lion is old compared to newer more efficient batteries. Lion is good for Laptops and small devices but for biger things like card Zebra (molten sodium chloroaluminate (NaAlCl4)) Are better For cars due to there Huge capacity Per Pound.
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generators would cause great friction and will be worse for fuel economy. And the new Prius does have solar panels.
Originally Posted by Hewlett-Packard Why don't they put a generator that will use the movement of the wheels to recharge the car??? That way, you never have to stop, and solar panels would help too. |
Fast charging batteries would be awesome. However, I wonder what the operating lifetime of the battery would be (in years).
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Solar cells make almost no power. They are hardly worth mentioning for cars or even land lines.
Generators on wheels idea:
1) Energy from battery to motors to turn the wheels
2) Lose energy during above transfer
3) Generators turn wheel motion into electricity and charge battery
4) Lose energy during above transfer
5) Repeat step 1
That is a horrible idea. All that would be accomplished is wasting energy due to the fact that you can't convert energy without taking losses. Not to mention that generators are heavy and would increase the weight of the car.
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Originally Posted by Hewlett-Packard Why don't they put a generator that will use the movement of the wheels to recharge the car??? That way, you never have to stop, and solar panels would help too. |
Generators on wheels idea:
1) Energy from battery to motors to turn the wheels
2) Lose energy during above transfer
3) Generators turn wheel motion into electricity and charge battery
4) Lose energy during above transfer
5) Repeat step 1
That is a horrible idea. All that would be accomplished is wasting energy due to the fact that you can't convert energy without taking losses. Not to mention that generators are heavy and would increase the weight of the car.
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A small problem: Most people that drive cars decide to stop often enough (for example: You're at your destination, there is a red light a block after your destination after passing it up, a police helicopter shoots out your two rear tires after giving you fair warning for running that red light all of the way back three states ago what with your unstopping car, etc.) that you could not keep going forever. And that's even if it was even likely to happen considering how hard it is to keep going even when you have enough fuel and the like!
I think the logical idea would be to just have batteries placed in a way that you could easily slide them out. When you stop at a service station for "fuel" you pull up to the "pump" and the system removes the used battery and replaced it with a charged one. After a used battery has run down a certain amount of its lifespan it is rebuilt.
Of course, this would take the unified cooperation of all auto-manufacturers to even start on, so maybe we'll just wait on this until the devil starts looking for a summer vacation home, heh.
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What would make GRATUITOUS amounts of sense would be using friction based braking in the form of generations that would, when braking, cycle on and cause the wheels to have less power and have to slow down (which is how the Prius works I believe). You should be able to use the electric motor in reverse in this regard. This helps slow braking (if done right, which I'm sure it wouldn't be) and thus the need for normal wheel-based friction braking would be eliminated.
Originally Posted by Hewlett-Packard Why don't they put a generator that will use the movement of the wheels to recharge the car??? That way, you never have to stop, and solar panels would help too. |
I think the logical idea would be to just have batteries placed in a way that you could easily slide them out. When you stop at a service station for "fuel" you pull up to the "pump" and the system removes the used battery and replaced it with a charged one. After a used battery has run down a certain amount of its lifespan it is rebuilt.
Of course, this would take the unified cooperation of all auto-manufacturers to even start on, so maybe we'll just wait on this until the devil starts looking for a summer vacation home, heh.
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Originally Posted by bruestle2 Fast charging batteries would be awesome. However, I wonder what the operating lifetime of the battery would be (in years). Solar cells make almost no power. They are hardly worth mentioning for cars or even for land lines. Generators on wheels idea: 1) Energy from battery to motors to turn the wheels 2) Lose energy during above transfer 3) Generators turn wheel motion into electricity and charge battery 4) Lose energy during above transfer 5) Repeat step 1 That is a horrible idea. All that would be accomplished is wasting energy due to the fact that you can't convert energy without taking losses. Not to mention that generators are heavy and would increase the weight of the car. |
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THIS is how the Prius does it currently. Regenerative breaking.
Originally Posted by Guswut What would make GRATUITOUS amounts of sense would be using friction based braking in the form of generations that would, when braking, cycle on and cause the wheels to have less power and have to slow down (which is how the Prius works I believe). You should be able to use the electric motor in reverse in this regard. This helps slow braking (if done right, which I'm sure it wouldn't be) and thus the need for normal wheel-based friction braking would be eliminated. |
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I would have to say that every hybrid that I've read about does the same thing in some capacity. It's a very logical thing and easy to engineer -- motor for acceleration that turns into alternator when decelerating.
Originally Posted by LuckySe7ens THIS is how the Prius does it currently. Regenerative breaking. |
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Well that was the funniest thing I've read here in a while.
So instead of using gasoline or *insert other energy source here* to turn your wheels to move your car, you want to use an energy source to turn you wheels to power a generator to make electricity to spin your wheels to move your car.
Why not just use unicorn milk?
And if your talking about using braking to generate power... yeah, that's already been done...
Originally Posted by Hewlett-Packard Why don't they put a generator that will use the movement of the wheels to recharge the car??? That way, you never have to stop, and solar panels would help too. |
So instead of using gasoline or *insert other energy source here* to turn your wheels to move your car, you want to use an energy source to turn you wheels to power a generator to make electricity to spin your wheels to move your car.
Why not just use unicorn milk?
And if your talking about using braking to generate power... yeah, that's already been done...
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Yes, as I said in my post (which I'm certain you read completely) it was how I believe the Prius did it. But, though, the Prius still uses conventional friction-based braking solutions. Hopefully, in the future, they will have sorted out the use of the "regenerative" braking solution so you do not need wheel-based brakes. Converting nearly all of the energy you are using from stopping back into usable power would be extremely useful (as well as not needing to service brakes, etc). Thanks.
Originally Posted by LuckySe7ens THIS is how the Prius does it currently. Regenerative breaking. |
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I think some electric cars have that for when you brake.
Originally Posted by Hewlett-Packard Why don't they put a generator that will use the movement of the wheels to recharge the car??? That way, you never have to stop, and solar panels would help too. |
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I lol'ed.
Where is this molten sodium aluminum chlorate battery technology mentioned? All I've heard of is Li-Poly's and Li-Ions.
A123 (the maker of Th!nk's batteries) manufactures Li-Poly's.
Originally Posted by Dezixn Well that was the funniest thing I've read here in a while. So instead of using gasoline or *insert other energy source here* to turn your wheels to move your car, you want to use an energy source to turn you wheels to power a generator to make electricity to spin your wheels to move your car. Why not just use unicorn milk? And if your talking about using braking to generate power... yeah, that's already been done... |
Where is this molten sodium aluminum chlorate battery technology mentioned? All I've heard of is Li-Poly's and Li-Ions.
A123 (the maker of Th!nk's batteries) manufactures Li-Poly's.
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