb speeds)
i also tried running 1.7v to achieve stability at nearly 3.7ghz (PLEASE DON'T TRY YOU MIGHT BREAK YOUR CPU OR MOBO)
it was as unstable as 1.5v was at those speeds (wont even boot if i tried to change the NB or HT multipliers)
eventually only got the chip to run stable at 1.55v and 3.6ghz
here's a screenie of my 3.8ghz which eventualy resulted in BSOD


for some reason it still didn't heat up at all, even when stress testing. regardless of voltages. maybe my motherboard is faulty and isn't putting enough power into the socket? although my 8320e heats up like crazy, i also notice my phenom II on the same mobo barely heats up. ([email protected] and only 58C at the socket during stress tests)
can an open case and decent mobo along with 212+ really keep things this cool? (ofc i have all the power saving features off while testing OC)

must say unless you want to use the system for games that are over ten years old, or to watch 1080p movies at best, you're best bet it to buy a $40 phenom II and try overclocking it.
though it really depends on what you want to do, also be much more careful when trying to OC a quad core phenom II as it will surely suck enough juice to fry cheapo motherboards

 

[andella]

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Originally Posted by ocyt

i've noticed that lowering my NB/HT clocks away from the stock multiplier gave me instability. (even if the lowered multiplier put me closer to the stock 2000ht/nb speeds)
i also tried running 1.7v to achieve stability at nearly 3.7ghz (PLEASE DON'T TRY YOU MIGHT BREAK YOUR CPU OR MOBO)
it was as unstable as 1.5v was at those speeds (wont even boot if i tried to change the NB or HT multipliers)
eventually only got the chip to run stable at 1.55v and 3.6ghz
here's a screenie of my 3.8ghz which eventualy resulted in BSOD


for some reason it still didn't heat up at all, even when stress testing. regardless of voltages. maybe my motherboard is faulty and isn't putting enough power into the socket? although my 8320e heats up like crazy, i also notice my phenom II on the same mobo barely heats up. ([email protected] and only 58C at the socket during stress tests)
can an open case and decent mobo along with 212+ really keep things this cool? (ofc i have all the power saving features off while testing OC)

must say unless you want to use the system for games that are over ten years old, or to watch 1080p movies at best, you're best bet it to buy a $40 phenom II and try overclocking it.
though it really depends on what you want to do, also be much more careful when trying to OC a quad core phenom II as it will surely suck enough juice to fry cheapo motherboards

I have stable 3,575MHZ ht/nb x8 @1.425v, and I did it wrong when I increase 3.8GHZ @3,5GHZ fortunately my mobo not burned
What is your mobo sir? You can increase voltage to 1.7ghz and not burned your mobo?

 

[andella]

Hey I want to ask again, I want to little upgrade my PC, can my mobo ga-78lmt-usb3 1xpcie16 2.0 support rx460 pcie 3.0?

 

[ronnin426850]

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Originally Posted by andella

Hey I want to ask again, I want to little upgrade my PC, can my mobo ga-78lmt-usb3 1xpcie16 2.0 support rx460 pcie 3.0?

Yes. If it functions correctly, it will work. But do Not buy the 460, it is not worth the money. It is only slightly cheaper than 470, but is two times slower. Save up for 470 or 570 if you can. Else, 560 is the best option, if you can find it.

 

[andella]

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Originally Posted by ronnin426850

Yes. If it functions correctly, it will work. But do Not buy the 460, it is not worth the money. It is only slightly cheaper than 470, but is two times slower. Save up for 470 or 570 if you can. Else, 560 is the best option, if you can find it.

ok. thanks for your suggestion