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Tax return season is upon us and I've got about $1.6k burning a hole in my pocket. That being said I think its time to say goodbye to my 3770k rig and do another 5 year revamp. When building the 3770k system I went for top of the line hardware but since I have been out of the tech world for a while I'd like to double check with you guys if my money is going in the right place. Price point is not a problem, as I'm going to be keeping a hold of these new parts for at least another 5 years. Main use is video editing, gaming, music production/recording.

CPU: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117827&ignorebbr=1
Mobo: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813119032&ignorebbr=1
RAM: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820232218
Cooling: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181139&ignorebbr=1
SSD: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...147674&cm_re=500gb_ssd-_-20-147-674-_-Product

Are these parts worth it? Is there anything better I could substitute for them? This was just a quick 30 minute search, I'd like to order the parts ASAP so I'd rather just go here than browsing through all the forums trying to min-max the build. My main point of query is the vast array of motherboards available, and the RAM timings/frequencies. Is CL 14/3200mhz the best or is there something that would run "faster"?

Current parts I'm keeping in my system are a 1200W PSU, GTX 1080, and an 250GB SSD and a 1TB HDD.
 

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You are not going to use at least one of the M.2 spots on that mobo for at least a NVME boot drive?
Is having the extra M.2 spot the only reason for buying that motherboard? Is there no other benefit compared to other mobos? One of the reasons I picked this board was for the good onboard audio CODEC. Thanks for your comment.
 

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Why I picked the air cooler. http://www.overclock.net/forum/61-w...y-you-should-probably-not-buy-clc-cooler.html

Ram is subjective. Don't need fast timings with coffee lake. Just trying to save a little money. $$$ And right now that's very important!

MOBO is Subjective also. Both are good.
Going to take a look at that thread, my friend has liquid cooling and its so quite and his CPU stays way cooler than mine under load. Maybe I just have a cheap fan? It was like $40 and he has the older H100. Why is RAM subjective, and can you explain why faster timings are not needed with 8th gen? Thanks.
Edit: Read the thread and it said the H110i is a good recommendation, so my guess would be the H150i would be good as well?
 

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Is having the extra M.2 spot the only reason for buying that motherboard? Is there no other benefit compared to other mobos? One of the reasons I picked this board was for the good onboard audio CODEC. Thanks for your comment.
Not the only reason, but a NVME drive will significantly shorten your boot time, even over a "traditional" SSD.
 

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Not the only reason, but a NVME drive will significantly shorten your boot time, even over a "traditional" SSD.
Would you suggest grabbing an NVME over the 500GB SSD that I had listed then? Any recommendations as which to look for? Any other reasons you would list for that Mobo over others besides the m.2 and audio codec?
 

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Going to take a look at that thread, my friend has liquid cooling and its so quite and his CPU stays way cooler than mine under load. Maybe I just have a cheap fan? It was like $40 and he has the older H100. Why is RAM subjective, and can you explain why faster timings are not needed with 8th gen? Thanks.
If was building a Ryzen PC then I would get the faster timings. You have a much better chance of hitting 3200mhz with samsung b-die memory. Coffeelake should work without issue all day with just about any 3200mhz kit. Plus I don't think you will notice the difference in speed. Here see for yourself.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews...e_Lake_Memory_Performance_Benchmark_Analysis/
 

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Would you suggest grabbing an NVME over the 500GB SSD that I had listed then? Any recommendations as which to look for? Any other reasons you would list for that Mobo over others besides the m.2 and audio codec?

Most z370 boards have M.2 capabilty, well, all of the ones I looked at did. In fact all the ones I looked at had at least two. I went with one with enough capacity for an OS (and some additional programs, I didn't go all out (Samsung 960), but it is noticeably quicker than the 840 Evo I have in my current system.

It is something to consider, but the price for a similar size to the SSD you have chosen will be higher. The Samsung 960 Pro NVME 512GB drive is about $307 on Newegg.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147596

You can find cheaper 500GB NVME drives out there, but as far as I have looked, most others are slightly slower. The 128GB one I got was the Plextor M8PeG 128GB, at less than a third of the price of the 512Gb Samsung 960 Pro. $98.99 from Superbiz when I got it.

As far as other criteria for the board you choose that depends on what you are looking for. I ended up choosing the Gigabyte Arous Gaming 7 as it has 3 M.2 connectors. I am going to put two of them with 1GB drives in RAID0 (not NVME) for my games drive and the third already has the NVME boot drive. I wasn't interested in features like the on board sound (I use a DAC and powered speakers) or Wi-Fi, so that eliminated a lot of boards from my search.

But as I said, since pretty much every Z370 board has M.2 as a feature, might as well take advantage, at least for boot/OS. And maybe enough more room for the programs you use the most.

And the boot times are as much a revelation as going from a fast mechanical drive to an SSD was for me.
 

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Tax return season is upon us and I've got about $1.6k burning a hole in my pocket. That being said I think its time to say goodbye to my 3770k rig and do another 5 year revamp. When building the 3770k system I went for top of the line hardware but since I have been out of the tech world for a while I'd like to double check with you guys if my money is going in the right place. Price point is not a problem, as I'm going to be keeping a hold of these new parts for at least another 5 years. Main use is video editing, gaming, music production/recording.

CPU: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117827&ignorebbr=1
Mobo: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813119032&ignorebbr=1
RAM: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820232218
Cooling: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181139&ignorebbr=1
SSD: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...147674&cm_re=500gb_ssd-_-20-147-674-_-Product

Are these parts worth it? Is there anything better I could substitute for them? This was just a quick 30 minute search, I'd like to order the parts ASAP so I'd rather just go here than browsing through all the forums trying to min-max the build. My main point of query is the vast array of motherboards available, and the RAM timings/frequencies. Is CL 14/3200mhz the best or is there something that would run "faster"?

Current parts I'm keeping in my system are a 1200W PSU, GTX 1080, and an 250GB SSD and a 1TB HDD.
That cpu is not the top of the line, especially since you said video editing before gaming.

Start here.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117795&cm_re=i9-_-19-117-795-_-Product

If that is to much, they have a 8 core for 600

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16819117794

You get either of those to 4.5 4.8 on all cores, the difference between them and a 8700k for gaming would be not noticable. The difference in reduced time for video editing, between them would be a huge difference.

To be honest though, with ryzen, I do not see the point in wasting that kind of money on a intel for editing. You could more than likely build 2 computers, for the price of that i9, one with a 8600k which would net you 0 difference in gaming over a 8700k 5ghz, and a ryzen 1700, which overclocked to 4.0 would almost be on par with that 600 dollar intel as far as editing is concerned. A 1700 overclocked to 4.0 all cores beats a stock 8 core thread ripper.

So by building the ryzen for editing, and the 8600k for gaming. You would end up with the best of both worlds, and could game while editing ect.


That is showing a stock 8 core intel the one for 600 it got 1725 in cinebench 15, my ryzen 1700 at 4.0 all cores got 1730. I took that back though and bought a 8700k because I do 0 editing, and the 8700k got 30-60 more fps in amra 3. As I said though, the 1700 is only like 270, and a 8600k is only like 270, and that is still cheaper than a 8 core intel. The 8600k would easily overclock to 5 ghz, and the ryzen to 4 and bam, you have some serious compute power for almost the same price. Considering those stupid x boards cost more than a z370, and a ab 370. The only thing that would be the most expensive is the ram, but it would be worth it.
 

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That cpu is not the top of the line, especially since you said video editing before gaming.

Start here.
That CPU is not top of the line, you should probably look at getting a pair of EPYC 7551s.
 

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That CPU is not top of the line, you should probably look at getting a pair of EPYC 7551s.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+EPYC+7451&id=3164&cpuCount=2

Yeah at 4000 dollars you would get about the same as this https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...9117836&cm_re=i9_7980x-_-19-117-836-_-Product, except with that amd thing, you literally couldnt do anything else. At least with the 2000 dollar i9 you could still game, and overclock it to 5ghz. I am not really sure why you decided to bring a amd server cpu into it, its purpose has nothing to do with video editing or the like. I mean that amd cpu has nothing to do with this conversation at all, it in no way would be worth 4000 dollars for video editing, gaming, or music stuff. It was made for servers and virtual machines.

I mean this is dual 7601s and it gets lol 4900, that is 64 cores and 128 threads
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The i9 is 18cores 36 threads, and it gets 3900

I am very confused as to why you thought that server processor would be for video editing.
 

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If was building a Ryzen PC then I would get the faster timings. You have a much better chance of hitting 3200mhz with samsung b-die memory. Coffeelake should work without issue all day with just about any 3200mhz kit. Plus I don't think you will notice the difference in speed. Here see for yourself.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews...e_Lake_Memory_Performance_Benchmark_Analysis/
So basically with a coffee lake rig I dont need to worry about timings and mainly just buy based on frequency? If thats the case I could buy more than 3200mhz and have increased performance without having to check for timings? What would samsung b-die memory be? First time I've heard of it.
 

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Most z370 boards have M.2 capabilty, well, all of the ones I looked at did. In fact all the ones I looked at had at least two. I went with one with enough capacity for an OS (and some additional programs, I didn't go all out (Samsung 960), but it is noticeably quicker than the 840 Evo I have in my current system.

It is something to consider, but the price for a similar size to the SSD you have chosen will be higher. The Samsung 960 Pro NVME 512GB drive is about $307 on Newegg.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147596

You can find cheaper 500GB NVME drives out there, but as far as I have looked, most others are slightly slower. The 128GB one I got was the Plextor M8PeG 128GB, at less than a third of the price of the 512Gb Samsung 960 Pro. $98.99 from Superbiz when I got it.

As far as other criteria for the board you choose that depends on what you are looking for. I ended up choosing the Gigabyte Arous Gaming 7 as it has 3 M.2 connectors. I am going to put two of them with 1GB drives in RAID0 (not NVME) for my games drive and the third already has the NVME boot drive. I wasn't interested in features like the on board sound (I use a DAC and powered speakers) or Wi-Fi, so that eliminated a lot of boards from my search.

But as I said, since pretty much every Z370 board has M.2 as a feature, might as well take advantage, at least for boot/OS. And maybe enough more room for the programs you use the most.

And the boot times are as much a revelation as going from a fast mechanical drive to an SSD was for me.
Good input. Since I am definitely going to get one of these higher-end mobos (yours looks promising), I will definitely grab a NVME for boot times since I should take advantage of the m.2 connectors. Is it possible to run 2 NVME in Raid0? Since most of my games/production I want on a boot drive, I definitely need to invest in a 500GB NVME.
 

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That cpu is not the top of the line, especially since you said video editing before gaming.

Start here.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117795&cm_re=i9-_-19-117-795-_-Product

If that is to much, they have a 8 core for 600

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16819117794

You get either of those to 4.5 4.8 on all cores, the difference between them and a 8700k for gaming would be not noticable. The difference in reduced time for video editing, between them would be a huge difference.

To be honest though, with ryzen, I do not see the point in wasting that kind of money on a intel for editing. You could more than likely build 2 computers, for the price of that i9, one with a 8600k which would net you 0 difference in gaming over a 8700k 5ghz, and a ryzen 1700, which overclocked to 4.0 would almost be on par with that 600 dollar intel as far as editing is concerned. A 1700 overclocked to 4.0 all cores beats a stock 8 core thread ripper.

So by building the ryzen for editing, and the 8600k for gaming. You would end up with the best of both worlds, and could game while editing ect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcJfAR6R1Mc

That is showing a stock 8 core intel the one for 600 it got 1725 in cinebench 15, my ryzen 1700 at 4.0 all cores got 1730. I took that back though and bought a 8700k because I do 0 editing, and the 8700k got 30-60 more fps in amra 3. As I said though, the 1700 is only like 270, and a 8600k is only like 270, and that is still cheaper than a 8 core intel. The 8600k would easily overclock to 5 ghz, and the ryzen to 4 and bam, you have some serious compute power for almost the same price. Considering those stupid x boards cost more than a z370, and a ab 370. The only thing that would be the most expensive is the ram, but it would be worth it.
Will having 2 more cores really make that big of an impact on video editing? I'd rather go for the 8700k because it still has higher FPS in games (although slight) and its about $200 cheaper than the 7820X. Can you send me data on how much faster an HD video would render using 8 cores (i7 7820X/R7 1800X) as opposed to 6 (i7 8700k)? Is there something I'm missing about the rendering speed or is it cores/threads that make the difference only? Great suggestion, but I'd like some back-up to your claim as well. Also I try and steer clear of AMD if I can, and I don't want 2 PCs because I live in a studio apartment and I need as much space as possible.
 

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Will having 2 more cores really make that big of an impact on video editing? I'd rather go for the 8700k because it still has higher FPS in games (although slight) and its about $200 cheaper than the 7820X. Can you send me data on how much faster an HD video would render using 8 cores (i7 7820X/R7 1800X) as opposed to 6 (i7 8700k)? Is there something I'm missing about the rendering speed or is it cores/threads that make the difference only? Great suggestion, but I'd like some back-up to your claim as well. Also I try and steer clear of AMD if I can, and I don't want 2 PCs because I live in a studio apartment and I need as much space as possible.
Check out this review on Puget systems. Lots of good data on video editing performance on all the aforementioned processors. In my personal opinion, unless you're pretty serious about video editing or need a lot more PCI-E devices, it's not worth your time to upgrade to HEDT. Sure you get marginally better editing performance, but for the additional cost of the platform/processor as well as the struggles of cooling X299 (both board and chip) it's just not worth it in my opinion. Z370 is less expensive and very capable of the task. X370 is also a good option apart from the discussed memory limitations. You're splitting hairs comparing an overclocked 1700 to an 8700k though, since one will sometimes give you better gameplay, and the other will sometimes render marginally faster.

I'd shoot for the 8700k, but if you think the editing performance is worth the premium, by all means go X299 or X399.
 

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Not the only reason, but a NVME drive will significantly shorten your boot time, even over a "traditional" SSD.
dude that's not true at all, NVMe drive are totally not worth it for day to day task, considering they cost twice as much per GB.
As you can see in this video (go to 3:39 for test result), the NVMe drive is barely any faster than the sata SSD .... off course, any SSD is a huge upgrade over any HDD.
 
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