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[BSN] Apple ditches 32nm Arrandale, won't use Intel graphics

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Apple is the company that is known for always going on their own way and now it seems that the divide between Apple and Intel is wider than ever. According to sources close to the heart of the matter, Apple allegedly refused to adopt Intel's Arrandale and the Calpella platform in its default form. In order for Apple to implement Calpella design with their next refresh of Mac mini / MacBook / MacBook Pro lines, Intel will have to provide Apple with the 32nm version without the integrated graphics part. Again, we cannot confirm the information about the replacement CPU, we only know that Apple rejected Arrandale.

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I know, I know, it's BSN. But, it's saturday.

If this is accurate: Cheers to Apple for not using those POS.
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bring me back the apples with the 8600m gt.
Not completely surprised given how Apple's image is on high performance parts, especially graphics applications and Intel's inability to fulfill that with it's graphics. Mobile i7 and mobile HD5k series grapics maybe? Mobile i7 would offer superior CPU performance and HD5k would offer superior GPU performance in addition to the low power draw of both parts. That would make for quite a laptop beast!
I personally don't like Apple, but this a very good move. Intel has very bad graphics, but for most people it would have sufficed.

If Apple starts moving into high performance parts then it might bring in more buyers.
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I personally don't like Apple, but this a very good move. Intel has very bad graphics, but for most people it would have sufficed.

If Apple starts moving into high performance parts then it might bring in more buyers.

no it won't.

They are already in the high end market.

It is the price per performance ratio that sets them back.
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no it won't.

They are already in the high price market.

It is the price per performance ratio that sets them back.

Fixed your post.
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This is a big gamble by apple, because the new arrandale and clarksdale will be much higher performing and more power efficient then socket P core2duo. If Intel tells them to take a hike then apple will either have to suck it up or use inferior products. I personally don't understand what apple is going on about, these IGP's should be easily disabled in the bios.
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This is a big gamble by apple, because the new arrandale and clarksdale will be much higher performing and more power efficient then socket P core2duo. If Intel tells them to take a hike then apple will either have to suck it up or use inferior products. I personally don't understand what apple is going on about, these IGP's should be easily disabled in the bios.
Yea I don't see the big deal. Just disable the igp and use an nvidia chipset(for mobile) or something. That's what most the enthusiast are going to do anyway. I know this maybe harder for for notebooks though. To bad amd doesn't have a strong chip on mobile cause their igp is really good.
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This is a big gamble by apple, because the new arrandale and clarksdale will be much higher performing and more power efficient then socket P core2duo. If Intel tells them to take a hike then apple will either have to suck it up or use inferior products. I personally don't understand what apple is going on about, these IGP's should be easily disabled in the bios.
Apple works more off of name and quality than sheer performance. If Intel tells them to take a hike, then Apple would just simply go to AMD which would provide them with better IGPs anyways.

But, i seriously doubt Intel would tell them to take a hike. They're way to popular and sell way too much stuff. ( don't just think laptop, think desktop and mobile too )
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Also, nvidia can't make chipsets for the i5/i7 line last I checked. Aren't they and Intel in a legal battle over that? So basically, that means Apple needs an Intel chipset + proc - integrated + nvidia? If that means discreet cards for all laptops, I'm in.
Thank you Apple!

PC vendors shouldn't have the terrible Intel integrated graphics stuffed down their throats. Fight back, switch to AMD for low end parts!

Bundling Intel integrated on the CPU die is a very monopolistic move. Intel integrated is literally holding back the PC industry. It can't play games, and can barely even accelerate new windows OSs.
(somewhat off topic) noob question: would these chips w/ their integrated graphics perform differently when paired with a discrete graphics card perform differently than a more traditional cpu would?
Hooray apple for ditching intel's integrated crap-ics!
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Thank you Apple!

PC vendors shouldn't have the terrible Intel integrated graphics stuffed down their throats. Fight back, switch to AMD for low end parts!

Bundling Intel integrated on the CPU die is a very monopolistic move. Intel integrated is literally holding back the PC industry. It can't play games, and can barely even accelerate new windows OSs.
QFT. the GMA series of chips is quite awful.
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Please correct me if I am wrong (Which I probably will be) but how much power does OpenGL really require? My netbook with Ubuntu with GMA graphics works very well.
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Please correct me if I am wrong (Which I probably will be) but how much power does OpenGL really require? My netbook with Ubuntu with GMA graphics works very well.

Apple has OpenGL accelerated App's, and for that matter, it took Intel something like 6 months to work out HD on there GMA x4500HD IGP after it's release when it was marketed as 1080p Blu Ray Playback.

While at the same time, AMD/ATi & nVidia had 1080p Blu Ray Playback for over 1 year previous to Intel's launch of the GMA x4500HD chipset.
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I am actually getting a macbook soon, and am quite happy with the new ones that they were using Nvidia graphics, instead of when they used to use built in Intel graphics

that was the only thing i didn't like about macbooks in the past, granted never have owned one but still
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I am actually getting a macbook soon, and am quite happy with the new ones that they were using Nvidia graphics, instead of when they used to use built in Intel graphics

that was the only thing i didn't like about macbooks in the past, granted never have owned one but still
All the decent apple computers do not have the intel ****ty graphics. It's only the bottom of the bottom that had them anyway. I guess they are saying they want use this for there cheap ones? The higher end lines always had nvida and ati as far as I know.
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All the decent apple computers do not have the intel ****ty graphics. It's only the bottom of the bottom that had them anyway. I guess they are saying they want use this for there cheap ones? The higher end lines always had nvida and ati as far as I know.

yea that's how it was in the past, not getting a macbook for the software, i don't care much for Apple software (no offense to Apple users) just like the overall design of the macbook
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All the decent apple computers do not have the intel ****ty graphics. It's only the bottom of the bottom that had them anyway. I guess they are saying they want use this for there cheap ones? The higher end lines always had nvida and ati as far as I know.

Apple may be pissed because in the Arrandale CPUs they'll have to pay for the graphics core, too, although they're unlikely to use it. Also, they must pay for the chipset (H57m) which is nothing but a southbridge. Apple imho has a problem with the whole package, which overall isn't better performing then the current 9400M+C2D/C2Q lineup.
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