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[Build Log] Fast n' Cheap:



I finally cracked and I went for an all new build.

Here is what I obtained for a 1440p, 144Hz Gaming Computer:

01. RYZEN 7 3700X - Canada Computers $409.00 (redeemed The Outer Worlds with the CPU) (3 year warranty)
02. Noctua NH-D15 SSO2 D-Type Premium CPU Cooler, NF-A15 x 2 PWM Fans - newegg.ca $99.95 (6 year warranty)
03. ASUS TUF GAMING X570-PLUS AMD AM4 X570 ATX - Canada Computers $189.00 (3 year warranty)
04. G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 3600 16-19-19-39 CAS Latency 16 1.35V - newegg.ca $183.99 (lifetime)
05. MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT - Canada Computers $458.88 (redeemed Borderlands 3 with the GPU) (3 year warranty)
06. Corsair Force Series Gen.4 PCIe MP600 500GB NVMe M.2 SSD - Amazon.ca $184.87 (5 year warranty)
07. Seagate BarraCuda ST3000DM008 3TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" HDD - newegg.ca $101.99 (2 year warranty)
08. Veddha GriderCase alpha V1 Water Cooling Motherboard Test Bench Open Air Frame - Amazon.ca $106.14 (1 year warranty)
09. Fractal Design Ion+ 860P 80 PLUS Platinum Certified 860W Full Modular Compact ATX Power Supply with UltraFlex Cables - PC Canada $175.99 (10 year warranty)
10. Redragon K589 SHRAPNEL RGB Low Profile Mechanical Gaming Keyboard - Amazon.ca $51.99 (2 year warranty with registration or if purchased directly from Redragon)
11. Logitech G502 Hero High Performance Gaming Mouse (Firmware v.127.1.7) - Amazon.ca $75.06 (1 year warranty)
12. PulseLabz Challenger Gaming Chair - PulseLabz $274.99 (10 year warranty)

Grand Total (Taxes + Shipping - Rebate): $2632.30

The mouse and chair broke recently, so I had to replace them. I was also tired of squinting at the weak mono red leds on the Logitech G15 keyboard. If you don't need any of those then the total cost including the $20 rebate on the GPU would have been $1949.82. If I would have reused my EVGA G2 PSU the total would have been $1875.24. Now if I would have completely pillaged my current PC and also reused the HDD, Case and Cooler (probably would have needed an AM4 bracket) the grand total would have been $1521.87. I had a budget of ~$1500 in mind but the Black Friday sales kept coming and once you start you can't stop!

The Optical Drive will be an LG 16X SATA Blu-Ray Internal Rewriter with 3D Playback and M-DISC Support Optical Drive BH16NS40 that I received as a replacement from LG for a defective one and has been sitting in a drawer. I will also use two of the excess Corsair Air Series SP120 PWM I have kicking around.

I plan on doing a lot of experimenting, sort of what I did with "The Hawaiian Heat Wave" (in sig), so stay tuned. Refer to posts #13 and #28 for ideas on what's to come from this build log.

Let me know what you think and leave a comment!

BUILD INDEX:

01. How can I tell if my RAM is compatible with my Motherboard? (page 03 - post #021)

02. Register your computer hardware. (page 03 - post #024)

03. PulseLabz Challenger gaming chair assembly. (page 03 - post #25)

04. Join relevant clubs for your build. (page 04 - post #32)

05. Steps to take after installing Windows 10. (page 4 - post #40)

06. What tools should I use to help me test the stability of my overclocks for CPU, GPU and RAM. (page 5 - post #42)

07. How well does my last PC "The Hawaiian Heat Wave" - 4770K @ 4.5GHz and 2 x R9 290 OC'd in CFX compare with my new PC "Fast n' Furious" - 3700X and 5700 XT Stock? (page 5 - post #43)

08. DX11 vs. DX12 in Borderlands 3. (page 5 - post #47)

09. Does Win 10 Game Mode enhance FPS? (page 5 - post #48)

10. Hardware Unboxed Borderlands 3 tweaks for improved performance with hardly any loss to visual fidelity. (page 5 - post #49)

11. Review of the Veddha GriderCase alpha V1. (page 7 - post #67)

12. RX 5700 XT Core 2000MHz OC vs. 1755MHz Stock. (page 7 - post #69)

13. Review of the Fractal Design Ion+ 860P. (page 8 - post #71)

14. Culminating results for GPU OC. (page 8 - post #80)

15. Does manually setting the Infinity Fabric in the Bios make a difference? (page 9 - post #81)

16. Does Enabling PBO Advancced + OC 200MHz in Bios Make a Difference? (page 9 - post #82)

17. RAM OC. (page 9 - post #85)

18. SSD speed comparisons between a good SATA SSD and a Gen 4 M.2 SSD. (page 9 - post #87)

19. Neon Noir Ray Tracing Benchmark. (page 9 - post #89) (page 10 - post #94)

20. Cumulative combined OC results. (page 9 - post #88)

21. How to Bench like a Pro. (page 10 - post #97)
 

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I've fulfilled the orders as described above.

The only two components that I was able to obtain locally were the mobo and CPU:



I did ask for constructive critisism. But none was forthcoming; either I was spot on, I posted too late last night or people are generally apathetic.

Anyway, I did catch a potential error in my build. I originally ordered the Crucial MX500 M.2 2280 500GB SATA III 3D NAND Internal SSD which has a different interface connector then the M.2 Gen3 & 4:



I noticed that there are limited vendors of M.2 Gen4 PCIe x4. All I could find are M.2 Gen4s from Corsair, Patriot, Gigabyte and Seagate. I think early days which also makes them more pricey.

I assume M.2 Gen3, where the interface connector is similar to M.2 Gen4, will work on X570 mobos?

Let me know what you think so far!
 

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Hi,
I haven't ever tried a asus tuf amd board before but the intel tuf boards are actually pretty good/ cheap and frankly all my highest benchmarks are on it :)
 

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I assume M.2 Gen3, where the interface connector is similar to M.2 Gen4, will work on X570 mobos?

Let me know of what you think so far!
PCIe is backwards compatible,to my knowledge,I don’t think you’ll encounter any problems..
After all,it was shown that gen 4 works pretty fast on gen 3,I don’t see why it shouldn’t work the other way around..

Nice build you got planned out there , hope you get the parts quickly :thumb:
 

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I haven't ever tried a asus tuf amd board before but the intel tuf boards are actually pretty good/ cheap and frankly all my highest benchmarks are on it :)
In my research, I ran into the Hardware Unboxed video where they discuss the best X570 mobos in certain price ranges and in my case the notable ones where from Asus and Gigabyte. The Asus TUF looked like the overall winner especially when it came to temps and it helped that it was the cheapest in price.



PCIe is backwards compatible,to my knowledge,I don’t think you’ll encounter any problems..
After all,it was shown that gen 4 works pretty fast on gen 3,I don’t see why it shouldn’t work the other way around..

Nice build you got planned out there , hope you get the parts quickly :thumb:
Thanks for the kind words. I hope I get the parts soon as well!!
 

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The Asus TUF looked like the overall winner especially when it came to temps and it helped that it was the cheapest in price
The TUF is a good choice indeed,the VRMs are solid plus it has troubleshooting features that others don’t ,which makes it a win in my book...

I have been planning to go Ryzen in both my systems for a while now,but the(only)X570 mATX from asrock is..anemic to say the least...It can accommodate with proper VRM cooling up to a 8-core,at least thats what I’m comfortable with putting in it,should I go that road in the end...

My dream would be a 3900X in my main system and a 3600 in the missus’ system....but that’s a long way from happening anytime soon,lol

But,back to your real build now,I’m guessing the 5700XT will be the Gaming one , or perhaps the
Mech OC?
 

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The TUF is a good choice indeed,the VRMs are solid plus it has troubleshooting features that others don’t ,which makes it a win in my book...

I have been planning to go Ryzen in both my systems for a while now,but the(only)X570 mATX from asrock is..anemic to say the least...It can accommodate with proper VRM cooling up to a 8-core,at least thats what I’m comfortable with putting in it,should I go that road in the end...

My dream would be a 3900X in my main system and a 3600 in the missus’ system....but that’s a long way from happening anytime soon,lol

But,back to your real build now,I’m guessing the 5700XT will be the Gaming one , or perhaps the
Mech OC?
I delayed my build for a while being put off by the general fleecing when it came to hardware and software. I managed to save quite a bit and decided to only splurge now.

Any new build hinged on finding a reasonably priced video card. So to answer your question, I purchased an MSI RX 5700 XT (reference). Yes, I'm hearing a loud gasp now.

The card was the cheapest 5700 XT I could find in Canada. I bought it from Canada Computers for $458.88 (after a $20 rebate). I figure since it comes with Borderlands 3 and I was considering buying the game ($80 CAD) to play with my daughter and son in-law, I managed to gnash and claw my way to a card for under $400. The price was in line with the build theme. I had to pull every trick in the book to match the US regular retail price. Sheesh...

I'm sure my reference MSI RX 5700 XT won't be able to hit the better AIBs' performance but I will try my best by introducing some washers, tightening the screws on the GPU bracket, using a reasonable fan curve and undervolting. I don't think I'm missing any other tricks?
 

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So to answer your question, I purchased an MSI RX 5700 XT (reference). Yes, I'm hearing a loud gasp now.

I'm sure my reference MSI RX 5700 XT won't be able to hit the better AIBs' performance but I will try my best by introducing some washers, tightening the screws on the GPU bracket, using a reasonable fan curve and undervolting. I don't think I'm missing any other tricks?
*Gasp!!!* :p

No , you pretty much nailed it on what you’ll have to do to get the best out of that card...When it comes,with a little trial and error,you can surely get it running adequately for your needs..

Plus you can always strap an accelero on it or something on a later date,or watercool the whole thing !
 

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*Gasp!!!* :p

No , you pretty much nailed it on what you’ll have to do to get the best out of that card...When it comes,with a little trial and error,you can surely get it running adequately for your needs..

Plus you can always strap an accelero on it or something on a later date,or watercool the whole thing !
Yeah, I don't see why not, I have everything for a custom loop. Once I get bored with the air setup, all I have to do is buy the waterblock. Heck, I hear that the RX 5700 XT is similar in design to the R9 290. I may even throw the R9 290 waterblock on (making sure I'm not crushing anything) for giggles.

R9 290 bare PCB:



RX 5700 XT bare PCB:



Ok, maybe not but looks very close and I could probably offset the spacing of the VRAMs and VRMs with the strategic placement of the thermal pads. If not, well by that point the GPU waterblock might come down to around $100 CAD.
 

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Yeah, I don't see why not, I have everything for a custom loop. Once I get bored with the air setup, all I have to do is buy the waterblock. Heck, I hear that the RX 5700 XT is similar in design to the R9 290. I may even throw the R9 290 waterblock on (making sure I'm not crushing anything) for giggles.
Lol,before jimmy rigging it,go for something cheaper that you know that works
 

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Lol,before jimmy rigging it,go for something cheaper that you know that works
I completely forgot that the GPU has a thermal cloth instead of thermal paste. This video will serve as a reminder should or maybe more appropriately when I decided to open the card.

I also have tons left over of the Fujipoly thermal pads that I can use on the heatsink and backplate!
 

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I also have tons left over of the Fujipoly thermal pads that I can use of the heatsink and backplate!
Those will surely do the trick...let’s just hope you’ll be able to game without the card going like a jet engine...

The last blower reference card I has was a HD5770,and boy was it loud..but I didn’t mind it at the time cause well,it could run Crysis,lol
 

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Based on the last few posts, I think I will:

1. Bench the card unaltered to see where the boost clocks go in addition to thermals and sound.
2. Bench the card unaltered to see where overclocks can go.
3. Bench the card to see where the boost clocks go in addition to thermals and sound after I've applied thermal paste, added Fujipoly pads (front and back) and used washers.
4. Bench the altered card to see whether we have overclock gains.
 

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Sounds like a plan...case airflow should probably play its part also..So try and get a good one that fits your budget(+1 on the Lancool,btw)
 

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I’ve always entertained the idea of getting an open air bench myself,and that certainly looks very nice..

But my ocd would go crazy if I couldn’t get all the cables etc hidden to my liking,lol



Don’t know squat about the Canadian dollar,so I don’t know if you could get an airflow oriented case for cheaper than that,but as open air benches go,that certainly looks boss..

It’ll make the build and build log more unique for sure :thumb:
 

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I decided to go unconventional with the basic model open test bench case from Amazon.ca for $106.14.

Veddha Grider Case Water Cooling Motherboard Test Bench Open Air Frame:



Cable management is going to be fun!
 

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Parts keep trickling in!

I was surprised to get the PulseLabz Challenger chair today. I ordered it yesterday from them directly. I did speak to an agent (via e-mail) and he assured me a speedy delivery and I asked him to take care of it personally and he did. Good Canadian company based out of Vancouver!



Newegg.ca also fulfilled my order with delivery of the CPU Heatsink, RAM and HDD.



All that's left is my Amazon.ca order. I have a sneaking suspicion that the case, also ordered through Amazon.ca, is being delivered from China with an approximation delivery date as late as Jan 16, 2020 - yikes!
 

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This is the last of them; the M.2 SSD and mouse!

The RX 5800 XT is with my brother in-law (availability was none existent in my town) and like I said the case will be delivered sometime between Dec 23 and Jan 16.

 

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After speaking with shilka, I decided to leave my EVGA G2 PSU in The Hawaiian Heat Wave rig (in sig) and go for a Fractal Design Ion+ 860P 80 PLUS Platinum Certified 860W Full Modular Compact ATX Power Supply with UltraFlex Cables. They are selling for double the price in Canada. On newegg.ca they are selling for $234.44 and $29.99 shipping no less and on Amazon.ca for $249.99 with free shipping. No BlackFriday incentives whatsoever.

With a little more digging, I managed to buy one at PC-Canada for $175.44 and they offered a BlackFriday promo code for free shipping! One caveat, they are on a two week back order. No hurry though, it might take longer for my case to get here.

I think this well built (10 year warranty to boot), small form factor PSU with the latest power saving features and customizable zero RPM mode will be a better addition to my open air case!
 
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