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Do we need IBT?

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Got me thinking, Intel Burn Test, is the most stressful program out there, it shoots temps higher than Prime95 or any other program to date.

But do we need it, really? It puts HUGE stress on the CPU, your CPU will never ever be that stressed in a game or rendering or movie edititng.

Reason I ask, I get 48c load in P95, but IBT gets me 63c load maxed.

Is IBT really needed? I pass it, But I just wanted to start a topic, and see what other people think

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I don't think its needed, but it helps you gauge exactly how stable your system is.
IBT gets me to 75 celsius and 15 mins of prime95 to 79?
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Originally Posted by kilrbe3 View Post
Got me thinking, Intel Burn Test, is the most stressful program out there, it shoots temps higher than Prime95 or any other program to date.

But do we need it, really? It puts HUGE stress on the CPU, your CPU will never ever be that stressed in a game or rendering or movie edititng.

Reason I ask, I get 48c load in P95, but IBT gets me 63c load maxed.

Is IBT really needed? I pass it, But I just wanted to start a topic, and see what other people think

-rock on


I spend more time looking at your avatar than I did reading your post.

But to the question at hand, during weekends I play games, non-stop I get up, boot-up, and aprox. a day later I catch some sleep.
In other words, my PC is 'stressed' for prolonged durations, so I think that running 6 hours of IBT would be excellent.
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ITB is better for determining if your system is stable, in a short amount of time. I think it's like 15 passes in ITB is about equal to 24 hours of Prime95?

I use both ITB and Prime95 for stress testings for a 24/7 stable OC. But I use ITB while benching to check stability quickly.
If you value your time, then yes IBT is absolutely needed. If you don't mind spending endless hours waiting for Prime95 to fail, then IBT is not needed.
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If you value your time, then yes IBT is absolutely needed. If you don't mind spending endless hours waiting for Prime95 to fail, then IBT is not needed.
I like the way you put that, I never thought of it that way
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Need is relative.

However, I do think Linpak tests like IBT are very useful.

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IBT gets me to 75 celsius and 15 mins of prime95 to 79?
IBT does not work correctly with HT. You'll need a different linpak based program, like LinX.
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I did alot of playing around with IBT a few months ago, and it turned out to be fairly innaccurate when compared to other tests. Example: [email protected] 1.3875v(bios) was unstable in IBT(Full system crash) but stable for 12hrs in prime95/OCCT. Then at 1.4000v(bios) IBT made it through the test but the numbers didn't match, whereas prime/OCCT again said stable. It took until 1.4125v(Bios) that IBT would pass, but prime/OCCT was passing at 1.3875v(bios).

I honestly trust prime95 and OCCT together more than I do IBT by itself. My best suggestion is that if you're going to use it, run other tests to confirm stability/instability. You just might finding yourself lowering voltages. So run IBT/increase volts until it's stable, then use prime95 and double check stability. Then back down the volts slowly and run prime95 each time. You may end up spending more time lowering volts that IBT said you needed than you did taking the volts up if you used prime.
IBT is a great tool from my experience at gauging and determing the optimal voltage settings for a given fsb overclock. As accurate but a lot faster compared to p95. With IBT I don't need to wait for hours to figure out if I need to bump the vcore, vtt or mch core to raise stability. Whatever was 20+ IBT runs stable for me made it through p95 24 hours+ no problem.
Like some said, Problem I have is.. I can get stable with Prime 95 at 1.384v, yet IBT needs 1.4 volts to pass..

Prime95 = 48C MAX Load
IBT = 64c MAX Load

I trust P95, over IBT myself.. But like others said, 15 IBT is 24hrs on P95. So it equals out..

either wait... or not wait...
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I did alot of playing around with IBT a few months ago, and it turned out to be fairly innaccurate when compared to other tests. Example: [email protected] 1.3875v(bios) was unstable in IBT(Full system crash) but stable for 12hrs in prime95/OCCT. Then at 1.4000v(bios) IBT made it through the test but the numbers didn't match, whereas prime/OCCT again said stable. It took until 1.4125v(Bios) that IBT would pass, but prime/OCCT was passing at 1.3875v(bios).

Your results do not imply innacuracy.

They imply that IBT is more stressful than Prime95, and thus better at discovering instabilities.

This is the whole point of stress testing, to discover instabilities so you can fix them before they crop up elsewhere.
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I agree. IBT is not as accurate as P95 (for example you can't know when it fails, whether or not the problem is with the CPU or NB/RAM) but I always use IBT first when trying a different clock out for the first time. Especially when I have no idea what the voltage needs to be. I find that IBT helps me get close to the needed voltage in a very short amount of time. But after I get it semi-stable I start using P95 small fft's if I pass that then I run a blend test to test the NB/RAM. Then I run memtest several passes to make sure the memory is stable.

But if your CPU can't stay stable at IBT temps but is stable in P95 and OCCT, then this is probably because your CPU cooler can't keep the temps in IBT low enough to stay stable. If that is the case then P95/OCCT is the way to go.
I fail IBT even at stock but np with prime or OCCT whats with that I know its stable its only 1000mhz o/c.It fail unless i do 1/2 witch i guess is a memory problem at full it fails 1 sec.
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Got me thinking, Intel Burn Test, is the most stressful program out there, it shoots temps higher than Prime95 or any other program to date.

But do we need it, really? It puts HUGE stress on the CPU, your CPU will never ever be that stressed in a game or rendering or movie edititng.

Reason I ask, I get 48c load in P95, but IBT gets me 63c load maxed.

Is IBT really needed? I pass it, But I just wanted to start a topic, and see what other people think

-rock on

Really..the use of stress testing is funny..I use it just to see if my cpu can maintain a 24 minute 100% stress usage. Although in all reality, it's going to be extremely hard to actually achieve a quad core 100% usage of all cores for that amount of time in real time usage for your average user.
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I did alot of playing around with IBT a few months ago, and it turned out to be fairly innaccurate when compared to other tests. Example: [email protected] 1.3875v(bios) was unstable in IBT(Full system crash) but stable for 12hrs in prime95/OCCT. Then at 1.4000v(bios) IBT made it through the test but the numbers didn't match, whereas prime/OCCT again said stable. It took until 1.4125v(Bios) that IBT would pass, but prime/OCCT was passing at 1.3875v(bios).

I honestly trust prime95 and OCCT together more than I do IBT by itself. My best suggestion is that if you're going to use it, run other tests to confirm stability/instability. You just might finding yourself lowering voltages. So run IBT/increase volts until it's stable, then use prime95 and double check stability. Then back down the volts slowly and run prime95 each time. You may end up spending more time lowering volts that IBT said you needed than you did taking the volts up if you used prime.
I would rather pass the harder test than the two easier ones.

IBT is the only thing I use now. Pointless to spend 12 hours or more with Prime95 to be able to do the same in a half hour and get an even more strict passing. If you can pass 5 or more IBT than you pretty much KNOW your system is stable.

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Really..the use of stress testing is funny..I use it just to see if my cpu can maintain a 24 minute 100% stress usage. Although in all reality, it's going to be extremely hard to actually achieve a quad core 100% usage of all cores for that amount of time in real time usage for your average user.
You sound just like me.

Why torture my computer for a whole night when I can spend a half hour or less and get the same result? IBT is the only one I need, the others are good but no way am I going to let my computer roast overnight just to see if the thing is stable! To me it's totally unnecessary and a waste of energy and you can even cook your processor if things go bad.

You can even monitor IBT in real time to make sure everything is working well. No way are you going to sit for 12 hours and do the same with OCCT or Prime 95.
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I did alot of playing around with IBT a few months ago, and it turned out to be fairly innaccurate when compared to other tests. Example: [email protected] 1.3875v(bios) was unstable in IBT(Full system crash) but stable for 12hrs in prime95/OCCT. Then at 1.4000v(bios) IBT made it through the test but the numbers didn't match, whereas prime/OCCT again said stable. It took until 1.4125v(Bios) that IBT would pass, but prime/OCCT was passing at 1.3875v(bios).
If your IBT numbers don't match, you didn't pass


As others have said before, IBT is the best way to check an OC quickly. In just two passes, I can tell whether or not to start a prime95 24hr test. Without IBT, it might take weeks to find the max on on a certain voltage.

I have failed IBT over 10 runs in so a pass in IBT is 15 runs for me.
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I have never had to run it more than 5 times, my current overclock passed it and since then I have used it for everything: gaming, music, internet, printing/faxing, camera pictures, emailing, bill paying, etc etc etc. Completely stable and temps are very good. I did lap my TRUE and my Core i7 920 bringing temps down.

The hardest part of overclocking is no two chips are alike, even if they are the same model.
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Why torture my computer for a whole night when I can spend a half hour or less and get the same result? IBT is the only one I need, the others are good but no way am I going to let my computer roast overnight just to see if the thing is stable! To me it's totally unnecessary and a waste of energy and you can even cook your processor if things go bad.

Yeah definitely..why let it roast over night?..What are you going to be honestly doing that is going to stress your computer at 100% for 12 hours?...Unless you have some serious virus issues then your computer at this time will not be stressed 100% for 12 hours...other than a stress test.
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IBT takes far less time to stress test than P95. 25 runs in IBT is around and hour and half and i call it stable. P95 takes 7+ hours and can fail on the 6th hour and your square one.

Thats the only reason i use it.
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