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Hey, Im new to overclocking AND building PC's, i have some minimal experience with overclocking and I can build a PC(im using a PC built from salvaged parts to write this) Now i have decided to save up some money and build my own rig. The reason for the extreme budget is that i am only 12, but i have saved up 100 bucks this week. Anyways, as a newbie to building PC's I dont really understand how much my motherboard, power supply, and RAM are going to cost. So i was hoping that you could help me out in finding some stuff on newegg for my needs.
Heres what i plan on doing

Getting a Athlon 64 3000+ and a mobo and overclocking it to at least 2.4 Ghz.
Using a ThermalTake VENUS 12 80MM Ball fan and heatsink(What thermal coumpound should i use with this)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835106038

The preferable motherboard would have a single PCI-E slot
A feature full BIOS
The ability to raise the V-Core to 1.7 Volts
An onboard fan for the northbridge

Also this is a very noobish question:Can i use an ATI Graphics Card in an nVidia based mobo?

Thanks,
Ravicus

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Hi and welcome to Overclock!

Please fill out your current system specs

Now for a new motherboard, power supply, CPU and RAM it's going to be about $300-400 depending if you want a video card. Computers arent cheap bud.

And for that motherboard I recommend going to newegg.com and looking for a DFI motherboard, socket AM2. They have the fan for the northbridge and are arguably the best overclocking motherboards out there.

Have fun! And remember, if it still boots, you havn't overclocked it enough!
 

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My current system? LOL
P3 875 Mhz 256 mb of ram, onboard video, linux and ME on a 40 gig drive.
BTW, I can use a bunch of stuff from the thing im using, i got a free case with a seethrough door from my friend and i can also use salvaged drives, moniter, some of the cards, and a bunch of other stuff.
But here is my current plan of things i would plan on buying to build a computer(I was told that AM2 Isnt really worth the money.)

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817153023
30 Bucks
Fan: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835106038
27 bucks
HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822145088
54 Bucks
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231011
46 Bucks
MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813136160
77 Bucks
Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103537
55 Bucks
Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814131007
87 Bucks

Oh Wow I Stepped my to be rig up quite a bit

Total Price: $376

I could make this a bit cheaper by instead getting a 6600 GeForce for 50 bucks and getting a cheaper mobo with the same stats, also i might be able to get away without a aftermarket fan. With all those deductions my total price would be about 296 Bucks

For the time it would take to earn that money at $10 an hour, which build should i go with, full featured? or stripped down. You help me decide please.
 

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The reason for the extreme budget is that i am only 12, but i have saved up 100 bucks this week

thats impressive how did you do that?
 

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well its kind of hard to skimp on things like the psu if your going to be ocing your rig, maybe just wait a little while and save your money up a bit

and if you go am2 then you can still use the ram you have since its ddr2 which would save you some cash and stick with the stock heat sinc till you can afford a better one

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817104934
psu at 90$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103633
cpu 90$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131042
mobo83$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130052
vid 66$

about the cheapest i can think of 330$
 

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Im not gonna go vista, not worth it yet
Edit:The Specs in my posts are on my families computer, not mine, i cant take anything out of that thing.
100 bucks in a week? easy, 1.5 hours a day at 10 per hour. Sometimes i work more(im on break atm)
Edit 2:Ok ill change my prfile to MY computer
Edit 3: Hehe, My birthday and christmas are soon so free money galore
 

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My dad...

Do i really need a 90 buck PSU?


in all honesty yeah. the psu MADMAX22 linked to above is the one ive got and its pretty damn sweet will not let you down
 

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Ok i can save up for a nice PSU, i just didnt know it was THAT important.
He said to get a 3500, but according to the max stable oc chart the 3000 oc's better and its cheaper.
Comments?
Hehe, i just got back from washing and drying my dads car at 10 at night... 10 more bucks in my pocket

Well its almost 1 am, g2g thanks biatchi
 

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Hehe, i just got back from washing and drying my dads car at 10 at night... 10 more bucks in my pocket


sweet put it towards your new rig
 

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if you're looking for a cheaper stable psu, you should look into sparkle. They are supposed to be pretty stable and they are pretty cheap. You should do some more research first though cuz I'm not 100% sure but there's lots of reviews on newegg from satisfied customers.
 

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if you're looking for a cheaper stable psu, you should look into sparkle. They are supposed to be pretty stable and they are pretty cheap. You should do some more research first though cuz I'm not 100% sure but there's lots of reviews on newegg from satisfied customers.
FSP Sparkles(the 400w in particular) have a knack for staying within the 3% safe voltage limit(12.00V -> 12.36) and have two rails between 15-18A, providing as much as 320-360w on the 12V rail. If you're looking for cheap yet still want to overclock, they are certainly a good choice.

I was just talking to someone like you, and linked him to some parts...except unlike you, he's a lazy bum that plays DOTA all day long, and will never scrape together enough money.


I recommended he get something along this line:
Sempron 3000+
Biostar TForce 6100
1GB Generic DDR2
Nice case

Obviously you can scrap the case, since you only require a PSU.

The benefit of getting onboard video is you can skimp now, and save up for something better in a couple months. With the new 8 series set for release before Christmas, the 8800GTX should come down in price by ~April. Then you could pick up a card 2-4x faster than you chose for the same price.
Heck, by Christmas you could probably find 7600GT's for $80, so IMHO that's the way to go; suffer for a while so you can have many more months of enjoyment later.

Don't forget a DVD burner!


Oh, and if you aren't convinced, read the first review on the Sempron CPU...


Edit: Forgot to mention; the Mobo can be combo'd with a Seagate 320GB HD. Those HDs are very sweet performance and reliability wise.
 

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FSP Sparkles(the 400w in particular) have a knack for staying within the 3% safe voltage limit(12.00V -> 12.36) and have two rails between 15-18A, providing as much as 320-360w on the 12V rail. If you're looking for cheap yet still want to overclock, they are certainly a good choice.

I was just talking to someone like you, and linked him to some parts...except unlike you, he's a lazy bum that plays DOTA all day long, and will never scrape together enough money.


I recommended he get something along this line:
Sempron 3000+
Biostar TForce 6100
1GB Generic DDR2
Nice case

Obviously you can scrap the case, since you only require a PSU.

The benefit of getting onboard video is you can skimp now, and save up for something better in a couple months. With the new 8 series set for release before Christmas, the 8800GTX should come down in price by ~April. Then you could pick up a card 2-4x faster than you chose for the same price.
Heck, by Christmas you could probably find 7600GT's for $80, so IMHO that's the way to go; suffer for a while so you can have many more months of enjoyment later.

Don't forget a DVD burner!


Oh, and if you aren't convinced, read the first review on the Sempron CPU...


Yup. FSP owns. Look for a cheap FSP source or whatever, and you're set.
 

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Hmm, would it be advisable going AM2? Because once you are older, you cna put together a nice K8L rig (asuming it is supported). So as Kramy suggested an AM2 sempron would be good. However, with the ridiculous prices of DDR2...
 

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what do you want to use the computer for?
that processor seems fine, but personally if i had such a small budget i'd get an AM2 sempron since AM2 is upgradable and sempron's are VERY overclockable and VERY cheap.
then, i'd start it off with at the very least 512mb of ddr2 memory, if you can afford it get 1024mb.
we'll figure out a motherboard for you later, but if you're gaming then you'll need a graphics card..

however, i can't suggest that you do any of this until you tell us what you plan on using the computer for. if you want to build a budget multithreaded rig then i'd suggest a pentium d 805 - VERY overclockable, and dual core


either way, you're looking at a minimum of $250 here.
 

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250? Pshht I was already looking at something like 430... I was gonna go AM2 Athlon 64 3000+, you pay 5 bucks more and get 512 kb L2 Cache. Anyways, i plan on using it for light gaming(and i know RAM, and Video are important) but i can suffer until i get enough to buy 1 gb of GEIL ram now(for 120).

I guess sempron is better for gaming and OC'ing

No major games as im not allowed to play anything above teen and most good ones are above teen nowadays.

Edit:Will a 20+4 pin PSU be able to hook into a 24 pin mobo?
Noobish Question but needs to be answered.

Edit 2:Whats so great about Opterons?
 

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Dangit...

75 Dollars for BIOSTAR TForce 6100 AM2 Mobo w/ onboard video.

23 Dollars for ARTIC COOLING Freezer 64 Pro

54 Dollars for 160 GIG 8 MB Cache HDD

120 Dollars for
GeIL Ultra Series 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

51 Dollars for AMD Sempron 64 3000+ Manila 256 kb L2 Cache

67 Dollars for Fortron Source Blue Storm 400 Watt PSU

Total:390...

MUCH higher than i thought it would be... I have 2 ways to decrease this number

1. Get a less flashy PSU

2. get 512 of RAM to start.

Today i will mow the lawn... 10 dollars there and then i will ask for more jobs I WANT MY COMPUTER


Edit:Heres the updated version(im taking the directors advice and my previous instinct)

75 Dollars for BIOSTAR TForce 6100 AM2 Mobo w/ onboard video.

Stock HSF

54 Dollars for 160 GIG 8 MB Cache HDD

120 Dollars for
GeIL Ultra Series 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

51 Dollars for AMD Sempron 64 3000+ Manila 256 kb L2 Cache

44 Dollars for 75 Dollars for BIOSTAR TForce 6100 AM2 Mobo w/ onboard video.

54 Dollars for 160 GIG 8 MB Cache HDD

120 Dollars for
GeIL Ultra Series 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
80 Dollars for
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Orleans 2.0GHz 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor - Retail

44 Dollars for Sparkle 400 Watt PSU
 

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If you can swing it, get a 1G stick of RAM, that allows for the optimum upgradability down the road.
The PS usually come with 20/24 pin to cover both applications.
Also, avoid the Sempy if you can, they have very small on die cache.
The best low buck AM2 Athalon would be an Orleans with 512 cache vs the Sempys 128 or 256.

BTW, the retail CPUs HSF would do ok for now so long as you don't get to much voltage hungry. Then you could up the cooling later as necessary.
 
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