[Georgegtb]

I have been hearing alot and being seen people being told lot the best bang for buck quad core is a phenom 2 but i don't see how with UK prices but please tell me if i have made a stupid mistake.eg

AMD
CPU:http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Compo...age=3&rqcType=

MB:http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Compo...roductId=37173

RAM:http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Compo...roductId=34385

Intel:

CPU:http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Compo...roductId=30247

MB:http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Compo...roductId=33796

RAM:http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Compo...roductId=35608

AMD= £294

Intel= £251

Intel is £40 cheaper but with only ddr2 rm would shouldn't make big difference the only thing i can see is the AMD 3 board takes more RAM and may be used for new AMD cpus but im not sure about that.
Anything im missing here?

 

[ckybam3]

It could simply be that intel is more a internationally renowned company and is cheaper for them to get their stuff to the UK than amd. I dont know but i do know that prices are always different in different countries.

 

[I_dalder_I]

Well first off thats the new gen of AMD processor (socket am3) and thats the last gen (socket 775) of the intel ones. If you where comparing core i7 to Phenom II then it would make a lot more sense.

 

[slothfish]

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Originally Posted by I_dalder_I Well first off thats the new gen of AMD processor (socket am3) and thats the last gen (socket 775) of the intel ones. If you where comparing core i7 to Phenom II then it would make a lot more sense.

Considering the Q9550 outperforms the PhII 955 clock for clock, this comparison makes total sense.

AMD is no longer the bang-for-buck king since Intel dropped their prices drastically. Go with the Q9550 build, you will be very happy with it.

 

[Cod2player]

Wow....really? I'm surprised Slothfish didn't catch this but
1. Your comparing a system with 4GB of DDR3 ram vs 2GB of DDR2 ram..also not the type with the fancy heat spreaders but VALUE ram.
2. That is a cheap G43 motherboard, and then you need to buy a newer platform AM3 motherboard for the AMD buikd.

I'd do a few things if you want to compare fairly. First I'd select similar quality memory and memory sizes and then I'd try include a Intel motherboard which might make overclocking worth while.

Although personally if I was you I would just buy the AMD build with this > http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Compo...roductId=37174 motherboard and some cheaper DDR2 memory.

 

[Georgegtb]

i was just wondering because what people have been saying doesn't make much seance and you can't compare i7 to phenom because i7 outperforms the amd cpu by a long way and it is more expensive again but maybe i5 when they come out

 

[Inktfish]

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Originally Posted by slothfish Considering the Q9550 outperforms the PhII 955 clock for clock, this comparison makes total sense. AMD is no longer the bang-for-buck king since Intel dropped their prices drastically. the Q9550 build, you will be very happy with it.

True that, except that you need another mobo seeing the chipset is crap and need to get more ram.

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Originally Posted by Cod2player Wow....really? I'm surprised Slothfish didn't catch this but 1. Your comparing a system with 4GB of DDR3 ram vs 2GB of DDR2 ram..also not the type with the fancy heat spreaders but VALUE ram. 2. That is a cheap G43 motherboard, and then you need to buy a newer platform AM3 motherboard for the AMD buikd. I'd do a few things if you want to compare fairly. First I'd select similar quality memory and memory sizes and then I'd try include a Intel motherboard which might make overclocking worth while. Although personally if I was you I would just buy the AMD build with this > http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Compo...roductId=37174 motherboard and some cheaper DDR2 memory.

1: True
2, the chipset(770) of the AM3 board isn't something awesome either.
A 790 GX/X/FX would be nice.(The one Cod2player linked is pretty awesome in my eyes).

 

[slothfish]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cod2player Wow....really? I'm surprised Slothfish didn't catch this but 1. Your comparing a system with 4GB of DDR3 ram vs 2GB of DDR2 ram..also not the type with the fancy heat spreaders but VALUE ram. 2. That is a cheap G43 motherboard, and then you need to buy a newer platform AM3 motherboard for the AMD buikd. I'd do a few things if you want to compare fairly. First I'd select similar quality memory and memory sizes and then I'd try include a Intel motherboard which might make overclocking worth while. Although personally if I was you I would just buy the AMD build with this > http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Compo...roductId=37174 motherboard and some cheaper DDR2 memory.

I wasn't really referring to the choice of RAM and mobo the OP made, I was just stating a general fact, sorry for the confusion. The OP could easily get a better mobo and RAM and still have a cheaper setup than the AMD build.

 

[Cod2player]

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Originally Posted by Inktfish True that, except that you need another mobo seeing the chipset is crap and need to get more ram. 1: True 2, the chipset(770) of the AM3 board isn't something awesome either. A 790 GX/X/FX would be nice.(The one Cod2player linked is pretty awesome in my eyes).

1.

2. True, but I would still choose it over a G43

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3. I thought so to, and the price difference shouldn't hurt to much....

Sick of making number lists yet?

 

[Georgegtb]

i doubled the price for the ram and what i should have done was used the pny sticks £32 for 4GB which is actually cheaper or this for £5 more : http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...d=8&subcat=813

I wont be buying either because you are paying alot money for last gen outdated tech when you might as well pay £150 now then £200 later when more options have become clear or i7 has gotten cheaper

 

[Georgegtb]

What are the prices like else where when it comes to Intel vs AMD ?

 

[Choggs396]

Quote:

Originally Posted by slothfish Considering the Q9550 outperforms the PhII 955 clock for clock, this comparison makes total sense.

Really? Honest question.

 

[slothfish]

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Originally Posted by Choggs396 Really? Honest question.

Yup. In most reviews the Q9550 and 955 perform about equally at stock clocks, so it is safe to assume that the Q9550 outperforms it clock for clock considering the 955 is clocked 400mhz higher stock.

 

[Georgegtb]

but they both cost the same so it doesn't make much of a difference unless you overclock them

 

[slothfish]

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Originally Posted by Georgegtb but they both cost the same so it doesn't make much of a difference unless you overclock them

...what website is this again?

 

[thegreatsquare]

The processor are about even, close enough that it is not the issue.

As for the mobo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128354
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128392

There seems to be quite a bit of disappointment with that Intel board. So the AMD set-up is is a better pick of components, but you have a good bit of leeway to find a better Intel mobo.

Then there is a matter of the RAM. I wouldn't put that DDR2 RAM in anything, while you gave the the AMD some ok DDR3.

If I didn't know better I'd say you have an affinity for the AMD PII X4 955, because you really shafted the Intel build by sticking it with a lousy mobo and RAM that doesn't even have a heat spreader.

So unless you want to bring out a better intel build, just cut to the chase and take that AMD build.

 

[M3T4LM4N222]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Georgegtb i was just wondering because what people have been saying doesn't make much seance and you can't compare i7 to phenom because i7 outperforms the amd cpu by a long way and it is more expensive again but maybe i5 when they come out

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, its been shown that the 955 does better at higher resolution games in crossfire, there's no basically no difference when using desktop use unless all you use is multi-threaded applications. People who say it outperforms it by a lot must see everything in extreme slowmo because it won't even be more than .1 second faster in regular desktop use.
And the reason why your intel build is cheaper:

LGA 775, Cheap motherboard, Less RAM, DDR2 RAM.

http://www.cnet.com.au/amd-phenom-ii...-339297523.htm

 

[Georgegtb]

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...d=8&subcat=817

heres some even better ram that performs close to ddr3 and that leaves about £40 for better mb or more ram which still puts the amd build ahead on performance but the original intel build with better ram would still be best bang for buck and maybe a different mb for the same price because there is lots out there for that price

 

[slothfish]

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Originally Posted by M3T4LM4N222 Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, its been shown that the 955 does better at higher resolution games in crossfire, there's no basically no difference when using desktop use unless all you use is multi-threaded applications. People who say it outperforms it by a lot must see everything in extreme slowmo because it won't even be more than .1 second faster in regular desktop use. And the reason why your intel build is cheaper: LGA 775, Cheap motherboard, Less RAM, DDR2 RAM. http://www.cnet.com.au/amd-phenom-ii...-339297523.htm

The i7 chips kill the 955 in everything except for games. Games do not determine everything. In fact, an overclocked Q9550 will outperform an i7 when gaming. You CAN notice a difference in everything else you do. I upgraded from a Q9550 to an i7 920 and the difference is huge. I can encode an entire dvd in about 5 minutes, it's absolutely ridiculous.

Taking that into account, comparing the Q9550 to the PhII955 makes sense. In fact the Q9550 actually outperforms it clock for clock.

 

[Georgegtb]

+ the i7 will do better in newer games to come but thats maybe a year or 2s time