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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/gunner2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gunner2"> Vista licence.pdf <a href="http://download.microsoft.com/documents/useterms/Windows%20Vista_Home%20Basic_English_6d3e0409-7a2c-4239-b850-d41210b71b13.pdf" target="_blank">http://download.microsoft.com/docume...1210b71b13.pdf</a> and <a href="http://www.winbeta.org/comments.php?id=5138&catid=1" target="_blank">http://www.winbeta.org/comments.php?id=5138&catid=1</a><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Posted by Arneh on Thursday, Oct 19, 2006, 5:07 pm - Edit This Post In Admin CP<br><br><br><br>
"Wendy Seltzer, who is tech lawyer (she works for the EFF, which hasn’t exactly been friendly with Microsoft over the years, just so you know her own biases), tears apart the Windows Vista licensing doc."<br><br>
Reading the Windows Vista license is a bit like preparing for breakfast with Lewis Carroll's Red Queen: You should be ready to believe at least six impossible things about what users want from software.<br><br>
It is unlikely that a home user looking for a computer operating system has any of these "features" of the Vista EULA in mind:<br><br>
1. Self-limiting software<br>
2. Vanishing functionality through invalidation<br>
3. Removal of media capabilities<br>
4. Problem-solving prohibited<br>
5. Limited mobility<br>
6. One transfer only<br>
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7. Restrictions on your rights to use MPEG-4 video<br><br>
While Microsoft should be commended for putting its license into plain English, that doesn't help to make the license restrictions any more palatable. Quoted italicized language comes from the Vista license.<br><br>
Read more for details...<br><br>
1. Self-limiting software, or Mandatory Activation. "Your right to use the software after the time specified in the installation process is limited unless it is activated. … You will not be able to continue using the software after that time if you do not activate it." Moreover, "ome changes to your computer components or the software may require you to reactivate the software." In order to use Microsoft Vista, you must consent to communication to Microsoft of information about the software and the device on which you have installed it. If you don't do so in time, your software will begin to degrade in function.<br><br>
2. Vanishing functionality through invalidation. "The software will from time to time validate the software, update or require download of the validation feature of the software. … [if validation fails] you may not be able to use or continue to use some of the features of the software." Again, your computer must make periodic (period unspecified) contact with the Microsoft mothership if you want to continue to enjoy what you thought you paid for. Microsoft, of course, disclaims any liability for the consequences if their servers fail or mistakenly deny you validation.<br><br>
3. Removal of media capabilities. "When you download licenses for protected content, you agree that Microsoft may include a revocation list with the licenses." "[C]ontent owners may ask Microsoft to revoke the software's ability to use WMDRM [Windows Media digital rights management] to play or copy protected content." In other words, one movie or music file may take away your ability to play another, if the content owner (not the computer owner) chooses to cut back the Windows Media Player's features. Don't like the reports that Creative is removing radio recording functions from its MP3 players, under music industry pressure? Prepare for that kind of feature flux to be routine in Vista -- you've agreed to it in the license.<br><br>
4. Problem-solving prohibited. "You may not work around any technical limitations in the software." Microsoft might be referring to anticircumvention of technical protection measures here, but since it's often hard to tell the difference, from the user's perspective, between a TPM and a bug, this reads as a prohibition on user debugging and problem-solving. After all, down-rezzing HD content or refusing to allow users to copy quotes from an e-book don't strike most people as wanted features. Can you work around a document's failure to save properly?<br><br>
5. Limited mobility. "The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device one time." If you upgrade your machines more frequently than you care to change operating systems, you'll just have to pay again. Don't worry about this applying too frequently, though, because most OEMs will probably keep bundling Windows with their hardware, thanks to Microsoft's pricing encouragement, and Microsoft won't offer refunds if you don't like the terms on those OEM bundles.<br><br>
6. One transfer only. "The first user of the software may make a one time transfer of the software, and this agreement, directly to a third party…. [T]he other party must agree that this agreement applies to the transfer and use of the software." You can give your old computer to Dad, but if he wants to give his older computer to the neighborhood community center, they'll have to find their own operating system (may I recommend Ubuntu?).<br><br>
Bonus. MPEG-4 Visual Standard<br><br>
NOTICE ABOUT THE MPEG-4 VISUAL STANDARD. This software includes MPEG-4 visual decoding technology. MPEG LA, L.L.C. requires this notice:<br>
USE OF THIS PRODUCT IN ANY MANNER THAT COMPLIES WITH THE MPEG-4 VISUAL STANDARD IS PROHIBITED, EXCEPT FOR USE DIRECTLY RELATED TO (A) DATA OR INFORMATION (i) GENERATED BY AND OBTAINED WITHOUT CHARGE FROM A CONSUMER NOT THEREBY ENGAGED IN A BUSINESS ENTERPRISE, AND (ii) FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY; AND (B ) OTHER USES SPECIFICALLY AND SEPARATELY LICENSED BY MPEG LA, L.L.C.<br><br>
Users never asked for these impossible limitations. Microsoft decided unilaterally to add them, claiming it could abrogate personal ownership, fair use, and first sale rights because "The software is licensed, not sold." If Microsoft faced real market competition on the home desktop, users could vote with their wallets, but anticompetitive practices and network effects make Microsoft a like-it-or-not proposition for most users.<br><br>
While Carroll's Humpty Dumpty might have been able to choose the meanings of his words at will, on this side of the looking glass, software vendors shouldn't be able to redefine the meaning of "buying software" by the simple attachment of a click-wrap license.</td>
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Never was going to buy something that would cost a quarter of my PC...<br><br>
Absolute trash.
 

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Most of that seems fine, and should only be a problem if you are in the habit of pireting software, but the "one hardware change per license" thing is CRAZY!!!! I do not see how that prevents copying, since under the old system it must be completely removed from the first system before you can activate it on the next. If they go through with that, I think we will see a big boom in Linux use amough enthusiests.
 

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Wow, either they make it $10 a pop or remove that one transfer only policy. I dunno about you guys but I've used my same copy of XP since 2001 and had it on 8 different motherboards.
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>Fishie36</strong></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">Wow, either they make it $10 a pop or remove that one transfer only policy. I dunno about you guys but I've used my same copy of XP since 2001 and had it on 8 different motherboards.</div>
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Me too...
 

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anyone wanna teach me to use linux <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin"><br><br>
or refer me to some decent turtiorials...<br><br>
if MS thinks im going to "licence" there product.. they can kiss my linux box.. im not a corporation... im a home user that wants to be able to change their background..<br><br>
oh ya.. i know most games run on linux.. but i dont know how to configure the drivers.. and hardware... so if i can get in a OC.net class for dummys for linux that would be cool <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin">
 

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Just imagine this with vista. This happened when I was using XP.<br><br>
I buy one motherboard, it's got problems that I only find out about after XP is installed. I RMA it, and get a replacement. Well, it's got problems after install still but they are different. So I RMA that too but as for a different model this time. Amazingly enough, that doesn't work either, so I RMA for a refund and go with a whole new setup including processor and video card.<br><br>
Now with XP, no problems. Vista, and I would already be down a whole copy.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">they can kiss my linux box.. im not a corporation... im a home user that wants to be able to change their background</div>
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Amen! That's exactly why Project Tsunami is going Linux (prolly Ubuntu) ... i saw this coming ages ago... windows is going to ****...<br>
PS... they can have sloppy seconds on my Linux Box... after i kick them in the ubuntus.
 

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this is ******ed... god I hope that by the time I absolutely have to switch to Vista, Linux will be ready to game or I am going to be one un-happy camper! I will never use an OS that makes you buy a copy of it everytime you buy a new piece of hardware that requires an OS reinstall... Time to get more intimate with Ubuntu <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin">
 

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Hmmm.......I guess i have to stick to XP for a long time now
 

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I might stick with XP or someone teach me linux....
 

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i heard that thers some deal that you can get an intel mobo, a e6300 and Vista for like $220
 

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Basically this is just a way to screw the people(most people on here) out of building their own computer. Alot of people on here, change rigs when something new comes out, or least gets it and keeps it for a month or couple. Which would cause alot of problems.
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>selectodude</strong></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">Thank God that UT2007 is going to run on Linux.</div>
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It is! Sweetness!
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>FearSC549</strong></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">I might stick with XP or someone teach me linux....</div>
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here is 2 people that need someone to teach the noobs <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick out tounge caps">
 

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with this kind of licensing. M$ is gonna be *****d this time. No way in Hell i m buying Vista!!!! i upgrade 3 or 4 time a year doh! BOOOOOOO MS!!!!
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>Ace_001</strong></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">anyone wanna teach me to use linux <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin"><br><br>
or refer me to some decent turtiorials...<br><br>
if MS thinks im going to "licence" there product.. they can kiss my linux box.. im not a corporation... im a home user that wants to be able to change their background..<br><br>
oh ya.. i know most games run on linux.. but i dont know how to configure the drivers.. and hardware... so if i can get in a Overclock.net class for dummys for linux that would be cool <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin"></div>
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Well put!<br>
All MS is doing is driving more to look twards Linux.<br><br>
It's time for me to get back into a Tux<br>
simply because MS realy realy does suck<br><br>
Hasen't MS they learned that all they do just punishes the lagit users!
 

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Will only be able to use xp until they stop making updates for it, and make it mandatory to upgrade to vista.
 
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