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CHIPZILLA!!!!!!!!!!! Ok put those new quad cores are going to look nothing compared to these suckers http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4387

Nevermind thats '08 then i might have to pick up a Q6600 when they slash prices
 

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E4300 1.80 GHz 2MB 800 MHz - $113

The FX-62 killer for $113.00 vs ~650.00
Only when overclocked.....by 300mhz.


But even so, all of these additions should fit in nicely. In about a year when I build a new rig, maybe quad cores will become more affordable
 

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But think about the great potential of that chip! 1.8ghz at 800mhz = 9x multiplier!!! Plug that into a worthy mobo and that thing is going to fly!
 

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I'm totally get an E6550 or Q6400. Maybe I'll get a 1333FSB for a year or two then give it to my dad then I can get an awesome Quad Core once 3-4 models come out.

[OCN] Ninja_Boy

Question: Are all of those the same, besides the cache difference, or will one clocked at 1333FSB out of the factory be better than the 1066MHz CPUs seen now? Talking about: Overclockablity, Speed @ Same Clock, and Stability.
 

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Ropey, and that's an 800mhz fsb, I don't think that's going to cut it.
When you clock that guy up, I think for that price it will cut it and I bet you that it takes out the FX-62.

Let's see.

9 X multi and 1.8GHz stock at 200MHz FSB (800MHz Quad Pumped)
9 X multi and 3.6GHz at 400MHz FSB (1600MHz Quad Pumped)
9 X multi and 3.83GHz at 425Mhz FSB (1700MHz Quad Pumped)

You don't think that will take out the FX-62? With the lower fsb one can have a higher GHz with less thermal output. I can see a very likely possibility of 3.8 on good air. It will, in my opinion, tromp the FX-62 all around the block and back and for how much?


Care to wager?
 

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When you clock that guy up, I think for that price it will cut it and I bet you that it takes out the FX-62.

Let's see.

9 X multi and 1.8GHz stock at 200MHz FSB (800MHz Quad Pumped)
9 X multi and 3.6GHz at 400MHz FSB (1600MHz Quad Pumped)
9 X multi and 3.83GHz at 425Mhz FSB (1700MHz Quad Pumped)

You don't think that will take out the FX-62? With the lower fsb one can have a higher GHz with less thermal output. I can see a very likely possibility of 3.8 on good air. It will, in my opinion, tromp the FX-62 all around the block and back and for how much?


Care to wager?

425 mhz fsb
isn,t that too much for that chip , I mean at 400 mhz that would be 100% overclock which would be amazing if it happens but I don,t think it,s possible to go higher than that ( at least not on air )
 

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425 mhz fsb
isn,t that too much for that chip , I mean at 400 mhz that would be 100% overclock which would be amazing if it happens but I don,t think it,s possible to go higher than that ( at least not on air )

The Asus P5B Deluxe can hit 500MHz+ FSB.
 

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The Asus P5B Deluxe can hit 500MHz+ FSB.

I know the mobo can do that , i meant the cpu
400 would be 100% overclock for the cpu so more than that would be diffecult
 

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Since the days of the Celeron 300A I haven't seen a CPU that can go 100% OC. It's good to know that the mobo wouldn't be a bottleneck.
 

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Just thinking aloud, the new chips with the 1333 FSB... do you think they'll overclock as well as the current C2Ds? (same proportion in %) Seems like your paying for a 'stock overclock'... but my knowledge is limited. I'm doing over 1800 FSB (quad pumped 458x4)... so 1333 no biggie. Reasoning could be wrong of course.
 

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425 mhz fsb


425MHz X 4 (Quad Pumped) = 1700MHz FSB

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I know the mobo can do that , i meant the cpu
400 would be 100% overclock for the cpu so more than that would be diffecult


The architecture of the 800MHz FSB Allendales are the same as the core of the Conroes. The FSB has been "Dummied Down" to 800 from 1066. My opinion is that they very likely will have the same basic headroom as the Conroe. Time will bear this out or not.
 

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425MHz X 4 (Quad Pumped) = 1700MHz FSB

The architecture of the 800MHz FSB Allendales are the same as the core of the Conroes. The FSB has been "Dummied Down" to 800 from 1066. My opinion is that they very likely will have the same basic headroom as the Conroe. Time will bear this out or not.

I already knew what 425 meant , just confused about it being soo high
I hope you r right about the headroom , it would be 1 of the best overclockers ever
 

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I hope you r right about the headroom , it would be 1 of the best overclockers ever


I agree and I hope I am right also. It stands to reason that the silicon fab process maturation of the Conroe will follow to the Allendale. This is more to deal with creating a chip so that disabling of the cache is not necessary. Previously all Allendales (misnomer, I know) were cache disabled Conroe CPU's and yes, some might have been errored cache but considering the volume of sales with Allendale it leads to the extension that as the maturation process moves along there will be less disable of cache due to cache errors than disable of healthy cache to keep up with volume sales.

The cores of both will be the same. The upcoming Allendale (True Allendale) will have 2MB of shared cache with NO disable. The Core2 is fully matured considering that 65nm was fully matured before the creation of Core2. Now we just wait to see


This is also to gain a strangle-hold in the low end market. We enthusiasts are only a few percent of that marketplace.
 

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Well, Ropey, I haven't seen an E6300 doing 2.0ghz over its stock clock, so 3.6ghz or 3.8ghz is a little too much for the chip to do. The most an E4300 will probably do is between 300-325.

It may do 350 with water but that'll be pushing it because you also have to take into account the voltage required for the CPU to be running from 200fsb to 350.

Most Conroes that go from 266fsb to 400fsb (A 144fsb increase) need at least 1.55v so, I don't think an E4300 will ever see the light of 400fsb or more. Unless someone were to use phase and a vmod.
 

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Well, Ropey, I haven't seen an E6300 doing 2.0ghz over its stock clock, so 3.6ghz or 3.8ghz is a little too much for the chip to do. The most an E4300 will probably do is between 300-325.

It may do 350 with water but that'll be pushing it because you also have to take into account the voltage required for the CPU to be running from 200fsb to 350.

Most Conroes that go from 266fsb to 400fsb (A 144fsb increase) need at least 1.55v so, I don't think an E4300 will ever see the light of 400fsb or more. Unless someone were to use phase and a vmod.

We shall see Nasgul. Keep in mind that the E6300 is stock at 1066MHz FSB and the 4300 will be stock at 800MHz FSB. This is a major difference and with a higher multiplier and lower FSB there could well be higher overclocks on the 4300 than the 6300 considering Core Frequencies.

The FSB is a major hurdle in getting the E6300 pastd 3.4Ghz or so and this will not be the case in the 4300 certainly.

Time will tell though, won't it? I bet it clocks very well on air. Certainly I believe it will clock higher (Pure Core MHz) than the E6300.

Regarding the FSB of 400Mhz. I believe that this will be no issue whatsoever and I am willing to bet good money on this. On high end air I think that this will be obtainable. So if you want to put a few dollars on this, PM me and we can discuss details over the phone my friend


Both Core2 cpu's I have need less than 1.4V to make the 400Mhz fsb. I think that most Allendales can take 400MHz with low core voltage and remember that the Allendale is a 2MB part not the higher multiplied 4MB Conroe.

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