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Common Keyloggers vs. Virtual Keyboard vs. Pen Tablet

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Guys, is using the Virtual Keyboard or the Pen Tablet better than using the actual Keyboard when dealing with a "common" keylogger?

Any tips for protection?
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Why are you running a keylogger?
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No, it doesn't make any difference what you do the keystrokes with. If you have a keylogger you should NOT under any circumstances enter any information you care about.
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Why are you running a keylogger?

Agreed. Why would you need a keylogger?

EDIT- err maybe you're thinking you have keylogger malware?

Yes I'd say a virtual keyboard might be secure. I don't think a keylogger would trace a virtual keyboard. But again, if you're worried you have malware(like a keylogger), it's best to remove it. Most virus scans will detect and remove it.

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No, it doesn't make any difference what you do the keystrokes with. If you have a keylogger you should NOT under any circumstances enter any information you care about.

I don't think you're right. Keyloggers trace actual keyboard strokes, not something like a virtual keyboard if I remember right.
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It depends on where the malware picks up the keystrokes from. If you just watch Windows messages, you'll get every bit of input to any control, whether it comes from a physical keyboard, virtual keyboard, handwriting, remote desktop session, etc.
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It depends on where the malware picks up the keystrokes from. If you just watch Windows messages, you'll get every bit of input to any control, whether it comes from a physical keyboard, virtual keyboard, handwriting, remote desktop session, etc.

My GO*, so no one is actually safe if one is really targeted?

I'm just so paranoid!

Any tips please?

Thanks guys anyway + rep to all
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No, it doesn't make any difference what you do the keystrokes with. If you have a keylogger you should NOT under any circumstances enter any information you care about.

Well that is one thing, I am really scared that there are even weird-a$$ keylogger that are almost impossible to detect with common anti virus or malware checks..

HelP
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Go install Linux now, and you won't have to worry any more.
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Go install Linux now, and you won't have to worry any more.


This

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Well that is one thing, I am really scared that there are even weird-a$$ keylogger that are almost impossible to detect with common anti virus or malware checks..

HelP


If you wanna stick with windows here are my suggestions. Get a good firewall like Comodo. Get an excellent anti-virus like Avira, and install Malware Bytes and Spybot. Run regular updates/scans. (check out my sig for more info)

There are also anti-keylogger pieces of software out there which encrypt keystrokes.

If you are REALLY paranoid. Delete windows, encrypt your hard drive, reinstall windows and install all the software above. Unless you've pissed a hacker off or pirate a lot of software I wouldn't be too worried.

If there are any suspicious files you wanna check upload it to www.virustotal.com which will scan it with ~120 anti-virus programs. Even if it is hard to detect a couple of em will report a suspicious file.

Enjoy and PM me if you have any other questions.
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Most keyloggers will log ANYTHING, including you using the virtual keyboard.
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Why are you running a keylogger?

I like to run a keylogger on my comp every now and then. Just to see who likes to go browsing on my computer when I'm not around and I forget to hit lock.
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This

If you wanna stick with windows here are my suggestions. Get a good firewall like Comodo. Get an excellent anti-virus like Avira, and install Malware Bytes and Spybot. Run regular updates/scans. (check out my sig for more info)

There are also anti-keylogger pieces of software out there which encrypt keystrokes.

If you are REALLY paranoid. Delete windows, encrypt your hard drive, reinstall windows and install all the software above. Unless you've pissed a hacker off or pirate a lot of software I wouldn't be too worried.

If there are any suspicious files you wanna check upload it to www.virustotal.com which will scan it with ~120 anti-virus programs. Even if it is hard to detect a couple of em will report a suspicious file.

Enjoy and PM me if you have any other questions.

No Linux for me anytime soon. And why no keyloggers for Linux? Is it because it is a minority OS that not much would target it for malwares?

Does Avira have an AV for 64 bit?

i kinda heard that "rootkits" cant be detected or something?
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It depends on where the malware picks up the keystrokes from. If you just watch Windows messages, you'll get every bit of input to any control, whether it comes from a physical keyboard, virtual keyboard, handwriting, remote desktop session, etc.

"Windows Messages"? Where may i look at that. Sounds very interesting.
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Most keyloggers will log ANYTHING, including you using the virtual keyboard.

SCARY! Any suggestions to fight this thing?
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SCARY! Any suggestions to fight this thing?


Don't download random crap?

Seriously, the only real defense against malware is common sense. If you just browse the internet using a secure browser like Firefox with AdBlock and NoScript, run Windows 7 or Vista, keep your computer behind a router, and don't download anything from suspicious sites you will never, ever, get a virus or any other form of malware.
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"Windows Messages"? Where may i look at that. Sounds very interesting.

From MSDN, where else?

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No Linux for me anytime soon. And why no keyloggers for Linux? Is it because it is a minority OS that not much would target it for malwares?

No, it's because Linux is an extremely hostile environment for malware. Getting a piece of malware to actually WORK is just this side of impossible, since there are so many different layers of security that would have to be bypassed, and the chance of finding a hole in all of them at the same time is virtually zero.

About the only way to get a piece of malicious software onto a Linux system is to install it intentionally, and then run it as root, intentionally again. Someone doing both is extremely unlikely, even if they are a total noob. And even then, I wouldn't count on it doing much damage or spreading very far.
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From MSDN, where else?

No, it's because Linux is an extremely hostile environment for malware. Getting a piece of malware to actually WORK is just this side of impossible, since there are so many different layers of security that would have to be bypassed, and the chance of finding a hole in all of them at the same time is virtually zero.

About the only way to get a piece of malicious software onto a Linux system is to install it intentionally, and then run it as root, intentionally again. Someone doing both is extremely unlikely, even if they are a total noob. And even then, I wouldn't count on it doing much damage or spreading very far.
Oh.. so a good OS for online banking is linux? is it possible to have linux in a flash drive? i dont want it for a main OS
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Don't download random crap?

Seriously, the only real defense against malware is common sense. If you just browse the internet using a secure browser like Firefox with AdBlock and NoScript, run Windows 7 or Vista, keep your computer behind a router, and don't download anything from suspicious sites you will never, ever, get a virus or any other form of malware.
uhmm thanks.. that sounds reassuring
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Oh.. so a good OS for online banking is linux? is it possible to have linux in a flash drive? i dont want it for a main OS


Try the link in my sig.
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Try the link in my sig.
Oh.. so i have learned that it is possible to run Ubuntu (is that Linux?) in a "virtual machine" while staying in my Main Operating System (Windows 7 64bit).

Would the malware (keyloggers) in Windows 7 still recognize "strokes" when i am inside the Ubuntu Virtual Machine?

Has anyone tested something like this?
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