[KeyboardXpert]

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[Lailainoob]

You're coming to the wrong place if you don't want harsh criticism. Not sure why you need to state your age as well...

Anyways I think you should change your motherboard to a Z77X-UD3. Instead of getting corsair ram, consider getting the Samsung wonder ram.

Please state the budget and the purpose of the build.

 

[oats2012]

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Originally Posted by Lailainoob

You're coming to the wrong place if you don't want harsh criticism. Not sure why you need to state your age as well...

Anyways I think you should change your motherboard to a Z77X-UD3. Instead of getting corsair ram, consider getting the Samsung wonder ram.

Please state the budget and the purpose of the build.

THIS.

Honestly go through and edit the OP taking out the erroneous details that will in all honesty just bring you hecklers. That being said, changes:

-V formula is kind of a waste. I have msi mpower and its a great board. every big brand has better or equal boards for cheaper. so save the funds there for other things

-ax760 again is a waste, get a seasonic or other corsair. again save a little here ( don't have to sacrifice any reliability bc ax760 is over priced)

- why 830? go 840 I have it and its great. there are honestly though better SSD's out now then the 830 or at least newer with better support going forward for same or less price

- ram....brand new build no reason to not go 1866 since its virtually same price and could probably overclock higher and start seeing gains

I understand the theme you are going for but there are similar colors to be had with less money spent and put into more performance parts (if youre gonna have a super car theme then the PC needs to be screaming fast aswell lol)

my advice is for you to go back through your list and try to save a little in places and realize you can change a color scheme on some parts with easy mods. and invest the savings in a second 660 ti right up front and be able to smash almost anything you want to do going forward.

MY LOGIC : Build the performance you want now and work on the aesthetics going forward. So prioritze so your not having to sell or upgrade as often

good luck with the build, I'll be watching to see results

 

[KeyboardXpert]

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Originally Posted by oats2012

THIS.

Honestly go through and edit the OP taking out the erroneous details that will in all honesty just bring you hecklers. That being said, changes:

-V formula is kind of a waste. I have msi mpower and its a great board. every big brand has better or equal boards for cheaper. so save the funds there for other things

-ax760 again is a waste, get a seasonic or other corsair. again save a little here ( don't have to sacrifice any reliability bc ax760 is over priced)

- why 830? go 840 I have it and its great. there are honestly though better SSD's out now then the 830 or at least newer with better support going forward for same or less price

- ram....brand new build no reason to not go 1866 since its virtually same price and could probably overclock higher and start seeing gains

I understand the theme you are going for but there are similar colors to be had with less money spent and put into more performance parts (if youre gonna have a super car theme then the PC needs to be screaming fast aswell lol)

my advice is for you to go back through your list and try to save a little in places and realize you can change a color scheme on some parts with easy mods. and invest the savings in a second 660 ti right up front and be able to smash almost anything you want to do going forward.

MY LOGIC : Build the performance you want now and work on the aesthetics going forward. So prioritze so your not having to sell or upgrade as often

good luck with the build, I'll be watching to see results

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Originally Posted by Lailainoob

You're coming to the wrong place if you don't want harsh criticism. Not sure why you need to state your age as well...

Anyways I think you should change your motherboard to a Z77X-UD3. Instead of getting corsair ram, consider getting the Samsung wonder ram.

Please state the budget and the purpose of the build.

I guess you didn't read the OP thoroughly. This build is going to involve lots of modding. I guess I should add that this build will be for gaming and I will edit it significantly. You get more hecklers the other way around, (at least in my experience) but I will edit it anyways. The motherboard is nonnegotiable, I have already decided on it, and about a week away from buying it. I trust ASUS motherboards and that is what I am buying. I constantly recommend Samsung Wonder RAM, but in case you haven't noticed, it is almost completely out of stock right now. The Vengeance also has the color scheme I want. There is no hard budget, just know that I am not changing the processor and the graphics cards aren't getting any better than 670s right now. The harsh criticism is unnecessary anyway, though luckily you two were not harsh. I want helpful criticism, and sometimes the criticism I get is tangential crap telling me to put away my dreams and stop using such high-priced components. I am getting the 830 because it is tried and true, and I also prefer the controller on the 830, and it is also cheaper. Aesthetics and performance are equally important in this build, and the components will be chosen for both up front. I will consider 1866 RAM, but the Vengeance is more expensive for 1866 isn't it? And the 1600 can get overclocked easily. I know the 760 is overpriced, but it's red and black and I want it anyways.

I think the OP will actually just be asking for help with the watercooling parts, because the others are pretty much nonnegotiable. I wanted help with the watercooling parts. I hope that both of you understand I am not just buying expensive parts because I don't know they are overpriced or that there are cheaper ones, I have been building PCs or helping to build PCs for five years, and I know what I am doing, If I wanted the build to cost less, trust me, it would.

 

[ChrisTahoe]

These guys are tying to be helpful, and you're instantly getting defensive. Calm down.

EK blocks are good, but so are many of the other ones. Don't dismiss them right away. The XSPC Raystorm is an excellent CPU block and generally priced lower than the competition. I had the Swiftech Apogee HD block, and while it wasn't the best, I had no issues with it. If you're wanting to use a bay reservoir, consider using one that you can mount the pump inside as well, as that was a nice convenience as I didn't have to come up with a place to put the pump. Swiftech pumps are VERY popular, and rightfully so. Most CPU + Dual GPU loops can get by with an MCP 655 pump. If you are adding motherboard and/or RAM blocks, you might want to opt for the MCP35x2, or adding another 655 inline down the loop for redundancy.

Take your time, and do your research before buying parts. Watercooling is expensive, so there is no need to buy one part and wish you had bought a different one.

 

[KeyboardXpert]

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisTahoe

These guys are tying to be helpful, and you're instantly getting defensive. Calm down.

EK blocks are good, but so are many of the other ones. Don't dismiss them right away. The XSPC Raystorm is an excellent CPU block and generally priced lower than the competition. I had the Swiftech Apogee HD block, and while it wasn't the best, I had no issues with it. If you're wanting to use a bay reservoir, consider using one that you can mount the pump inside as well, as that was a nice convenience as I didn't have to come up with a place to put the pump. Swiftech pumps are VERY popular, and rightfully so. Most CPU + Dual GPU loops can get by with an MCP 655 pump. If you are adding motherboard and/or RAM blocks, you might want to opt for the MCP35x2, or adding another 655 inline down the loop for redundancy.

Take your time, and do your research before buying parts. Watercooling is expensive, so there is no need to buy one part and wish you had bought a different one.

I understand they are trying to help, but the OP mentioned which parts are subject to change, and so they evidently did not read the entire post. I am actually switching to the XSPC dual-bay reservoir with a built-in pump, because on that one I can take off the facade and paint it red to make it look like a fuel gauge. I am also considering the XSPC Razor 670 block, but the GPU blocks are up in the air, because ideally I want chrome colored blocks and fittings. I think I will use an EK Supremacy Elite 1155 block, (I know it's expensive) because I like the chrome color and I have heard great things about it. I am also probably going to use a quiet Swiftech radiator, though I do not know the size I should get. Do I need to run two loops? Or do you think I can handle motherboard, dual-GPU and 1155 blocks off of the pump and reservoir contained in the XSPC combo?

Links:

Bay Reservoir/Pump Combo: http://www.xs-pc.com/products/pumps/d5-dual-bay-reservoirpump-combo/

Swiftech Radiator: http://www.swiftech.com/MCRX20-QP-RADIATOR-SERIES.aspx

 

[ChrisTahoe]

I have no clue about the built-in pump that comes with that res.

I used this res:
http://www.jab-tech.com/XSPC-Acrylic-Dual-5.25-Reservoir-for-Laing-D5-pr-4666.html

And then was able to use the Swiftech MCP 655 Pump D5 pump with it.

General rule of thumb is you want 120mm of rad per block, so for CPU, 2 GPUs, and MB you'd want 480mm of rad space at least, but an extra 120mm couldn't hurt. I used the Swiftech Quiet Power radiators when I was watercooled, and they worked well with my Silenx Effizio fans. However, both the Black Ice GTX rads are super thick with a very high fin density and with the right fans will cool like a beast. You will likely need louder fans to use a radiator like that though.

I'd do a single loop, and possibly run another pump (be it another D5 or otherwise) in series to keep the flow constant throughout the loop. I hated bleeding the loop, so I can't imagine having to do it twice, haha.

 

[KeyboardXpert]

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisTahoe

I have no clue about the built-in pump that comes with that res.

I used this res:
http://www.jab-tech.com/XSPC-Acrylic-Dual-5.25-Reservoir-for-Laing-D5-pr-4666.html

And then was able to use the Swiftech MCP 655 Pump D5 pump with it.

General rule of thumb is you want 120mm of rad per block, so for CPU, 2 GPUs, and MB you'd want 480mm of rad space at least, but an extra 120mm couldn't hurt. I used the Swiftech Quiet Power radiators when I was watercooled, and they worked well with my Silenx Effizio fans. However, both the Black Ice GTX rads are super thick with a very high fin density and with the right fans will cool like a beast. You will likely need louder fans to use a radiator like that though.

I'd do a single loop, and possibly run another pump (be it another D5 or otherwise) in series to keep the flow constant throughout the loop. I hated bleeding the loop, so I can't imagine having to do it twice, haha.

That's what I was afraid of. I was thinking about using SP120s, but the other day I saw some black and red Thermaltakes at RadioShack that looked great. Right now, I am only running one graphics card, but when the 700 series comes out and the prices decrease, I am going to get dual-SLI 670s. Do you think I could fit a 480 vertically in the Switch 810? And the case is also not up for discussion, it's being used. What if I did the pedestal mod for the 810? Do you think that may be better? Or I could also mount the rad externally...but I personally think that looks ugly.

 

[ChrisTahoe]

Keep it simple, put a 360mm rad up top, and a 240mm rad in front with the intake fans. Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be.

 

[KeyboardXpert]

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisTahoe

Keep it simple, put a 360mm rad up top, and a 240mm rad in front with the intake fans. Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be.

So I don't need to do dual 360s? What if I want to upgrade to tri-SLI later? And do the chipset and northbridge blocks count as separate blocks? Because then I probably screwed up my figures.

 

[oats2012]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZgctchIQ7M

take a watch of that video near the end. DO YOUR custom loop, I'm not implying use this swiftech AIO unit. but it demonstrates that a high end cpu with 2x 680's is easily cooled using proper parts by only a 240mm radiator. So no I honestly dont think that if you pick the correct parts for the loop that dual 360mms rad are needed. make your life simple with 360 and 240 and honestly if its 1 degree higher its not an issue. And not worth the hassel or price.

So adding another 660ti later to 600 mm of radiator should be an absolute non issue and should handle it well. parts now are so low output that monster radiator setups are for 2 things: ridiculous overclocking, or massive thermal overhead. if you ran 4 480mm rads all it will do is add thermal overhead to the loop. basically due to waters specific heat characteristics what your doing is adding more liquid to absorb heat. but you wont run much cooler from a massive setup versus a reasonable setup , only differecne is thermal overhead which is not necessary because you will get SAME TEMPS roughly

655 pump also gets my vote as it seems to be the best bar none from all the WC threads ive read. swiftech and alphacool will be getting my money once I go water cooling, I'm not really impressed with any EK items I've seen

Also I did read your entire original post. your intent for which parts were negotiable or not was not very clear to me.

Also there are other rams in red and black then the vengeance. Gskill snipers I use are essentially $5 difference most of the time between 1866 and 1600 thats what i meant by going higher because the upfront cost isn't much. you dont have to go gskill thats just mine. but tridents and dominators and other brands/models have same colors so do some investigating because vengeance may not be the best or highest mhz for the price

If you have an open budget thats great and go for the high end, but even with my uncapped budget for my next build after my new engineering job, I'm going to buy high end but not ignore value. I'm just advocating don't just pay $1000 extra for some sticker that makes things look cooler (extreme example).

 

[KeyboardXpert]

Quote:

Originally Posted by oats2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZgctchIQ7M

take a watch of that video near the end. DO YOUR custom loop, I'm not implying use this swiftech AIO unit. but it demonstrates that a high end cpu with 2x 680's is easily cooled using proper parts by only a 240mm radiator. So no I honestly dont think that if you pick the correct parts for the loop that dual 360mms rad are needed. make your life simple with 360 and 240 and honestly if its 1 degree higher its not an issue. And not worth the hassel or price.

So adding another 660ti later to 600 mm of radiator should be an absolute non issue and should handle it well. parts now are so low output that monster radiator setups are for 2 things: ridiculous overclocking, or massive thermal overhead. if you ran 4 480mm rads all it will do is add thermal overhead to the loop. basically due to waters specific heat characteristics what your doing is adding more liquid to absorb heat. but you wont run much cooler from a massive setup versus a reasonable setup , only differecne is thermal overhead which is not necessary because you will get SAME TEMPS roughly

655 pump also gets my vote as it seems to be the best bar none from all the WC threads ive read. swiftech and alphacool will be getting my money once I go water cooling, I'm not really impressed with any EK items I've seen

Also I did read your entire original post. your intent for which parts were negotiable or not was not very clear to me.

Also there are other rams in red and black then the vengeance. Gskill snipers I use are essentially $5 difference most of the time between 1866 and 1600 thats what i meant by going higher because the upfront cost isn't much. you dont have to go gskill thats just mine. but tridents and dominators and other brands/models have same colors so do some investigating because vengeance may not be the best or highest mhz for the price

If you have an open budget thats great and go for the high end, but even with my uncapped budget for my next build after my new engineering job, I'm going to buy high end but not ignore value. I'm just advocating don't just pay $1000 extra for some sticker that makes things look cooler (extreme example).

Well, not ENTIRELY open. I'm not going to pay $1000 extra to send my case off to Smooth Creations to get a professional paint job or anything. I am sorry for being so confrontational, I already have a set image in my mind for what this is going to look like.

RAM speed caps off at 1600 for non-OC I believe. All other modules are OC'd 1600mHz ones. At least I think so. I am not entirely sure.

I think I will still go for EK for blocks though, because they have the basic look I want. I am going to get Nickel+Acetal ones for the 670s, and those will get painted entirely red except for a 1" strip of black at the top, and "Ferrari" will be in a silver stencil across the top, or so I hope. I am trying to emulate the look of the Enzo's engine. The GPU blocks are going to be those two red, black, and silver cylinder covers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ferrari_Enzo_Engine.jpg
See what I mean?

The CPU block will be an EK Supremacy 1155, for the chrome look. I was also considering the XSPC RayStorm Chrome Edition, because it actually is chromey and it looks nice. Any suggestions on differences between the two? Though, looking at this picture of the Enzo's engine, it looks more like carbon fiber look with silver down below. I am going to have to do more research and thinking.

Unfortunately, I believe I am constrained to the Vario pump attached on to the back of the reservoir, but I think it's good because someone used that res in a Shinobi XL build and they highly recommended it.

Again, aesthetics are an enormous part of this build. The Snipers look cool, but the Vengeance have more of the look that I'm going for here.

Just a clarification, do you mean either a 360 or a 240? Or both? If it's both, I will put one in the top, (360) and one vertically under the drive cages (240).

 

[ChrisTahoe]

We meant both. And yes, in that configuration. I don't know about the EK block, but the Ray storm is one of the least restrictive blocks out there, thus allowing for better flow through the block.

The Swiftech 655 is a D5 pump. It will mount up perfectly to the XSPC res I linked, which also has the detachable faceplate you desire.

 

[oats2012]

I'm talking about as the other gentleman stated have a 360mm and a 240mm radiator combined in your loop =600 mm total of radiator. There is no need for two 360mm radiators as it will be an unnecessary headache, both for cooling and aesthetics you don't need more than 600mm combined rad for this build

I can't comment on how corsair makes their modules but I really don't understand what you mean by "capped at 1600" if it says 1866, or 2133 I was under the impression this was their designed speed for the RAM. The OC part is whether or not a persons board can pump enough juice and bandwidth to them to make them run at the stated speed. its about chipsets on the board etc. The ram itself is not OC'd if running at its stated speed from factory

 

[oats2012]

also its alright to "explain " your build and its image. We are inquiring, its a discussion not a prosecution of your ideas so being confrontational as you said is not needed. Relax a bit lol. We are trying to understand your vision and help it. Not have a witch hunt, so we're on your side looking to give input. so just take it in stride and know its all really just an exercise in you clarifying your vision and seeking input where you end up needing it

 

[KeyboardXpert]

Quote:

Originally Posted by oats2012

I'm talking about as the other gentleman stated have a 360mm and a 240mm radiator combined in your loop =600 mm total of radiator. There is no need for two 360mm radiators as it will be an unnecessary headache, both for cooling and aesthetics you don't need more than 600mm combined rad for this build

I can't comment on how corsair makes their modules but I really don't understand what you mean by "capped at 1600" if it says 1866, or 2133 I was under the impression this was their designed speed for the RAM. The OC part is whether or not a persons board can pump enough juice and bandwidth to them to make them run at the stated speed. its about chipsets on the board etc. The ram itself is not OC'd if running at its stated speed from factory

Are you sure? I thought they did OC it. Meh. Doesn't really matter.

And I will try to relax more.

 

[KeyboardXpert]

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisTahoe

We meant both. And yes, in that configuration. I don't know about the EK block, but the Ray storm is one of the least restrictive blocks out there, thus allowing for better flow through the block.

The Swiftech 655 is a D5 pump. It will mount up perfectly to the XSPC res I linked, which also has the detachable faceplate you desire.

Apologies in advance for the doublepost. LOL I just realized the one I chose comes with the D5 pump, so I am good.

 

[ChrisTahoe]

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeyboardXpert

Apologies in advance for the doublepost. LOL I just realized the one I chose comes with the D5 pump, so I am good.

In case you don't realize, there are multiple brands and variations of D5 pumps. D5 is the style. I'd trust a Swiftech MCP 655 over any other D5 pump. It is a tried and tested pump. On the vario version I had (different speed settings available) I had it on the max setting and it was still whisper quiet. I'm pretty open to most brands for WC components, but when it comes to pumps, Swiftech would get my money every time.

 

[chad4050]

Trust Swifttech there pumps have been flawless for most of the people here. The swiftech dual bay res with the MCP35x2 pumps have been nothing but amazing pumps and res. Listen to these guys ^ and they will lead you to what you desire. Word of advice for pumps Swiftech..