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thanks you guys for the quick replies on my other thread<br><a href="http://www.overclock.net/intel-general/122796-help-me-build-new-rig.html" target="_blank">http://www.overclock.net/intel-gener...d-new-rig.html</a><br><br>
as thish is not exactly the most " happenin thread" LOL<br><br>
anyway<br>
yeah im shooting for as of now anyway<br><br><br>
conroe e6700 or 6600 ( despite most pple saying dear god dont on the 6700 i saw sdumper on some wicked oc's hope they are water and not phase as i just skimmed it at the time)<br>
a zalman reservator ( a fanless one or the external one is cool)<br>
some hd silencers and some foam paddy for the case ( Y_Y )<br>
2 sata hard drives in raid 0 at at least 74 gigs ( raptor )<br>
1 or 2donkey drives ( a 300-500 gig store drive)<br>
a nvie 7 series card ( to do the 3d and the zbrush im getting the bang out of)<br>
2 gigs of ram ( not sure what yet but the 6400 variety looks nice, i was gonna go for high fsbs)<br>
a mobo ( i have 3 boards of the asus flavor and im not sure if i should go gigabyte, asus or dfi's new board comin out, so long as i can pull off<br>
a 3d design chipset thingy it rly doesnt matter)<br><br>
* as i have mentioned that standing radiator has no fans i think and i wanted a quiet case and a "decent overclock" *<br><br>
any help is appreciated.
 

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Ok, I saw your budget is about $2,000 - $2,500 in your other thread. I aimed for below $2,000, excluding the cooling. I probably would invest in something better than the Zalman. You should ask in the watercooling section about that. Also, sdumper's overclock of over 4GB is on phase... sorry <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment">. I'd go for the E6600; I get mine to 3.5GHz on air.<br><br>
My suggestion:<br><br>
MoBo: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813131028" target="_blank">ASUS P5B Deluxe/WiFi-AP Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express</a> $229.99<br>
CPU: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819115003" target="_blank">Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775</a> $316.99<br>
RAM: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820231065" target="_blank">G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)</a> $299.00<br>
Video: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814130065" target="_blank">eVGA 512-P2-N573-AR Geforce 7900GTO 512MB GDDR3</a> $255.99<br>
HDD1: 2X <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822136033" target="_blank">Western Digital Raptor WD740ADFD 74GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150</a> $299.98<br>
HDD2: 2X <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822148144" target="_blank">Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (Perpendicular Recording) 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s</a> $159.98<br>
DVD: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16827106013" target="_blank">LITE-ON 16X DVD±R DVD Burner Black</a> $31.99<br>
Case: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811129154" target="_blank">Antec Performance I P180 Silver 0.8mm cold rolled steel</a> $114.99<br>
PSU: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817703006" target="_blank">PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 EPS12V EPS12V 750W</a> $199.99<br><br>
Subtotal: $1,908.90
 
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you rreally threw down the gauntlet there<br />
i'll look into it and re=post with any changes that are more comfy towards me in a couple hrs but i'll take ur word for it chozart..btw my specs are somewhat flexibvle ( doesnt have to be raptors) and either vga company is ok as they are both advantageous... if my words sound awkward i dont have my glasses and im typing in the dark lol >_<
 

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It depends a little on your future plans. Going through it part-by-part:<br><ol style="list-style-type:decimal;"><li>Do you plan to go dual graphics in the future, or not? If not, then the board I picked is about the best you can get (it will do Crossfire or SLI with modded drivers, but at x16, x4). If you do plan dual graphics, the Asus P5W DH is a good choice.</li>
<li>I vote for the E6600 myself, since I got 3.5GHz on air with it, and I saw other good overclocks, like 3.8GHz on water here: <a href="http://www.overclock.net/1233624-post68.html" target="_blank">http://www.overclock.net/1233624-post68.html</a>. The E6700 is absolutely a good chip and the multi is an advantage, but I don't think it's worth the extra money. With either CPU, I think 3.8 is the highest you can get on water....</li>
<li>RAM: no discussion. DDR2 800, CAS4, is the stuff to get for Core 2 Duo. Corsair 6400C4 (what I have) is good also. Depends a bit on which brand you prefer (G.Skill has a very good reputation for overclocking, esp. the HZ series)</li>
<li>Video: I slightly prefer ATI myself, but this 7900GTO looks like a good deal. Nearly identical performance and a bit better image quality can be had with a 256MB X1900XT, like this one: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102051" target="_blank">SAPPHIRE 100168L Radeon X1900XT 256MB GDDR3</a> $259.99</li>
<li>HDD: $450 for two RAID0 arrays is a lot of money. If you really concerned about data reliability, I'd build a RAID0+1 array with four of these disks: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148140" target="_blank">Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s</a> $94.99 a piece for total $379.96. You will have 640GB of storage space (half the total disk space is used for the mirror), which is the same as with two Raptors and two 250GB Seagates I porposed in the rig above for less money, and you don't have to worry about making back ups. If you don't need the mirror, just get two for a RAID0 array, save half the money, and enjoy excellent performance.</li>
<li>DVD: nothing to say about. Possibly get a second DVD reader?</li>
<li>Case: Antec P180 is likely the quietest case out there... well insulated side panels</li>
<li>PSU: I choose the most powerful PSU short of the 1KW units. Trust me, with DX10 around the corner, you'll need to power.</li>
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yes in that respect i concur chozart<br><br>
i was thinking of a RAID0+1 config from the getgo<br>
or in the least a raid 0 and 2 unraided drives<br><br>
well its not like i wasnt gonna get panel silencing ( that black foam )<br>
but i didnt kno the antec has silencing panels<br>
i guess silencers for the psu and hd would be ideal also as this thing is 2 feet from my bed XDD<br><br>
the e6600,6700 im going to be fighting up to the end because im kinda stuck either way<br><br>
was i gonna go dual graphics card?? if i had the dough id just go dual quadro or dual firegl, as i work with open gl stuff alot.. but i might have to ebay those as if u look up quadro's ... tehy are notoriously expensive.<br><br>
i have a 6800 as is softquadroed and it still will lag after only a mid range poly count<br><br>
i am shooting for a 3.8 overclock for the two cores so i have to go water thish time.<br><br>
a thing that i ended up confused about is why i see alot of pple with 6400 rams ( the 800fsb ones) . like 2 gigs worth. and then they overclock the fsb respectively.. there are mentions of mobo's with kensfield support i mean i wanna jump on the bandwagon but id be willing to wait till november if i have a starting clock of 1000^fsb instead of 800... maybe im just taking all this information down improperly.. i will research in the meantime.<br><br>
yeah im goin for at least 2 gigs as i have 2 gigs now. when vista comes out id like to have 4. lol i do rendering the ram realy does make a difference... if i run out of ram the rendering will cache on my drives, and i dont want it to resort to spinning my drives to death after a year of renderings. (assumes the worst ) <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/frown.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Frown">
 

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looking at mobos tday<br><br>
P5B $167<br>
P5B-DXWIFI $234<br>
P5W64 WS PRO<br><br>
ASUS P5B Deluxe/WiFi-AP<br><a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813131028" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16813131028</a><br><br>
saw some nice stuff on bleedinedge about it<br><a href="http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23803" target="_blank">http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23803</a><br><br>
now i am stuck again as i debate whether i wanna sacrifice mem bandwidth for faster cpu on 965 chipset it looks craaaazeh<br><br>
i mean i kno cpu faster = good >_< gahhh i need a coffee<br><br>
i know im getting an asus flavor board thats all i kno. lol ^_^
 

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Just to make things clear regarding RAM speed:<br><br>
The Core 2 Duo and Kentsfield CPUs run on an FSB of 1066, or an external frequency of 266MHz (quad pumped). The external frequency of DDR2 533 RAM is also 266MHz, thus, it's actually DDR2 533 RAM that runs 1:1 with the CPU (and <b>not</b> DDR2 1066 as you might think).<br><br>
Many people choose for DDR2 800 RAM, since it allows for high overclocks on 1:1. With RAM at 1:1, one can hit an FSB of 400MHz (or 1600 quad pumped) before even hitting the stock speed of the RAM again. Also, good DDR2 800 RAM (like the G.Skill HZ's) can hit DDR2 1000 speeds.<br><br>
To me, the Asus P5B Deluxe (either WiFi or not) with DDR2 800 RAM will make for a nice platform for either Core 2 Duo or Kentfield,.
 

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so you are essentially saying ddr2 1000 is not really worth it right now for the performance ( the price seems to be sucky as well) <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/frown.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Frown">
 

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I don't think it's worth the extra money.<br><br>
You will have screaming performance with high quality DDR2 800 RAM, like the G.Skill HZ kit, which can hit DDR2 1000 speeds when yuo overclock it. Even with RAM set faster than your CPU (at DDR2 667 speeds), you can still hit an FSB of 400 before high-quality DDR2 RAM gives up to you.
 

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case review thish evening...<br><br><br>
ANTEC P180<br><a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811129154" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16811129154</a><br>
ANTEC 900<br><a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129021" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129021</a><br>
THERMALTAKE ARMOR VA8000BWS<br><a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811133154" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811133154</a><br><br>
any other suggs are open.. considering im using watercool so im afraid of using a "pretty plastic" mid atx case to do it...
 

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If you get a watercooling that takes a bit of space, the Antec P180 is a little bit cramped, given the split chamber design. Here is an image of my case, with the upper chamber HDD bracket removed. This should give you some idea how much room you have to work with (not a whole lot)<br><img alt="" src="https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/rvandev2/shared/100_4280.jpg?uniq=wz17ux" style="border:0px solid;"><br><br>
I don't know too much about the new Antec case, but it looks good at first glance; definately larger than the P180<br><br>
The Armor is huge and hugely popular, and I think the choice should be between the Armor and the 900. If you up to try something different, the 900 is your pic, and if you like to get a proven case, get the Armor<br><br>
The P180 is a nice case, and quiet, but I think you'll run into space issues with a full fledged water cooling system.
 

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well what if i use like a zalman where the reserv-oir-ator..lol is like outside the case.. i mean i see alot of setups where they have like a vial reservior and a rad ontop but that would not look to viable in antec p180's case
 

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Let's just say it'll require some craft to get a watercooling system in the Antec P180.<br><br>
I am not sure about that Zalman. Ask around in the watercooling section about water solutions, and which case is a good pick. My knowledge abuot watercooling is limited, so can't really help you with that.
 

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ask snerp hes the resident daddy of water cooling
 

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oh snap i reviewd that board a while back...i ened up with teh abit fatality <br />
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aint that a B
 

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Fatal1ty? eekk.. allergies acting up. Generally overpriced stuff....
 

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ok .. fold.
 

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</div>oh shnap g money i think snerp is gonna check out my stuffs see if i can pull it off!!!<br />
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ill post prices later i just wanna see if pple are feeling the setup<br><br>
CHIP<br><br>
intel conroe core 2 duo e6600<br><br>
MEMORY<br>
2 gigs g.skill pc6400 ddr800 ram dual channel kit ( ocz maybe?)<br><br>
MOTHERBOARD/S<br><br>
ASUS P5W64 WS Professional (geez $$$)<br>
ASUS P5W DH DELUXE/WIFI-AP (im seeing as buggy hope future bios makes hw less buggy)<br>
ASUS P5B Deluxe ( nice overclocker)<br><br>
Intel D975XBX and its bx2 variant are lagging behind in my choices<br>
the bx is bein replaced anyway :<br><br>
as i am stuck as to which<br><br>
some responses on newegg scared the hell outta me about bios updates.<br>
can the deluxe be voltmodded with a pencil to take off the 8phase?<br><br><br><br><br>
VIDEO CARD*<br><br>
not such an issue as waiting for directx10 HW to be up and running<br><br>
HARD DRIVES<br><br>
HDD1 2X 150gb 10,000 rpm sata150 western digital raptors (raid 0?)<br><br>
HDD2 2X 250gb Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS" DRIVES (SEAGATE BARRACUDA OR<br>
samsung spinpoint as the sams actually have been benching mid range really well) (raid 1?)<br><br>
this is the first time i set up a raid but i mean it doesnt look too hard.<br><br>
WATERCOOLING--<br><br>
UNDECIDED<br><br>
CASE<br><br>
Antec p180<br>
antec 900<br>
thermaltake armor<br>
some flavor or lian li<br>
--STILL UNDER REVIEWS--<br><br>
PSU<br>
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 EPS12V EPS12V 750W<br><a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817703006" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16817703006</a><br><br>
(or anything with decent amps on the 12v)<br><br>
ugh i hope i dont wanna upgrade next year im way too indecisive XDDDDD
 

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intel conroe core 2 duo e6600 <b>- of course</b><br />
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MEMORY<br />
2 gigs g.skill pc6400 ddr800 ram dual channel kit ( ocz maybe?) <b>stick with G.Skill. Best you can get</b><br />
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MOTHERBOARD/S<br />
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ASUS P5W64 WS Professional (geez $$$) <b>- great board, but $$$</b><br />
ASUS P5W DH DELUXE/WIFI-AP (im seeing as buggy hope future bios makes hw less buggy) <b>- not sure what bugs you talk about? Haven't heard much about it here on the forum. Would be my pick for a Crossfire/SLI rig. sdumper got a E6700 under phase up to 4.2GHz</b><br />
ASUS P5B Deluxe ( nice overclocker) <b>- great overclocker, but limited Crossfire/SLI if that's what you like</b><br />
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Intel D975XBX and its bx2 variant are lagging behind in my choices<br />
the bx is bein replaced anyway :<b>- I would not consider Intel</b><br />
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as i am stuck as to which <b>- I'd get the P5W DH Deluxe, given the performance and specifications</b><br />
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some responses on newegg scared the hell outta me about bios updates.<br />
can the deluxe be voltmodded with a pencil to take off the 8phase? <b>- no idea</b><br />
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VIDEO CARD*<br />
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not such an issue as waiting for directx10 HW to be up and running <b>- Partially agreed. I would get like a $200 card that will be enough for a year. I would wait until second gen. DX10 cards, about a year or so</b><br />
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HARD DRIVES<br />
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HDD1 2X 150gb 10,000 rpm sata150 western digital raptors (raid 0?) <b>crazy fast</b><br />
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HDD2 2X 250gb Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS" DRIVES (SEAGATE BARRACUDA OR<br />
samsung spinpoint as the sams actually have been benching mid range really well) (raid 1?) <b>- why RAID1? I would RAID0 these as a backup for the Raptors. How much storage space you need?</b><br />
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this is the first time i set up a raid but i mean it doesnt look too hard. <b>- it isn't</b><br />
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WATERCOOLING--<br />
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UNDECIDED<br />
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CASE<br />
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Antec p180 <b>- Quiet, but a little small for watercooling</b><br />
antec 900 <b>- looking nice</b><br />
thermaltake armor <b>- popular, and a great case. plenty room</b><br />
some flavor or lian li <b>- always good</b><br />
--STILL UNDER REVIEWS--<br />
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PSU<br />
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 EPS12V EPS12V 750W <b>- doenst get any better</b><br />
<a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16817703006" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16817703006</a><br />
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(or anything with decent amps on the 12v) <b>-nay... just the one you linked above</b><br />
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ugh i hope i dont wanna upgrade next year im way too indecisive XDDDDD
 
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