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Hi! This is my first post here


So...i have a conroe 4600 wich i intend to keep @ 3.4 mhz 24/7 but i have a problem.The temperature reaches 65° celcius when browsing and listening to music and above 80° when playing.
I am cooling it with scythe ninja rev B + Scythe Ultra Kaze 1000rpm...

Now i just want to know if this is normal with this kind of processor or if i will kill it if i continue to do this. I know e4600's are hot but is this normal?

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by alexey View Post
Hi! This is my first post here


So...i have a conroe 4600 wich i intend to keep @ 3.4 mhz 24/7 but i have a problem.The temperature reaches 65° celcius when browsing and listening to music and above 80° when playing.
I am cooling it with scythe ninja rev B + Scythe Ultra Kaze 1000rpm...

Now i just want to know if this is normal with this kind of processor or if i will kill it if i continue to do this. I know e4600's are hot but is this normal?

Thanks!
You're right in worrying: this is very hot. I have two questions, and both are quite different from one another: have you checked to make sure that the CPU cooler is "seated" properly? It should be tightened down very, very securely. It's also very common to install a CPU cooler, and then a minute later take off, then check the thermal paste application, fix it if necessary, and then re-install the CPU cooler. That's basically known as "reseating" it. I did that 3 times when I installed my Tuniq Tower. I wanted to be absolutely sure it was installed perfectly because I had people tell me the importance of doing so, and what may happen if I didn't do it.

Also, are you using the latest BIOS? I know of another person who wasn't using the latest BIOS, and his temperature readings were very inaccurate and it looked like his CPU was overheating just the same as yours does. So, take a look into that if you can. Or, I can do it for you too.

Finally, if you'd like to have your system in your signature just like the rest of us, then do this:
  1. Click on "User CP" on the black bar at the top (alternatively, click on "Quick Links" over to the left, and then choose "User Control Panel", which is on the 3rd black bar down from the top of this little menu)
  2. Once you're there, then click on "Edit System" which is located on the left.
  3. If you have additional systems to add, then click on "Add System".
  4. To save it, press Enter in any field (or click Save Changes at the bottom). It won't display a confirmation page, but rather, you'll just see it scroll back to the top in the blink of an eye. When it does that, then you know it's saved.
Anyway, welcome to OCN, Alexey. I hope you enjoy your time here.
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What two cables said. BTW, the 4600 is an Allendale if I'm not mistaken.
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Originally Posted by alexey View Post
Hi! This is my first post here


So...i have a conroe 4600 wich i intend to keep @ 3.4 mhz 24/7 but i have a problem.The temperature reaches 65° celcius when browsing and listening to music and above 80° when playing.
I am cooling it with scythe ninja rev B + Scythe Ultra Kaze 1000rpm...

Now i just want to know if this is normal with this kind of processor or if i will kill it if i continue to do this. I know e4600's are hot but is this normal?

Thanks!
Yes that is very hot, but very nice OC on that chip. Maybe your cooler is not up to par. My old e4400 (my e4400 read as conroe in cpuz) ran hot, with my cooler master TX2 cooler when I was running at 3.4 I had similar temps. Fill in your system spec like TwoCables suggested, so we can know what your are working with.
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TwoCables really investing to his comments! Let me give him some reputation!
Oh come on. hehe


Thank you, though. I'm just doing what I love doing.
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Oh come on. hehe


Thank you, though. I'm just doing what I love doing.
I'm serious. That is really impressive!
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Which voltage are you using for 3.4Ghz?

And if it's 80c during regular gaming it has got to be like 90c in a stress test with 100% load...
Sounds like too much thermal paste, bad seating job. Also, what voltage do you need for 3.4? My E4700 needed tons of volts to go past 3.33, so maybe you should try backing off the volts and shoot for 3.3 or so. It just might shave that extra 10C you need to take off of the temp. Good luck!

And also, the E4XXX is indeed allendale, I know because I <3 allendales.
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What two cables said. BTW, the 4600 is an Allendale if I'm not mistaken.

Reads as conroe 2M IIRC. I have a e4500 that gets to around 70c if it's warm in here @ FULL load under a lapped TT120 @ 3.42Ghz. However the voltage is almost 1.5v, so that probably explains it


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If one of the best air coolers, lapped, w/ a lapped IHs can jsut barely keep temps under control I'm doubtful that a ninja rev B could. That is if you're running at the same crazy volts I am. otherwise go w/ what 2 cables said
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I'm serious. That is really impressive!


hehe thank you. It's a passion. Plus, I have nothing but time on my hands, so it allows me to spend the time that I really want to spend on my replies.

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Which voltage are you using for 3.4Ghz?

And if it's 80c during regular gaming it has got to be like 90c in a stress test with 100% load...

omg yeah, I hope a stress test isn't performed!

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Sounds like too much thermal paste, bad seating job. Also, what voltage do you need for 3.4? My E4700 needed tons of volts to go past 3.33, so maybe you should try backing off the volts and shoot for 3.3 or so. It just might shave that extra 10C you need to take off of the temp. Good luck!

And also, the E4XXX is indeed allendale, I know because I <3 allendales.


Dah, I can't believe I forgot about the possibility that there might be too little or maybe too much thermal paste. Oh well. So, thank you for being here, Corky!

I'm curious though: how much voltage did you put through the E4700? It looks like Intel's limit is ~1.312V.
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I'm curious though: how much voltage did you put through the E4700? It looks like Intel's limit is ~1.312V.

I believe it's safe up to ~1.5v as long as it's cooled OK(which is this situation obviously isn't
). Same w/ any of the 65nm Conroe-based architecture chips AFAIK.
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I believe it's safe up to ~1.5v as long as it's cooled OK(which is this situation obviously isn't
). Same w/ any of the 65nm Conroe-based architecture chips AFAIK.

Well, check this out: according to Intel's Processor Spec Finder page for the E2180 (as a quick example), the VID range goes up to 1.5V, but for the E4600 and E4700, it goes up to 1.312V, and only as low as 1.162V, but for the E2180, it goes down to 0.85V.

So, it's my guess that the E4600/E4700 can only take up to ~1.312V.
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Thanks for the quick responses guys...I apreciate it


Acoma_Andy is right..under stress it reaches aproximately 93° C and the voltage i am feeding it is 1.45.
Every time i take off my cooler and add another layer of thermal paste i do a session of testing and every time the same temps appear...
The cooler is very well seated with custom atachment because the push pins that came in the package were crap...
And i don't usualy put too much thermal paste on. Just today i cleaned my rig and added a new layer of AS5

And thx two cables for the other information

Here are some pics of my rig...




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I'm curious though: how much voltage did you put through the E4700? It looks like Intel's limit is ~1.312V.

You know, I don't really recall. My Biostar just has incremental changes, so I just added +.013 to whatever the default was. IIRC, it was higher than 1.312 at default.

IMO, all allendales kinda wall out at around 3.3-3.5ghz. And for the last time, this chip IS AN ALLENDALE! It is basically a E2XXX with double the cache (2mb).
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Thanks for the quick responses guys...I apreciate it


Acoma_Andy is right..under stress it reaches aproximately 93° C and the voltage i am feeding it is 1.45.
Every time i take off my cooler and add another layer of thermal paste i do a session of testing and every time the same temps appear...
The cooler is very well seated with custom atachment because the push pins that came in the package were crap...

And thx two cables for the other information

Here are some pics of my rig...

What paste are you using? If it is more of "sticky" type of paste, I always spread it out before applying the HS. If it is softer and more plyable, I do the "one glob in the middle" and let the HS pressure spread it out.
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I use Arctic Silver and i put a bit in the middle and then i speread it around evenly with a thin piece of plastic or a plastic glove
Try the "glob" method. Also, the vcore is set a bit high for that frequency. Like I said earlier, you can probably back way off the volts and still get 3.3 or 3.33 stable. Try 333x10 and then set your ram divider to get 800mhz out of the ram. Easy as pie, and runs like hell.
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Thanks for the quick responses guys...I apreciate it


Acoma_Andy is right..under stress it reaches aproximately 93° C and the voltage i am feeding it is 1.45.
Every time i take off my cooler and add another layer of thermal paste i do a session of testing and every time the same temps appear...
The cooler is very well seated with custom atachment because the push pins that came in the package were crap...
And i don't usualy put too much thermal paste on. Just today i cleaned my rig and added a new layer of AS5

And thx two cables for the other information

Here are some pics of my rig...

Oh, I think it's that high because the voltage is extremely high. I mean, consider Intel's limit of 1.312v. And now consider how far past this limit you are. I mean, how many people go past 1.5v for a 65nm for every-day overclocking? I don't know of any yet. Most try to stay under 1.5v if they can. So, try to stay below or at least NEAR 1.312v. hehe


But, before I submit this, is 1.45v the voltage you see after vdrop and vdroop?

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You know, I don't really recall. My Biostar just has incremental changes, so I just added +.013 to whatever the default was. IIRC, it was higher than 1.312 at default.

IMO, all allendales kinda wall out at around 3.3-3.5ghz. And for the last time, this chip IS AN ALLENDALE! It is basically a E2XXX with double the cache (2mb).

CPU-Z said that my E2180 is a Conroe.
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