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In their own words:

When you use your credit card online for the first time using your laptop, your IP address goes into a database, tied to your name. Unfortunately for you, you left IPv6 enabled, so your IP address contains your MAC address, linking your machine to your identity.
All these databases have agreements and are connected to one another.
Every website you visit
Every product you buy
Every person you talk to
And the weight of your right nut
are all stored to later be fed into a machine which has all these aspects of other people too.
You're grouped into categories of similars.
Sociologists, psychologists, psychiatrists, and brainy types at think tanks, brainstorm ways to control each category of people in various ways for the whims of

And I'll stop there.

Scary, ey?

In their words:
Vendors can:
  • Deterministically determine that two or more devices belong to the same user or household
  • Probabilistically determine that two or more devices belong to the same user or household
  • Actively scan device characteristics for identification for probabilistic identification if users have allowed vendors to actively scan device characteristics for identification (Special Feature 2)
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Vendors can:
  • Combine data obtained offline with data collected online in support of one or more Purposes or Special Purposes.
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Vendors can:
  • Create an identifier using data collected automatically from a device for specific characteristics, e.g. IP address, user-agent string.
  • Use such an identifier to attempt to re-identify a device. CAN?

Vendors cannot:
  • Create an identifier using data collected via actively scanning a device for specific characteristics, e.g. installed font or screen resolution without users’ separate opt-in to actively scanning device characteristics for identification.
  • Use such an identifier to re-identify a device. CAN'T

How can they "can" and "can't" do the same thing? Lol

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Apply market research to generate audience insights


To apply market research to generate audience insights vendors can:
  • Provide aggregate reporting to advertisers or their representatives about the audiences reached by their ads, through panel-based and similarly derived insights.
  • Provide aggregate reporting to publishers about the audiences that were served or interacted with content and/or ads on their property by applying panel-based and similarly derived insights.
  • Associate offline data with an online user for the purposes of market research to generate audience insights if vendors have declared to match and combine offline data sources (Feature 1)
  • Combine this information with other information previously collected including from across websites and apps.
Vendors cannot:
  • Measure the performance and effectiveness of ads that a specific user was served or interacted with, without a Legal Basis to measure ad performance.
  • Measure which content a specific user was served and how they interacted with it, without a Legal Basis to measure content performance.
What's "Legal Basis" - anything they want? Privacy laws are lax

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(requisite supporting documentation, minimal - source: www.rockpapershotgun.com [gaming website])

(The ones you can disable are useless compared to the ones you can, all except for geolocation. I can't imagine why a random website would do all this data collection unless they were being paid a very decent amount by a 3rd party). Pretty much every website has crap this bad. That's a LOT of money paying for a LOT of information on a LOT of people. Who's behind it? What are they trying to accomplish
? (Hint: it's not selling you things, but that happens too from other people who pay to access a limited portion of the central database)


If you want to see the extent, check out The Times & The Sunday Times - it should prompt you. At the bottom under special purposes - prevent fraud. So as much information about your identity is shared between ALL of those companies. Who do with it what they want - their privacy policies vary, you couldn't check them all if you wanted to. And it's mandatory anyway, you can't opt out!!
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The Times & The Sunday Times - it should prompt you for privacy settings. At the bottom under special purposes - prevent fraud. So as much information about your identity is shared between ALL of those companies. Who do with it what they want - their privacy policies vary, you couldn't check them all if you wanted to. And it's mandatory anyway, you can't opt out!!

"Note: Data collected and used to ensure security, prevent fraud, and debug may include automatically-sent device characteristics for identification, precise geolocation data, and data obtained by actively scanning device characteristics for identification without separate disclosure and/or opt-in.

Vendors can:
  • Deterministically determine that two or more devices belong to the same user or household
  • Probabilistically determine that two or more devices belong to the same user or household
  • Actively scan device characteristics for identification for probabilistic identification if users have allowed vendors to actively scan device characteristics for identification (Special Feature 2)
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Vendors can:
  • Combine data obtained offline with data collected online in support of one or more Purposes or Special Purposes.
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Vendors can:
  • Create an identifier using data collected automatically from a device for specific characteristics, e.g. IP address, user-agent string.
  • Use such an identifier to attempt to re-identify a device. CAN?

Vendors cannot:
  • Create an identifier using data collected via actively scanning a device for specific characteristics, e.g. installed font or screen resolution without users’ separate opt-in to actively scanning device characteristics for identification.
  • Use such an identifier to re-identify a device. CAN'T

How can they "can" and "can't" do the same thing? Lol

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Apply market research to generate audience insights

To apply market research to generate audience insights vendors can:
  • Provide aggregate reporting to advertisers or their representatives about the audiences reached by their ads, through panel-based and similarly derived insights.
  • Provide aggregate reporting to publishers about the audiences that were served or interacted with content and/or ads on their property by applying panel-based and similarly derived insights.
  • Associate offline data with an online user for the purposes of market research to generate audience insights if vendors have declared to match and combine offline data sources (Feature 1)
  • Combine this information with other information previously collected including from across websites and apps.
Vendors cannot:
  • Measure the performance and effectiveness of ads that a specific user was served or interacted with, without a Legal Basis to measure ad performance.
  • Measure which content a specific user was served and how they interacted with it, without a Legal Basis to measure content performance.
What's "Legal Basis" - anything they want? Privacy laws are lax

Who are "advertisers" or "publishers" - are they ONLY advertisers and publishers, or can their businesses have multiple purposes?

SO MANY SITES ARE LIKE THIS.

They've already collected so much data on everyone, anyone "new" to the internet aka young people just starting to use internet connected devices, would be identified within minutes of using their first device. Maybe not by name, but by existence. Soon after by gender and age, and on and on it goes




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Permodo GmbH

Skimbit Ltd

Adxperience SAS

BeeswaxIO Corporation

Bombora Inc.

DeepIntent, Inc.

Blue

RevJet

Moloco, Inc.

GP One GmbH

uppr GmbH

Zeta Global

Polar Mobile Group Inc.

IPONWEB GmbH

Blis Global Limited

Arcspire Limited

Quality Media Network GmbH

Market Resource Partners LLC

ADventori SAS

BIDSWITCH GmbH

communicationAds GmbH & Co. KG

2KDirect, Inc. (dba iPromote)

GumGum, Inc.

Synkd Ltd.

INFINIA MOBILE S.L.

AcuityAds Inc.

Localsensor B.V.

Adobe Advertising Cloud

Adnami Aps

iPROM

Dailymotion SA

Index Exchange, Inc.

Smart Adserver

Amazon Advertising

Bucksense Inc

Vidazoo Ltd

Effiliation / Effinity

Wagawin GmbH

: Tappx

OneFootball GmbH

Rockabox Media Ltd t/a Scoota

Axel Springer Teaser Ad GmbH

Eskimi

TabMo SAS

CentralNic Poland sp. z o.o.

Comscore B.V.

Samba TV, Inc.

Revcontent, LLC

Yieldlab (Virtual Minds GmbH)

Beachfront Media LLC

BidMachine Inc.

adhood.com

Sizmek by Amazon

Signal Digital Inc.

InMobi Pte Ltd

Targetspot Belgium SPRL

TripleLift, Inc.

Adserve.zone / Artworx AS

Magnite, Inc. (Outstream)

Epsilon

Oracle Data Cloud - Moat

Inskin Media LTD

Fifty Technology Limited

LiquidM Technology GmbH

diva-e products

ViewPay

Cavai AS & UK

Adobe Audience Manager, Adobe Experience Platform

Fandom, Inc.

Grabit Interactive Media Inc dba KERV Interctive

Adkernel LLC

Impact Tech Inc.

LiveRamp

Gamoshi Ltd

ucfunnel Co., Ltd.

Smartology Limited

SublimeSkinz - Adledge

Magnite CTV, Inc.

AdGear Technologies, Inc.

Underdog Media LLC

Rich Audience Technologies SL

Ziff Davis LLC

N.Rich Technologies Inc.

ADITION (Virtual Minds GmbH)

Platform161 B.V.

SpringServe, LLC

Protected Media LTD

Adikteev

Reignn Platform Ltd

Emerse Sverige AB

Bannerflow AB

MPX GmbH

GDMServices, Inc. d/b/a Bidmind

The MediaGrid Inc.

mainADV Srl

Snapsort Inc., operating as Sortable

Nativo, Inc.

Google Advertising Products

adnanny.com SLU

NEURAL.ONE

Crimtan Holdings Limited

Reppublika Data Analytics and Technologies GmbH

retailAds GmbH & Co. KG

Vidoomy Media SL

Content Ignite

Celtra, Inc.

Kubient Inc.

NEXD

Adsolutions BV

Jaduda GmbH

Azerion Holding B.V.

Pure Local Media GmbH

Triton Digital Canada Inc.

Exponential Interactive, Inc d/b/a VDX.tv

Appier PTE Ltd

Between Exchange

DistroScale, Inc.

Jivox Corporation

EDGE NPD Sp. z o.o.

LoopMe Limited

SINGLESPOT SAS

AdDefend GmbH

Improve Digital

Lucid Holdings, LLC

Taboola Europe Limited

United Internet Media GmbH

MindTake Research GmbH

Click Tech Limited

Showheroes SE

Dianomi PLC

Dentsu London Limited

Delta Projects AB

Zemanta Inc.

Justtag Sp. z o.o.

BusinessClick

Meetrics GmbH

Adex (Virtual Minds GmbH)

MediaMath, Inc.

Adevinta Spain S.L.U.

Adloox SA

OnAudience Ltd

ADARA MEDIA UNLIMITED

1020, Inc. dba Placecast and Ericsson Emodo

usemax advertisement (Emego GmbH)

Near Intelligence

Rezonence Limited

smartclip Europe GmbH

Weborama

Comcast International France SAS

Bidstack Limited

Telecoming S.A.

Brand Advance Ltd

Quantcast

PubWise, LLLP

Roku Advertising Services

BEINTOO SPA

Meson Mediation LLC

Pubfinity LLC

Sovrn Holdings Inc

AUDIOMOB LTD

Kargo Global Inc.

DoubleVerify Inc.

Tri-table Sp. z o.o.

Digital East GmbH

Papirfly AS

AdColony, Inc.

Golden Bees

YOC AG

LinkedIn Ireland Unlimited Company

The Trade Desk

Goldbach Group AG

Mobsuccess

THE NEWCO S.R.L.

Internet BillBoard a.s.

Knorex

TAPTAP Digital SL

Nubo LTD

Artefact Deutschland GmbH

EASY Marketing GmbH

ShowHeroes SRL

ad6media

Wunderkind Corporation

Mindlytix SAS

Good-Loop Ltd

Online Solution

Seeding Alliance GmbH

NextRoll, Inc.

Adpone SL

Yahoo EMEA Limited

MADVERTISE MEDIA

Mobfox US LLC

NEORY GmbH

UberMedia, Inc.

Outbrain UK Ltd

Eyeota Pte Ltd

Admixer EU GmbH

TrueData Solutions, Inc.

Audienzz AG

Sportradar AG

AAX LLC

Accorp Sp. z o.o.

Adacado Technologies Inc. (DBA Adacado)

INVIBES GROUP

INNITY

SMARTSTREAM.TV GmbH

Yieldmo, Inc.

Sirdata

SpotX, Inc

AddApptr GmbH

Cloud Technologies S.A.

Smartclip Hispania S.L.

HUMAN

advanced store GmbH

Impactify SARL

plista GmbH

MGID Inc.

DIGITEKA Technologies

Hybrid Theory Global Ltd

Neodata Group srl

Keymantics

Telefonica Investigación y Desarrollo S.A.U

Open Web Technologies Ltd

Yieldlove GmbH

BeOp

ADYOULIKE SA

Adtarget Teknoloji A.S.

MARKETPERF CORP

DNA-I.COM

DynAdmic

Clipcentric, Inc.

Amobee Inc.

A Million Ads

Bmind a Sales Maker Company, S.L.

twiago GmbH

Strossle International AB

Opinary GmbH

AdSpirit GmbH

Kayzen

Hearts and Science München GmbH

BidTheatre AB

vitrado GmbH

AudienceProject Aps

Bannernow, Inc.

Maximus Live LLC

lead alliance GmbH

Nielsen Marketing Cloud

The Reach Group GmbH

Justpremium BV

MiQ Digital Ltd

PIXIMEDIA

Online Advertising Network Sp. z o.o.

IPSOS MORI UK LTD

SunMedia

Cazamba Serviços de Internet Ltda

Euvic 360e-com Sp. z o.o.

Opt Out Advertising B.V.

Mediakeys Platform

Tapjoy, Inc.

GeoEdge

Readpeak Oy

Exactag GmbH

Otto (GmbH & Co KG)

Nano Interactive Group Ltd.

Dentsu Italia SpA

42 Ads GmbH

Sharethrough, Inc

VECTAURY

Avocet Systems Limited

Ogury Ltd.

DEFINE MEDIA GMBH

Active Agent (Virtual Minds GmbH)

OneTag Limited

NetSuccess, s.r.o.

Samba TV UK Limited

Adform A/S

Unruly Group LLC

Vibrant Media Limited

SMADEX, S.L.U.

Kwanko

BSmartData GmbH

Adtelligent Inc.

Bigabid Media ltd

ADMAN - Phaistos Networks, S.A.

PLAYGROUND XYZ EMEA LTD

video intelligence AG

7Hops.com Inc. (ZergNet)

Rakuten Marketing LLC

Factor Eleven GmbH

EMX Digital LLC

FeedAd GmbH

eMarketingSolutions, Online Marketing S.L.

RTB House S.A.

RMSi Radio Marketing Service interactive GmbH

Integral Ad Science, Inc.

Clinch Labs LTD

Adhese

Disqus

Smaato, Inc.

Anzu Virtual Reality LTD

Captify Technologies Limited

Teads France SAS

Pinpoll GmbH

6Sense Insights, Inc.

Apester Ltd

Bidtellect, Inc

InsurAds Technologies SA.

Criteo SA

Media.net Advertising FZ-LLC

OpenX

Mirando GmbH & Co KG

Beaconspark Ltd

Adverticum cPlc.

LifeStreet Corporation

NC Audience Exchange, LLC (NewsIQ)

Contact Impact GmbH/Axel Springer Teaser Ad GmbH

audio content & control GmbH

Ask Locala

Seedtag Advertising S.L

33Across

AdsWizz Inc.

GroupM UK Limited

Magnite, Inc.

SelectMedia International LTD

Xandr, Inc.

Liftoff Mobile, Inc.

Ezoic Inc.

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They know everything about who you are and what you do, and do what they want with the information. Sell it for profit, whatever!
 

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TL;DR: Life is too short to care :p
It's too late to care lol. The second they started "allowing" people to "opt out" of being "tracked" I knew they got all they needed (and that any resistance from that day on would be futile). The very vague descriptions they must have been forced to put up, detailing what they do, are very informative. Even though they lack specifics, the lack of specificity is telling... the sheer amount of data they must have! (Ichirou, I know life's too short to care, but wrote this for you so you should read it because it'll take you a lot less time than it did for me to write it!)

Now that they've got everyone, all they have do is keep current: attach new devices to individuals as they buy them, and (this is the best part) there are already identities waiting for children - created from information provided by their relatives well before they could even read. When the child creates their first email address or just the account to be able to use their first cell phone: BAM!!! identity attached! Personalized advertising: ready to go! Social manipulation:
COMMENCING>>>... ... ... ...

Back to attaching new devices to individuals: You use your new device on your home WiFi and at the very least your surname's attached. Log into your work email (you didn't know was provided by a contracted service by one of the big evils), and then it's your first name too, along with... EVERYTHING, Joe Smith. Because why not? Every website you've ever visited, thing you've ever ordered, your hobbies, your income bracket, your age, your demographic, your political beliefs, your religion, whether you're behind on bills, your medical problems and possible medical problems. Probable future medical problems, how you sleep, what you eat. If you take supplements, how long it's been since you talked to dad. I won't waste time typing more. Suffice to say, they've got everything.

So, now that they got what they came for - what are they going to do with it to screw us over next?


from OP:
Vendors can:
  • Combine data obtained offline with data collected online in support of one or more Purposes or Special Purposes.
Even offline information isn't safe! Once some of your data has (innocently) been put through one of the services that track things, it's shared and swapped according to their Purposes and Special Purposes (proper nouns, those must be terms defined somewhere, probably mean "Purposes - anything we want" and "Special Purposes - anything at all".
Say the first place your info goes only shares with necessary internal departments and research. So the original service shares your information with "research inc1". Research inc1 got your information because the original service has a policy to share with only research. Research inc1 has no such policy though, so when Research inc1 needs money to continue researching, they sell your info because it's their policy. All these companies share/trade/sell information to ANYONE WHO WILL PAY (it's policy). Often, the process is automatic: 120 different ways to Sunday
 

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They would make you take your meds. But it always boils down to getting a mobile phone number for identification processing. But don't let me get started with those amazing rechargeable lithium battery devices..
 

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They would make you take your meds. But it always boils down to getting a mobile phone number for identification processing. But don't let me get started with those amazing rechargeable lithium battery devices..
Are you trying to mock me? Good job.
 

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You pay to play...
Yeah, but

Here's the contract:
By using this service we'll share info with people and advertizers to make your service better and so ads are relevant to you. And some data will be shared with different groups for research purposes

Here's what happens:
All your data is processed and then predatory psychology is applied to manipulate individuals and the masses - bend them to the will of



If most people knew what was actually happening, they'd immediately refuse to use any of the major services. That's why I posted this. If you just say "yeah, it's bad, that's the way it is" you're doing a disservice. It doesn't show how bad (very bad) and it isn't set in stone for things to be this way
 

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Here's the contract:
By using this service we'll share info with people and advertizers to make your service better and so ads are relevant to you. And some data will be shared with different groups research purposes

Here's what happens:
All your data is processed and then predatory psychology is applied to manipulate individuals and the masses - bend them to the will of



If most people knew what was actually happening, they'd immediately refuse to use any of the major services. That's why I posted this. If you just say "yeah, it's bad, that's the way it is" you're doing a disservice. It doesn't show how bad (very bad) and it isn't set in stone for things to be this way
Yeah, but

There's a way to reject the contract. Don't use "this service."
 

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Yeah, but

There's a way to reject the contract. Don't use "this service."
Since I know you're not trolling I'm going to make a full reply.


No. Say you're tagged in a photo on facebook. That's part of the data compiled as "you". You don't have facebook? Doesn't matter, that's you, it's just not tied to the actual "You" yet.

You use your credit card on a website... any website that's even semi-established. That's "you"

You sign up for any significant email service - that, is "you".

Even if "they" don't know who "you" are specifically, data of all all "your" actions exist, and always, it's begging, pleading: I want to be associated to the real "You". I want to be associated to the real "You". Over, and over, and over.

No matter how hard you try to avoid the "advertising" system, you will fail. Actually, you already have failed, probably over a decade ago if you stayed current with internet privacy developments and always tried to protect your identity. Why'd ya fail? Because it's everywhere, in everything, and the rules change on the fly. Maybe all it takes is for someone to put your name and your phone number into their phone's contacts, managed by a 3rd part app....dingdingding!

Here's where it starts: Once you set up your credit card for online billing, the "you" of "your" email service becomes tied to the actual You. Since that email service is tied to a company that has active content on almost every website in existence, every website "you" ever visited while signed in to "your" email service is tied to You. And all of the websites you browsed and things you searched for when you were signed out is tied to you too. "That sounds like magic Mike. How'd they get all that?" Well, they should've have been able to. I don't know who was responsible for developing and approving the final IPv6 draft: it puts your MAC address in your IP, so every website you visit sees your unique ID. All that has to happen for everything you ever did online to be attached to you is that unique device ID being attached to You (capital Y) with a phone, credit card. Every one of those companies listed in this thread (and so many more) all have some or all of your information. They definitely have your device ID(s) and your name. Whether they collected it themselves, traded others for it, or bought it from others for cash, they have it.

Remember this from above?
I'll forgive you if you skimmed and missed it:

"Vendors can:
  • Deterministically determine that two or more devices belong to the same user or household"
Even well before IPv6, everything was being tracked. Way back when IPv4 was King, your sister had her credit card tied to her email. Since they knew her IP address all that time, and they now know Your Name, it can be tied to "your" internet activity at that IP address (which was collected for many years before they found out "Your" identity). Because they have access to literally All, Of, Everything, Ever-- an AI program (AI: the trendy modern word for "program for analysis") can separate that IP's entire internet activity into the 'browsings of individuals'. Remember how google told people a long time ago estimates of their age and gender based on their web/search/email activity while signed into their services? That same technology can filter the entirety of an IP address's web activity related to website browsing(yes it was stored by hundreds of "advertisers" putting things like small, single, transparent, 1x1 pixel GIF images on them). To refine search histories further, they can sort by time of day that different sites were accessed or usually accessed. The schedule of all individuals in your household would be inferred, further increasing certainty. Not only do they have your search history, they know all the days you stayed home from school. They know A LOT.

I could go on and on and on and on about what they do and how they do it and why it is you can't opt out of being tracked by avoiding "a website" or "a service".

If your parents never had internet and you've always lived alone since you moved out, all it takes is one screwup at one point in time (and get this: it doesn't have to be your screwup). Your cousin thinks you're a weirdo with your flip phone so he buys you an android, putting all your information in it. When he's over one day you go take a sh!t and he grabs your phone, puts your SIM card in and hands it back to you when you get back to the couch. Yep, you're screwed! Just like that, 15 years of reading and adjusting practices, down the toilet. Maybe all you have to do is travel by plane. Maybe you needed to get in line at the school registrar's office by using your phone number.

Do you know how many people were identified when IPv6 came into broad use? Me neither, but I can say for SURE it was tons. Don't forget with all the COVID contact tracing crap - I bet lots of people got hoovered up there. Since the internet has been a constantly evolving space, the likelihood that you never missed a development and are still anonymous? It ain't great. Even today people still don't know that their MAC address is attached to their every request. "Router blocks all" is ancient history, and there was NEVER a public service announcement (why would that be?...)


Your pile of data is always growing, whether you use services or not. And all of your previous devices, their entire search histories, browsing histories, account histories, correspondence histories that at one point weren't tied to you - they are now. They waited a long time.
Remember the day? The day one of your friends for some reason decided to try a 3rd party contacts app for his android phone, he imported his contacts! And it turned out, one of the "marketers" who just want you to see the correct advertisements made that app for the express purpose of data mining the identities of people who so far had managed to avoid attaching their real name to their online ID. OF COURSE YOU DON'T REMEMBER, the dumbass did it himself without telling you. Actually, the idiot still useds the darn thing.

Conclusion:
When a complete information set exists for all people in entire populations, creating an advanced computer model on the macro all the way down the micro level is possible. Because of the volume of information and the knowledge humanity has gathered in psychology, sociology, and history, a very accurate model can be made (this may sound obvious, but having nearly complete information on all parts of a system is especially helpful to modeling it). Once a model is made, it can be used. How? Many ways, it depends on the will of the person driving the tractor. If they want to shape the future to their imagining, their imaginings are inputted to the model. After processing, the actions needed to be taken by parts of the system are presented to the user. So not everyone could make use of the tractor, just those already with access to large parts of the system (it's for those who are in power to remain in power).
The AI is an active system, so if when a mistake is made (a public reaction is not as expected), the unintended actions are just more points of information for the model to use. After incorporated, accuracy improves. All that crap goes into the model and gets applied to existing information so that the previous formulas representing populations are refined. Also, everything the "AI" spits out doesn't have to be followed - if its advice seems wrong or is even known to be wrong, the expected result from the wrong advice can be input as actually having happened. Then the AI can "learn" from it, improving the accuracy of future advice. During development (and ongoing tuning), this can be repeated as many times as it takes until it's no longer necessary (until the accuracy is so high, if it was shown to Joe Schmoe, he'd faint!)


You can't opt out. It's really a sad state of affairs.
Hope you read it - it took me a while to write. Only a couple run on sentences, bear with me!
 

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Your cousin thinks you're a weirdo with your flip phone so he buys you an android, putting all your information in it. When he's over one day you go take a sh!t and he grabs your phone, puts your SIM card in and hands it back to you when you get back to the couch. Yep, you're screwed!
When I read that I bursted out laughing. Hahaha. Funny stuff.
all the nonsense in the world I boil it down to worship of man made money and demonic influence/control. Not sure what else.
Seems everyday more and more people become mentally and spirtually broken. Just my personal belief.
 

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Yeah, but

There's a way to reject the contract. Don't use "this service."
Don't use the internet. Don't use a bank. Don't use a credit card.

Don't have a home. Don't buy food. Don't live.

There is no way to reject the contract.

It is forced upon you.

There are only tiny ways to say, "#$%& you" to this, until enough people do to reach critical mass.

And good luck with that.

"Bread and circuses". "Panem et circenses" - Juvenal.

Now, Japan has been really astonishingly slow to accept the "cashless society" - there are still a remarkable number of places which will only accept cash, and even Amazon allows you to pay in cash on delivery or by visiting the local convenience store - but SARS-CoV2 was remarkably useful in the push for a "cashless society" here; some shops might not have credit card readers, but they all have mobile phone based payment methods now... often five or six different ones!
 

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Don't use the internet. Don't use a bank. Don't use a credit card.

Don't have a home. Don't buy food. Don't live.

There is no way to reject the contract.

It is forced upon you.

There are only tiny ways to say, "#$%& you" to this, until enough people do to reach critical mass.

And good luck with that.

"Bread and circuses". "Panem et circenses" - Juvenal.

Now, Japan has been really astonishingly slow to accept the "cashless society" - there are still a remarkable number of places which will only accept cash, and even Amazon allows you to pay in cash on delivery or by visiting the local convenience store - but SARS-CoV2 was remarkably useful in the push for a "cashless society" here; some shops might not have credit card readers, but they all have mobile phone based payment methods now... often five or six different ones!
I had no idea Japan liked cash so much! Do you know if it started with their financial trouble [that began] in the early 90s [and never ended] unfortunately [a lot like ours] lol
 

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I had no idea Japan liked cash so much! Do you know if it started with their financial trouble [that began] in the early 90s [and never ended] unfortunately [a lot like ours] lol
It's partly because of the culture, but main reasons are security and reliability. When Japan has something that works well it tends to stick around, even though the rest of the world may have 'moved on'.

As to why cards and other cashless methods haven't really picked up you'd have to ask someone in those industries why they're having trouble getting in. Probably because of reasons outlined in articles like this: Why Japan Prefers Cash

Oh and sorry, I kinda stopped reading your original post after the bit about IPv6, there are extensions that remedy your main concerns with privacy: RFC4941 & RFC7217

There shouldn't be any reason to not use IPv6 aside from the fact that remote services don't support it lol.
 

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It's partly because of the culture, but main reasons are security and reliability. When Japan has something that works well it tends to stick around, even though the rest of the world may have 'moved on'.

As to why cards and other cashless methods haven't really picked up you'd have to ask someone in those industries why they're having trouble getting in. Probably because of reasons outlined in articles like this: Why Japan Prefers Cash

Oh and sorry, I kinda stopped reading your original post after the bit about IPv6, there are extensions that remedy your main concerns with privacy: RFC4941 & RFC7217

There shouldn't be any reason to not use IPv6 aside from the fact that remote services don't support it lol.
Interesting article... Their biggest fear is "leakage or improper use of personal information".

Btw, my point isn't that you can't remove your MAC address from IPv6. You're still tracked totally and completely if you do and there's history of almost everything going all the way back to at least the mid 2000s. To know exactly how you (and the majority of people) are being tracked+ a bit of what those "advertisers" are up to with your information, you just have to read my OP + what I wrote in posts 5 and 11. If that's something you're interested in
 

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Since I know you're not trolling I'm going to make a full reply.


No. Say you're tagged in a photo on facebook. That's part of the data compiled as "you". You don't have facebook? Doesn't matter, that's you, it's just not tied to the actual "You" yet.

You use your credit card on a website... any website that's even semi-established. That's "you"

You sign up for any significant email service - that, is "you".

Even if "they" don't know who "you" are specifically, data of all all "your" actions exist, and always, it's begging, pleading: I want to be associated to the real "You". I want to be associated to the real "You". Over, and over, and over.

No matter how hard you try to avoid the "advertising" system, you will fail. Actually, you already have failed, probably over a decade ago if you stayed current with internet privacy developments and always tried to protect your identity. Why'd ya fail? Because it's everywhere, in everything, and the rules change on the fly. Maybe all it takes is for someone to put your name and your phone number into their phone's contacts, managed by a 3rd part app....dingdingding!

Here's where it starts: Once you set up your credit card for online billing, the "you" of "your" email service becomes tied to the actual You. Since that email service is tied to a company that has active content on almost every website in existence, every website "you" ever visited while signed in to "your" email service is tied to You. And all of the websites you browsed and things you searched for when you were signed out is tied to you too. "That sounds like magic Mike. How'd they get all that?" Well, they should've have been able to. I don't know who was responsible for developing and approving the final IPv6 draft: it puts your MAC address in your IP, so every website you visit sees your unique ID. All that has to happen for everything you ever did online to be attached to you is that unique device ID being attached to You (capital Y) with a phone, credit card. Every one of those companies listed in this thread (and so many more) all have some or all of your information. They definitely have your device ID(s) and your name. Whether they collected it themselves, traded others for it, or bought it from others for cash, they have it.

Remember this from above?
I'll forgive you if you skimmed and missed it:

"Vendors can:
  • Deterministically determine that two or more devices belong to the same user or household"
Even well before IPv6, everything was being tracked. Way back when IPv4 was King, your sister had her credit card tied to her email. Since they knew her IP address all that time, and they now know Your Name, it can be tied to "your" internet activity at that IP address (which was collected for many years before they found out "Your" identity). Because they have access to literally All, Of, Everything, Ever-- an AI program (AI: the trendy modern word for "program for analysis") can separate that IP's entire internet activity into the 'browsings of individuals'. Remember how google told people a long time ago estimates of their age and gender based on their web/search/email activity while signed into their services? That same technology can filter the entirety of an IP address's web activity related to website browsing(yes it was stored by hundreds of "advertisers" putting things like small, single, transparent, 1x1 pixel GIF images on them). To refine search histories further, they can sort by time of day that different sites were accessed or usually accessed. The schedule of all individuals in your household would be inferred, further increasing certainty. Not only do they have your search history, they know all the days you stayed home from school. They know A LOT.

I could go on and on and on and on about what they do and how they do it and why it is you can't opt out of being tracked by avoiding "a website" or "a service".

If your parents never had internet and you've always lived alone since you moved out, all it takes is one screwup at one point in time (and get this: it doesn't have to be your screwup). Your cousin thinks you're a weirdo with your flip phone so he buys you an android, putting all your information in it. When he's over one day you go take a sh!t and he grabs your phone, puts your SIM card in and hands it back to you when you get back to the couch. Yep, you're screwed! Just like that, 15 years of reading and adjusting practices, down the toilet. Maybe all you have to do is travel by plane. Maybe you needed to get in line at the school registrar's office by using your phone number.

Do you know how many people were identified when IPv6 came into broad use? Me neither, but I can say for SURE it was tons. Don't forget with all the COVID contact tracing crap - I bet lots of people got hoovered up there. Since the internet has been a constantly evolving space, the likelihood that you never missed a development and are still anonymous? It ain't great. Even today people still don't know that their MAC address is attached to their every request. "Router blocks all" is ancient history, and there was NEVER a public service announcement (why would that be?...)


Your pile of data is always growing, whether you use services or not. And all of your previous devices, their entire search histories, browsing histories, account histories, correspondence histories that at one point weren't tied to you - they are now. They waited a long time.
Remember the day? The day one of your friends for some reason decided to try a 3rd party contacts app for his android phone, he imported his contacts! And it turned out, one of the "marketers" who just want you to see the correct advertisements made that app for the express purpose of data mining the identities of people who so far had managed to avoid attaching their real name to their online ID. OF COURSE YOU DON'T REMEMBER, the dumbass did it himself without telling you. Actually, the idiot still useds the darn thing.

Conclusion:
When a complete information set exists for all people in entire populations, creating an advanced computer model on the macro all the way down the micro level is possible. Because of the volume of information and the knowledge humanity has gathered in psychology, sociology, and history, a very accurate model can be made (this may sound obvious, but having nearly complete information on all parts of a system is especially helpful to modeling it). Once a model is made, it can be used. How? Many ways, it depends on the will of the person driving the tractor. If they want to shape the future to their imagining, their imaginings are inputted to the model. After processing, the actions needed to be taken by parts of the system are presented to the user. So not everyone could make use of the tractor, just those already with access to large parts of the system (it's for those who are in power to remain in power).
The AI is an active system, so if when a mistake is made (a public reaction is not as expected), the unintended actions are just more points of information for the model to use. After incorporated, accuracy improves. All that crap goes into the model and gets applied to existing information so that the previous formulas representing populations are refined. Also, everything the "AI" spits out doesn't have to be followed - if its advice seems wrong or is even known to be wrong, the expected result from the wrong advice can be input as actually having happened. Then the AI can "learn" from it, improving the accuracy of future advice. During development (and ongoing tuning), this can be repeated as many times as it takes until it's no longer necessary (until the accuracy is so high, if it was shown to Joe Schmoe, he'd faint!)


You can't opt out. It's really a sad state of affairs.
Hope you read it - it took me a while to write. Only a couple run on sentences, bear with me!
Don't use the internet. Don't use a bank. Don't use a credit card.

Don't have a home. Don't buy food. Don't live.

There is no way to reject the contract.

It is forced upon you.

There are only tiny ways to say, "#$%& you" to this, until enough people do to reach critical mass.

And good luck with that.

"Bread and circuses". "Panem et circenses" - Juvenal.

Now, Japan has been really astonishingly slow to accept the "cashless society" - there are still a remarkable number of places which will only accept cash, and even Amazon allows you to pay in cash on delivery or by visiting the local convenience store - but SARS-CoV2 was remarkably useful in the push for a "cashless society" here; some shops might not have credit card readers, but they all have mobile phone based payment methods now... often five or six different ones!
Be a Mormon. Live off the grid. Or keep paying for your luxury life style. 1st world problems.
 

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They did this before the net too, just way less effective. Driver's license, phone numbers, W-2's, clubs and memberships, education, sports etc. The media was radio and tv shows and the newspaper.
 

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It's partly because of the culture, but main reasons are security and reliability. When Japan has something that works well it tends to stick around, even though the rest of the world may have 'moved on'.

As to why cards and other cashless methods haven't really picked up you'd have to ask someone in those industries why they're having trouble getting in. Probably because of reasons outlined in articles like this: Why Japan Prefers Cash

Oh and sorry, I kinda stopped reading your original post after the bit about IPv6, there are extensions that remedy your main concerns with privacy: RFC4941 & RFC7217

There shouldn't be any reason to not use IPv6 aside from the fact that remote services don't support it lol.
It was only a few weeks ago that i heard something about the japanese tax authority has now declared war on the people that still file their tax reports on floppy disks mini disks and CD´s its a total PITA for the authority to deal with since it requires so much old equipment that is getting harder and more expensive to keep working

Japan is also the single worst country on the planet when it comes to DRM and copyright
 
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It was only a few weeks ago that i heard something about the japanese tax authority has now declaed war on the people that still file their tax reports on floppy disk mini discs and CD´s its a total PITA for the authority to deal with since it requires so much old equipment that is getting harder and more expensive to keep working

Japan is also the single worst country on the planet when it comes to DRM and copyright
Yeah but I heard they have really nice toilets. And they make some pretty solid cars.
 
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