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Let me start by thanking you for stopping by!

I am rather new here at Overclock.net but thought this was a good a place as any to post up my recent WC endeavor for my AMD 965 BE c3 and twin 450 GTS sonic platinums by Palit. Criticisms and critiques welcome! As always happy
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cooling!

Base System

Air cooled AMD 965 BE c3
2x Palit GTS 450 SP SLi
8 gig G.Skill 12800 DDR3 9-9-9-24-1T
TT Tsunami Case
NB-Noisetaker mod CPU fan on original HS
Couple random fans to channel air to the Vid cards

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The case is really cramped and the airflow coupled with poor cable management really lets the whole thing down.

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The donor machine with all the goodies it will be put with.

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Phobya G-Changer 1.2 Black 360 Radiator very pleasantly surprised by the overall build quality but the lack of included brass cap fittings left me using 2x plastic fittings, which is a shame.
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First things first, using distilled white vinegar 5% by volume at about a 10% distilled water to agent, clean the radiator. I was really surprised by the amount of particulate that was ejected.

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Stock CPU HS with the melted thermal pad, over time this thing has started to crap out.

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Processor out and cleaned up, time to try my hand at lapping and see if I can build some life into the old girl.

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EK WB Supreme HF Gold Edition, very polished although, like other EK CPU blocks there is a slight wave in the reflection so the surface is not entirely flat, but its close.

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This is really really slow process!
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After a couple of hours I arrived at about my limit, maybe when I redo the Artic Silver 5 in a couple months I will try to bring out more luster.
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The EK products are really very good, though again, like others have said the top of the block does have some tell tale machining marks, but it is a mirror surface other than that.

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This case was never really designed to mount such a large radiator, but with a couple of hours of tinkering with padding/different length screws, a couple zip ties, and even more neoprene its in place and very secure. Not sure what I want to do yet with all the cable ends (molex) so I left em, may go back later and rewire them all around to clean it up.
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The Palit GTS 450 Sonic Platinum runs the Gf 106 processor, and cleaned up is mirror finished stock, other than the etching of the Nvidia logo. I suspect part of these cards ability and OC out of the box is due to the PCBs being quite stiff, but note how the VRs and Ram makes no contact with the cooling HS. This lets these cards down in a big way in SLi. Very hot and crashtastical. Again the EK VGA Supreme WB is VERY high quality.

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XSPC res-top with the swiftech 355, good combo as long as the flow is restrictive enough to keep the pump from spinning up too much/heating up. The case has lots of airflow, but I also mounted another 120mm to give it a cross flow. Later on that NB will be replaced with a NZXT 120mm as it makes less racket. Measure once cut twice, eventually I had to redrill the mounting holes to get the plumping back another inch. By the by probably a good idea to use a level when mounting the pump so that it is level/even.

This pump does get quite hot, and without some kind of airflow will be scorching to the touch.

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Several hours later its time to fill her up! The Fesser tubing I used is 1/2 ID and is quite stiff for what it is, getting the case plumbed was easily one of the most frustrating parts of the build. Notice the two Bitspower Shining Silver Y adapters for the video cards. This method requires that all the tubing be of equal length when in parallel to avoid pressure differentials.

On that note all the fittings I used were Bitspower Shining Silver G1/4 with Primochill (probably bulk rate) spring clips. If ya leak, its not from the fittings to tube, its likely from a fitting to block/res.

I ran into one leak on the fillport mod I used on the res top, this fitting when replacing the stock plastic cap with the 1/2" ID barb must be quite tight or else it will leak given a long enough time. (Took around 4 hours to start leaking).

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Wire up the lights/ UV and Leds

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UVs are quite bright, if you through enough square footage at it!
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Its overkill but both EK VGA blocks I utilized the 5mm led inserts and installed 1 Blue and 1 UV in each.

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2 Blue 5mm led in the XSPC res-top

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A slight mod to the NZXT phantom case (another mod) was to install the side 200mm fan to the outside of the case, using a little longer screw and drilling holes through the mesh grill to the brackets. Installing the dust filter to the fan and using neoprene gaskets help seal and add a layer of anti vibration to this setup. This fan installed internally takes up WAYYYY to much space inside the case to even think about plumbing a system with large tubing. A theme in this build was 20 LBS of **** in a 10 LBS bag!
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Topside we have 2x 200mm NZXT fans one in pull (over the CPU and out) and one in Push, down over the Mainboard ram and over the Res/top. This makes for a good turbulent flow in the center of the case, everything is cool to the touch. NZXT was good enough to include 2 200mm dust filters so all intakes are dust protected with a fine mesh.

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Very industrial coming off the back of this thing, note the fill line zipped to the Rad, that line connects to the fillport on the XSPC res/top and remains just a hair higher that the drain port on the G-changer, this makes bleeding the system very easy to do. The rad is cooled by 6x Yate Mediums at 1600 RPM and are really quite quiet considering they are not on a controller. (all other fans use the 5 channel 20w a channel included fan controller with the case).

Bleeding was accomplished using 2 jugs of distilled water (1 empty 1 full) and a do it yourself brake bleeding kit from autozone. The whole process to get it full without perceptible noise or cavitating the pump took about an hour.

It was important to me to bleed this system as well as it could be bleed, wayyyyy to many post on Overclock.net concerning poor bleeding jobs/noise/temps/pump frys. Just assume not go down that road.
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UV's off, the led still light up the case and the general area of the room.

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Same picture with the flash turned on. Sorta difficult to photograph these things.
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The Palit cards with new ramsinks and vrsinks from enzotech low profile Cu sinks. No bending required, there was just enough clearance with spring clips (compression fittings may not of been as lucky). Rotary fittings may of made this easier as well come to think of it!
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The case offered exceptional cable management, BUT 2 complaints are the plastic retention/spring clips that hold the side panels on. Being plastic one was broken out of the box, which I had to repair, but with sooo much stuff simply shoehorned into this case, they will probably fail again sooner rather than later. The other complaint is that the case could of used another 1" in width. It is very tight to get the panels on and off the case, and while it looks good there is just not the space behind the mobo that one would expect when wiring lots of goodies together.

I think it looks pretty sharp, and it is very quite with the nzxt fans and controller built in, though as a water cooling platform (for any serious build beyond a dinky kit) it is quite tight, for a full tower.
 

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Benching/Stability

So life according to the Official AMD 955/965 OC club one needs to complete 2 hours of prime95 and come up with a G.flop score.

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Off to the races!
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2 and a half hours later... with all 4 cores loaded the cpu at 4.125 Ghz achieved a mind bending 42c at 23c ambient. Personally I have NEVER seen this chip (the one I own) get anywhere close to that on air, nor be this stable.
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Best of 5 yields a 52.3831 G.Flops @ 17.064s, again, thats pretty amazing stuff for a AMD 965!

Couple tweaks I managed to get my volts down and my flops up to within 53 Gflops, yaaa go me!
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Unigine Benchmark is about what I expected with these overclocks. Until 3dMark and Nvidia work out there differences no SLi Benching in 3dMark11.

New Nvidia drivers let 3dmark11 run in SLi, but the results are sorta meh, Unigine is still my preferred stability bench for video cards. Speaking of which hit some really good scores recently with a BIG bump in OC' on the GPUs Unigine is now 954~955 a 4% gain.
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Not including the cooling setup, these scores are really respectable considering combined they retail under 300$ US and are DX11 Compatible.

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Hard to see with this picture, but at 35 minutes under kombuster the video cards have hardly broken a sweat at 34c with a 23c ambient. This is really amazing considering these cards would typically hit the mid 70's to low 80's on card one and 65-75c on card two under similar conditions, with much less of an overclock!
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What is there to say at this point really? Mission accomplished!

Results

When I started this project I figured it would be fun, and it was, sometimes so much fun I wanted to throw things! Also, I wanted to find 5c with a bigger OC than the 3.7ish that I was running on air. I had no idea I would be able to get 4.1+ in the high 30's low 40's, thats HUGE.

Video cards on these blocks are simply insane, parallel with restrictive blocks is a way to go, and on there own, simply do not generate the heat to move this loop more than a degree or so. Really beyond expectation here!

At 42-43 degree C on the CPU loaded with loaded video cards the temperature wall just never comes into play, as long as the room stays in and around 22-24c this thing will go all day stable and cool.

Conclusion

I am really glad I went with water cooling as a project, it was a lot of fun, rewarding, and productive. My computer runs much much much cooler at a fraction of the noise level.

It is expensive for what it is, and there are no warranties once you take this stuff out of the shrink wrap. Leaving this sort of upgrade to die hards and enthusiast.

I used two vendors for this build, performance-pcs.com and aquatuning.us both of which were very quick in delivering there products, no real issues here.

The NZXT Phantom case had a slight damage on one fastener, but all in all, considering I picked the thing up right at 100$ I really have no room to complain.

I really do not think anyone else would bother with this sort of build, just happens that I did, but it has been interesting to see just how fast fast can be, and beyond the thermal limitations, just how good/ or not good the current manufactured products really are.

Thanks for stopping by!
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Phobya G-Changer v1.2 Black 360mm Rad w/ 6x Yate Loon Mediums @ 1600RPM Push/Pull w/ 6-8mm neoprene shrouds/rubber decouplers

Swiftech 355 with XSPC res/top modded filler port to accept G1/4 barbs

Fesser UV white tubing

EK Supreme HF Gold Plate #3 (it came with plate 2 installed which I thought was odd), used AS5 TIM, so I expect that the temps will improve over time, then start to unimprove in a couple months.

EK VGA Supreme Nickel Plexi blocks in parallel, Y adapters are Bitspower Shining Silver Y's, used AS MX-2 TIM, being a little thicker it was easier to work with when installing these blocks.

All Bitspower barbs w/ spring clips, 3/4 of the orings changed to UV reactive, noticeable if your looking.

NZXT Phantom Case 3x 200mm fan, 140mm, 3x 120mm fans on 5ch 20watt per channel controller (came with it)

I figure all in all my water delta T is around 5.5-6.5c, at right around 2.0+- GPM, which is not bad on one little pump.
 

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Great Job man ;D
 

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Slight mod to the MCP 355 Swiftech Laing 3.2 pump... as a response to some end users stating that their pumps were crapping out... I noticed on one side of my pump that it was in fact "hotter" than the others... due to airflow... but this simple mod cost less than 5 bucks and took less than 5 minutes to do... and now the thing stays quite cool to the touch... used an AS ceramique TIM and the aluminium sinks are the T-220 from radio shack... if I recall, and are "just" the right size...
 

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Nice rig! How did you manage to mount the 360 rad like that?
 

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That looks awesome! And greeat temps too. Hopefully I will setting my water loop soon.

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I appreciate the comments on the rig, theres been a few changes since these post and I certainly could use some time in the picture taking thread to get some better images, all in all, I have really enjoyed the project and have found water to be the way to go so long as you dont mind the time put in factor.

The next set of little mods are going to be aesthetic with the kanji for Yukikaze painted on the drive door, and a glass/acrylic mod above the 2 drive 120mm fans... then theres bulldozer later in the year and some new video cards... hard to say.
 
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