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[DT] Samsung Shipping DDR NAND & 3-Bit MLC Flash, Expects Use in SSDs

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Your choice of higher speed or lower cost

Samsung Electronics is the largest NAND flash memory manufacturer in the world, accounting for 38.5 percent of the global market in Q3 of 2009. All of that money helps when conducting research and development into new technologies which are critical for maintaining that lead.

The company is making two NAND flash major announcements that will significantly affect consumers. The first is that it has started mass production of 30nm-class 32Gb Multi-Level Cell NAND flash memory with an asynchronous DDR interface. Samsung uses the term 30nm-class to refer to its manufacturing processes, which could range from 32nm to 34nm.

Single-Level Cell NAND flash has traditionally been faster than MLC NAND, but Samsung’s new DDR MLC NAND chip reads data at a very fast 133 Mbps. It is designed to replace the company's single data rate MLC NAND, which has an overall read performance of 40Mbps.
The process is yielding well enough that Samsung has already shipped its initial production run to major OEMs.

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Maybe soon those 16GB class 6 microSDHC cards won't be so freakin expensive!!
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Toshiba has 4-bit MLCs...
Where are those 32GB microSDs from SanDisk?
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Storage is really becoming a much more interesting. This DDR 3 bit flash has a lot of promise. In a proper controller this might be able to provide 50% more capacity without sacrificing any performance. That's the goal right? Cheaper, faster, bigger, smaller.
Too be honest, I barely see any difference in speed most of the time with hard drives past a certain point. I suppose I'm so used to my RAID 1 that the SSDs that I've played with, I barely notice significant differences in the OS and some file transfers depending on where the files are being transferred to.

All I personally care about at this point is cost and storage. Speed, for me, I feel I've peeked for now.
Cheaper SSD would be great for portable computing. I would love to have a 80-200 gig SDD, but no way I can afford it at current prices.
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Toshiba has 4-bit MLCs...

but are those DDR? this is the first time i heard any specific mention of it.
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First one to read the article wins.

What do I win?
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Reduced ignorance...

@OmegaNemesis: I wouldn't have agreed with you before, but I just bought a Samsung F3 and installed win7 and it's so fast I'm well happy with it.

I mainly want an SSD for my laptop tbh
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First one to read the article wins.
How do you mean? I read the article before posting, is there something you don't agree with?
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How do you mean? I read the article before posting, is there something you don't agree with?

The big question here is the performance of the DDR interface with the MLC flash. With traditional 2-bit MLC flash, the speed is greatly reduced. With this newer 3-bit MLC flash, one would expect even slower speeds but the wild card here is how the DDR interface balances out the ineptness of the 3-bit cell architecture.

Perhaps in the long run, the DDR architecture will win. Seems to kinda resemble the way RAM has evolved where the RAM chips run a lot slower compared to the IO bus and the prefetch just gets wider and wider.
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The big question here is the performance of the DDR interface with the MLC flash. With traditional 2-bit MLC flash, the speed is greatly reduced. With this newer 3-bit MLC flash, one would expect even slower speeds but the wild card here is how the DDR interface balances out the ineptness of the 3-bit cell architecture.

Perhaps in the long run, the DDR architecture will win. Seems to kinda resemble the way RAM has evolved where the RAM chips run a lot slower compared to the IO bus and the prefetch just gets wider and wider.

You know reading this I was really thinking the same thing. In order for Nand flash to continue to progress and become a viable option for mainstream users, 3bit, 4bit, 5bit, and beyond will have to be made available. The performance will degrade some each time, but I think clever manufacturing techniques, like the DDR implementation, will allow the speeds to remain high. MLC flash is slower then SLC sure, but in burst speeds and maximum read speeds they two are really quite similar. Getting an MLC drive with a good controller really only effects the number of write cycles. Hopefully when better controllers are developed to work with this new type of flash we might see the same thing with 3bit vs 2bit MLC.
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