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I am currently using a dell s2240l 21.5" monitor, it's ah-ips 1920x1080, really happy with the image quality but is just a tad small for my liking, looking into getting the dell u2711 2560x1440. In my searching i have discovered both have a pixel pitch of 0.233, does this mean that the resolution will basically be identical as the 2560x1440 is spread out over 27 inches as opposed to the 1920x1080 spread over 21.5 inches? If so that would mean all your really gaining is the extra real estate of 6.5 inches, yeah? thanks.
 

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I have a Dell P2212Hb, which is for all intents and purposes a U2212HM with a TN panel, and is thus a 21.5" 1080p display, just like yours. I am also a huge fan of the smaller 21.5" monitors @ 1080p, specifically due to the very small pixel pitch which makes it so sharp that in games I can get away withhalf the AA I wowould require on a 24" 1080p display.

I have done a ton of research into pixel pitch, resolution, screen size, and how it all affects the image quality.
The 27" 1440p panels are, for all intents and purposes, going to give you the same level of sharpness you are used to, with the pitch being very close to that of the 21.5".

So yes, you are gaining "true" real estate, while sacrificing nothing except for frame rates due to the significant increase in total pixels.
 

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More resolution=more space. 2560x1440 offers far more desktop real-estate than 1920x1080.

The U2711 is the anti-flying spaghetti monster of sharpness since it uses an extremely grainy matte coating. PLS and the new Dell U2x13H/HM models use a much lighter matte coating


There are plenty of better, similarly priced 2560x1440 glossy & matte models available now with much better gaming performance and colors too.

Right now the Viewsonic VP2770 is the best all around 2560x1440 display, followed by the Dell U2713HM, but it has matte cross-hatching coating issues and higher input lag.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1335088/viewsonic-vp2770-2560x1440-semi-glossy-pls
 
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I love that image!

I have actually been looking at the Viewsonic VP2770 myself, as I am looking for a 1440p display but have reservations about both the Korean IPS displays and spending the money required for something like a Samsung S27B970D PLS Display...
The reasons being:
- I hate noticeable AG-coating, and once I see it I can't un-see it
- I love natural light, thus my home has tons of very big windows (even my computer area has 4 windows including 2x 8'x3.5' and a 3'x7'), thus a "PURE GLOSSY" display would eventually get on my nerves
- IPS is something that would benefit me greatly in terms of ergonomics (I hate having to constantly adjust my monitor, as I am a very fidgety person lol)
- Color Accuracy is important as I do photo and video editing (although my main thing is audio editing, the others are just hobbies)
- Low Input Lag is a must, as I have used some high-input-lag displays and it drives me insane! The U2312HM and 2311xi are the absolute best monitors I've tried as far as input lag goes, with the ZR2740w being almost imperceptibly slower but it's enough that I can notice (and again, becomes something I can't "un-see")
- VESA 100x100 mounts are mandatory, as it will be mounted on a fully-adjustable "arm" mount after a month or two
- Portrait-mode is very important, as I will not always have it mounted on the arm mount (maybe 80% of the time), so the stand it comes with NEEDS to be able to go to portrait
- Good "Response Time", basically I don't want to notice ghosting when gaming, although I do not seem to be particularly prone to this, but I'd rather it not be there at all
- GOOD WARRANTY AND GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE!!!
- I prefer the bezels to be as slim as possible (on ALL FOUR SIDES)
- I vastly prefer matte bezels and a "utilitarian" look (think Dell P-series and U-series), and I cannot stand shiny bezels or "we spend millions on our design team and we have to justify it somehow dammit!" designs

The first LCD monitor I ever bought for myself was a Viewsonic, the VA2012 which I purchased immediately after it came out. It wasn't the highest-end at the time, but it was 1680x1050 (16:10), had the perfect amount of AG, very adjustable picture settings, sharp image, etc. I still use it as a secondary display to this day! Not one dead or stuck pixel since I got it in ~05 or 06!!

Based on the above criteria, would the new Viewsonic meet my needs? You are pretty much the biggest expert on the monitor that I've seen, outside of Viewsonic themselves!
 

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looking at that graph the s2740l and s2440l look the best to me?? I dont know what im looking for in that pic lol, but they seem the clearest.
 

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That's because they're glossy.
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Sometimes the texture of the surface is a bit different despite its thickness/haze value being the same. That can make things appear 'better' or 'worse' in that sort of image but not necessarily less or more grainy in reality. The GW50 series for example has a moderately grainy surface but appears decent in that image and perhaps comparable to the U2713HM. The images are very good at demonstrating the difference between grainy matte (like the XL2420T and U2711) and glossy surfaces though.
 

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The images are very good at demonstrating the difference between grainy matte (like the XL2420T and U2711) and glossy surfaces though.
Eh, honestly I think that image greatly exaggerates the difference. After using a U2711 for years I barely even noticed the coating. It was only ever really apparent on whites, but even then I wouldn't say it effected IQ much.

Some people may be more sensitive to it than others I suppose, but it was never a problem personally.

I would agree that there are better options available now though if you're buying new. The current high-end PLS and AH-IPS screens offer improved contrast ratios, panel uniformity and come with lower power consumption and input lag.
 

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what would be the recommendation for a 2560x1440 panel, purely based on image quality?
 

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I just picked up an Asus PB278Q for $650 locally. Uses the Samsung PLS panel @ 2560x1440.

Loving the extra real estate. Picture is very, very good as well.
I recently had the samsung s27a950 which is PLS as well, i liked it but didn't love it, ended up giving it to a mate cos he thinks it's the best thing ever invented lol. I think the 1920x1080 may have been part of the issue, the colors looked a tad over saturated aswell even calibrated with the spyder elite. I have literally gone through 4 HD tv's and 3 monitors in the last yr and a bit and still not completely satisfied.
 

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I just picked up an Asus PB278Q for $650 locally. Uses the Samsung PLS panel @ 2560x1440.

Loving the extra real estate. Picture is very, very good as well.
Just realised you have the samsung s27a950 aswell, how does the asus compare, is it similar cos they are both PLS or does the extra resolution make a massive difference to image quality?
 

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I recently had the samsung s27a950 which is PLS as well, i liked it but didn't love it, ended up giving it to a mate cos he thinks it's the best thing ever invented lol. I think the 1920x1080 may have been part of the issue, the colors looked a tad over saturated aswell even calibrated with the spyder elite. I have literally gone through 4 HD tv's and 3 monitors in the last yr and a bit and still not completely satisfied.
The s27a950d is a 1080p 120hz monitor using a TN panel not PLS. It has excellent color for a TN panel but a glossy, very reflective coating.

The pb278q I bought simply for the resolution and lack of a glossy screen. The color is better than the s27a950d but not a lot better.
 

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what would be the recommendation for a 2560x1440 panel, purely based on image quality?
That will largely depend on your personal tastes. All of the thigh end offerings have the potential for excellent color accuracy when calibrated (if not right out of the box).

The general consensus is that a glossy panel will give the clearest, most vibrant image. Of course if you have poor control over your ambient lighting a gloss panel can go from being the clearest to completely unusable.

IE:

imac_glossy_screen.jpg


The S27B970D is the highest end PLS atm, and edges the other models out in contrast ratio, uniformity and accuracy when calibrated, but it is glossy, which may or may not be to your liking.

The Viewsonic mentioned above is an excellent choice as well if you prefer matte, and according to TFT central has some of the best factory calibrated presets available.
 

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man, i dont know where i got that it was PLS from then, no wonder the viewing angles were so shocking on it, that was what p!ssed me off about it the most.

I was sure it was marketed as being pls, guess you can get confused when you look at so many monitors lol, even more glad i got rid of it to my mate now lol... Hmm well your not selling the asus very well either lol.. thinking i might have to stick with my s2240L for a little bit and grab a 2nd 7970 instead lol, that way i will be ready for a 2560x1440 monitor when the time comes... maybe.
 

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That will largely depend on your personal tastes. All of the thigh end offerings have the potential for excellent color accuracy when calibrated (if not right out of the box).

The general consensus is that a glossy panel will give the clearest, most vibrant image. Of course if you have poor control over your ambient lighting a gloss panel can go from being the clearest to completely unusable.

IE:

imac_glossy_screen.jpg


The S27B970D is the highest end PLS atm, and edges the other models out in contrast ratio, uniformity and accuracy when calibrated, but it is glossy, which may or may not be to your liking.

The Viewsonic mentioned above is an excellent choice as well if you prefer matte, and according to TFT central has some of the best factory calibrated presets available.
Yeah, i do like the glossy monitors. They get alot of hate lol but when they are calibrated i think they look the best.
 

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man, i dont know where i got that it was PLS from then, no wonder the viewing angles were so shocking on it, that was what p!ssed me off about it the most.

I was sure it was marketed as being pls, guess you can get confused when you look at so many monitors lol, even more glad i got rid of it to my mate now lol... Hmm well your not selling the asus very well either lol.. thinking i might have to stick with my s2240L for a little bit and grab a 2nd 7970 instead lol, that way i will be ready for a 2560x1440 monitor when the time comes... maybe.
The Asus is just fine actually. Normally when I look at monitors, I'd end up buying and taking back a few before I find the one that looks good to me. The Asus is staying right here with me because it's colors do a great job matching up to a much more expensive LG IPS HDTV sitting a few feet from it.
 

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Well i quite like the look of the S27B970D actually , and i have owned quite a few samsung hdtv's and monitors and i ALWAYS say never again lol, but the pricks might have just suckered me in again lol
 

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how does the S27A850D compare to the much more expensive 970D??

The 850D is a TN panel isn't it? lol.

It's pls i have just read somewhere, so i cant see any major differences... yet.
 

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how does the S27A850D compare to the much more expensive 950D??
You mean the 970D (950D is a TN panel)? The 970D has tighter preset calibration, a slightly higher static contrast ratio and better uniformity (via the uniformity correction tool). It also allows access to the hardware LUT if you're into advanced calibration.

On the other hand the 850D has some extra features like pivot/swivel and USB3.0 that the 970D lacks. The 850D is also matte.
 

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You mean the 970D (950D is a TN panel)? The 970D has tighter preset calibration, a slightly higher static contrast ratio and better uniformity (via the uniformity correction tool). It also allows access to the hardware LUT if you're into advanced calibration.

On the other hand the 850D has some extra features like pivot/swivel and USB3.0 that the 970D lacks. The 850D is also matte.
Yeah, i quickly corrected that lol, I use the spyder elite to calibrate with so would the missing hardware lut on the 850D matter at all?? I can pick up the 850D for $599 near me but cant see anywhere that sells the 970D atm.
 
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