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since i have not seen any threads covering this kit i will open one up, please feel free to share your experience and build photos in this thread.

link to page:
https://www.ekfluidgaming.com/

here is my setup to start the thread.
 

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I have several rendering machines that could benefit from this lower cost option.

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I'd rather buy used parts then buy a bunch of aluminum junk that restricts my options on what I can use, can't use or restrict the manufacture I have to buy from moving forward. Watercooling is like the tires on your car. Don't be cheap. Tbh at this price point barrow from alibaba is similar and 100x better.
 

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I'd rather buy used parts then buy a bunch of aluminum junk that restricts my options on what I can use, can't use or restrict the manufacture I have to buy from moving forward. Watercooling is like the tires on your car. Don't be cheap. Tbh at this price point barrow from alibaba is similar and 100x better.
Opinion noted. I would be interested in how the Fluid Gaming system actually performs. Perhaps the OP can shed some light on this?

Thanks!

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I'd rather buy used parts then buy a bunch of aluminum junk that restricts my options on what I can use, can't use or restrict the manufacture I have to buy from moving forward. Watercooling is like the tires on your car. Don't be cheap. Tbh at this price point barrow from alibaba is similar and 100x better.
Can't say I disagree with the sentiment.... With more good quality affordable parts around, it's hard to see any upside to this line for the consumer. I'm starting to really have issues with EK's motives these days.
 

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I'd rather buy used parts then buy a bunch of aluminum junk that restricts my options on what I can use, can't use or restrict the manufacture I have to buy from moving forward. Watercooling is like the tires on your car. Don't be cheap. Tbh at this price point barrow from alibaba is similar and 100x better.
This!

If you're buying a kit to be cost efficient you might as well get the EK MLC Phoenix with 360 rad or Swiftech H320X2 Prestige. I don't see the point in an aluminum 240 , 280, or even 360 when it's barely going to be better than a Asetek built unit.

The limitations are extremely high with an aluminum kit.
 

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This!

If you're buying a kit to be cost efficient you might as well get the EK MLC Phoenix with 360 rad or Swiftech H320X2 Prestige. I don't see the point in an aluminum 240 , 280, or even 360 when it's barely going to be better than a Asetek built unit.

The limitations are extremely high with an aluminum kit.
Something I am curious about is your mention of limitations. What do you see as limits, beyond the possibility that one might be locked into a specific vendor (a good point made by nycgtr)?

Thanks!

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Not only locked to one vendor, but rather a very small subset of options on that one vendor, with no guarantee of possible future extensions.
 

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Something I am curious about is your mention of limitations. What do you see as limits, beyond the possibility that one might be locked into a specific vendor (a good point made by nycgtr)?

Thanks!

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You shouldn't mix aluminum parts with other metals. Aside from eks junk aluminum line, you would not find much aluminum water cooling parts. So you would literally have to buy EK's fluid line for anything you need moving forward. Considering these days their quality is poor/mediocre and performance is at best on par with the competition while being the same price or more than the competition, that makes 0 sense. It's a further cost cutting line marketed towards people who don't know any better.
 

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Something I am curious about is your mention of limitations. What do you see as limits, beyond the possibility that one might be locked into a specific vendor (a good point made by nycgtr)?

Thanks!

Omen
1. Galvanic corrosion susceptibility if coldplate is copper (i.e. only can use an aluminum coldplate)
2. Lower thermal conductivity by a factor of 2 vs copper of same dimensions & surface area (EK claims that this is not a factor but it's a misdirection)
3. Use of a 2x120mm aka 240 aluminum radiator with a CPU + GPU setup is generally inadequate for any modern setup (ie. 6 or 8 core CPU pushing out 160W+ under stress tests / benching along with a ~180W GPU such as GTX 1070 ti or GTX 1080 let alone VEGA) unless you aren't overclocking anything , you would need a high fan speed to increase the heat transfer from the radiator to the air
4. CPU results barely on par with a Cryorig R1
5. If the Fluid gaming lineup falls through (which it can) you better hope you can buy parts
6. You need to spend $110 to buy a 360 radiator with 3 Vardar fans from EKWB if you want one, you can't get a kit with a 360 radiator. That's pretty expensive for aluminum. If you just want the radiator I don't see any way to buy that for < $50 , so if you have your own fans you end up with fans to sell. (https://www.ekfluidgaming.com/ek-fg-360-expansion-pack)

https://www.ekfluidgaming.com/ek-kit-a240
Coldplate: aluminum
Radiator: aluminum
Fittings (don't really matter) : aluminum

If you model it as a thermal circuit , you changed the thermal resistance from the heatsink/radiator to the air AND from CPU/GPU to the coolant. The way you compensate is with more surface area , faster coolant flow rate, and higher fan speed.

If you look at Alphacool's Eisbaer with their cheapo sleeve bearing fans & slightly weaker 4W 70L/h pump and then look at the EKWB A240G you will see very clearly what I mean (probably 6W pump capable of 450L/h used https://www.ekfluidgaming.com/ek-xres-100-spc-60-mx-pwm-incl-pump).

If you must buy a premade kit and are lazy I would think the 360 EK MLC phoenix is far superior. If you just want cheap + expandable , XSPC has kits below $200 that have 360 radiators.

EK spent YEARS trying to convince us their copper solutions were superior to AIOs with the Asetek pump design and aluminum radiators. So if you believe that the A240G is good then you should be aware of that. I believe the real reason for aluminum is A. cost , B. manufacturing is easier & less time consuming (aluminum cuts like butter in CNC machines) C. weight (less shipping costs as a result)

This was damage control: https://www.ekwb.com/blog/aluminium-vs-copper/
 

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Not only locked to one vendor, but rather a very small subset of options on that one vendor, with no guarantee of possible future extensions.
Actually, to some degree that is a bit of concern. If EK decides to pull the Fluid Gaming line from the market, anyone that bought into it would be stuck with unsupported products and no hope of system evolution. Clearly a case of throwing good money after bad when one would have to scrap their Fluid Gaming components and start over. This is something that only time can confirm or deny.

As I have 3 (and quite possibly a fourth) machines that I wish to transition from the obnoxiously loud air cooling solutions to water cooling, I can not help but appreciate the lower investment required to begin to obtain my goal. So far, the biggest hurdle for me has been the relatively low amount of real world user data on the Fluid Gaming system's performance from what I deem as reliable sources (read: OCN).

Thanks!

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Not really sure why this is getting so much hate. I got the kit and am least getting similar CPU temps compared to my h100 plus the GPU is cooler and quieter than the reference blower cooler. I do agree that more rad space would be nice, but I'm waiting until I have the means to mod my case to add a 360 to the front. My only big complaint is there are no options for a drain line, instead having to empty from the res, which I would classify as "it works" but not ideal.

It's like everyone here is saying a $100k Ferrari is better than say a $50k Porsche on a race track. As a simple loop, and it works fine. It is my first loop as well, so it also serves as a way to more "cost effectively" try out custom water cooling without committing to the full cost of a copper loop.
 

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Thank you to all who have shared opinions, ideas, and data with me.
Going forward, I will resume my lurking status and quietly and patiently await any user data that may be posted here.

Thanks!

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Hi,
Yeah they draw people in with kits "Price targets"
Then one finds out after how good or bad they are :)
Just the ek 280 performance kit is mediocre at best and it's mostly copper/ D5 pump....
 

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Not really sure why this is getting so much hate. I got the kit and am least getting similar CPU temps compared to my h100 plus the GPU is cooler and quieter than the reference blower cooler. I do agree that more rad space would be nice, but I'm waiting until I have the means to mod my case to add a 360 to the front. My only big complaint is there are no options for a drain line, instead having to empty from the res, which I would classify as "it works" but not ideal.

It's like everyone here is saying a $100k Ferrari is better than say a $50k Porsche on a race track. As a simple loop, and it works fine. It is my first loop as well, so it also serves as a way to more "cost effectively" try out custom water cooling without committing to the full cost of a copper loop.
If you're going to use a car analogy, it's like saying XYZ car is faster than a Toyota Corolla with 140HP and Macpherson struts on all four corners.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3074-ek-fluid-gaming-a240-custom-loop-review-benchmark
https://www.computerbase.de/2017-09/ekwb-fluid-gaming-a240g-test-aluminium-wasserkuehlung/2/

Barely better than AIO means it is not worthy of putting the effort into maintaining it. These aren't closed systems and you need to spend time to set it up and maintain it (time is money).

i.e.

Copper CPU block from reputable manufacturer < $70
Cheaper but adequate pump+res combo such as XSPC ION : <$60 , with higher end stuff closer to $110+
2x 140mm fan radiator : <$60 OR 3x120mm fan Radiator : $60-70 ... this is from top tier makers such as Hardwarelabs
~$60-80 universal GPU block (i.e. Watercool HEATKILLER GPU-X³) OR full cover copper GPU block (the biggest expense honestly) ~$110


Total before fittings (8 fittings are in A240G kit ; 6 in A240 kit ... keeping in mind Barrows <$4 each) / decent or good fans (~$30-60) / coolant (<$15 for what is provided in the A240G kit) / tubing (<$20 for the Duraclear) should be less than $300 before any sales/ used components and that's with full copper everything

Copper = $3/lb per NASDAQ commodity pricing + also factor in machining time and additional shipping weight at every stage of the manufacturing and production process until it reaches the consumer
Aluminum for radiators is below $1/lb

Where did this cost savings go? It doesn't seem like it went to the consumer. It seems like R & D money was blown on this stuff under the prior management (EK had a change of management) and the customers are paying for it.

The CPU-only aluminum kit should have been below $200 to start with because they can't compete with AIOs on price. Now Newegg sells the A240 for $160 or so so the market has dictated the price.

They're selling the 240G aluminum kit with GPU block for close to $300 retail although Newegg has it around $240 now.

If you believe it is a great value, just look at what you get in the kit and price out the copper equivalent.
 

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Not really sure why this is getting so much hate. I got the kit and am least getting similar CPU temps compared to my h100 plus the GPU is cooler and quieter than the reference blower cooler. I do agree that more rad space would be nice, but I'm waiting until I have the means to mod my case to add a 360 to the front. My only big complaint is there are no options for a drain line, instead having to empty from the res, which I would classify as "it works" but not ideal.

It's like everyone here is saying a $100k Ferrari is better than say a $50k Porsche on a race track. As a simple loop, and it works fine. It is my first loop as well, so it also serves as a way to more "cost effectively" try out custom water cooling without committing to the full cost of a copper loop.
And this is the mentality that ek tries to buy with marketing. This is the equivalent of saying I am going to buy cheap crappy snow tires to try snow tires. Considering EK's normal range of fittings and blocks don't last very long I am highly suspect of how well their cheaper stuff will hold up.
 

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Copper CPU block from reputable manufacturer < $70
Cheaper but adequate pump+res combo such as XSPC ION : <$60 , with higher end stuff closer to $110+
2x 140mm fan radiator : <$60 OR 3x120mm fan Radiator : $60-70 ... this is from top tier makers such as Hardwarelabs
~$60-80 universal GPU block (i.e. Watercool HEATKILLER GPU-X³) OR full cover copper GPU block (the biggest expense honestly) ~$110


Total before fittings (8 fittings are in A240G kit ; 6 in A240 kit ... keeping in mind Barrows <$4 each) / decent or good fans (~$30-60) / coolant (<$15 for what is provided in the A240G kit) / tubing (<$20 for the Duraclear) should be less than $300 before any sales/ used components and that's with full copper everything
Would you mind linking and pricing out all that you have listed? CPU + full GPU block, similar res/pump, 240mm or more rad. I'm curious.

Assuming you come in at $300, it's still 25% more than the aluminum kit. Percentage wise, that's like comparing a 1070 to a 1080, but is the more expensive cooling option that substantial of difference in terms of performance?
 

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The biggest expense is GPU blocks.

performancepcs or modmymods:

CPU block $60ish : https://modmymods.com/watercool-heatkillerr-iv-basic-intel-processor-acetal-18007.html , https://modmymods.com/watercool-heatkillerr-iv-basic-amd-processor-acetal-18017.html , www.performance-pcs.com/heatkillerr-iv-basic-intel-processor-acetal.html
---> Bit more expensive on amazon : https://www.amazon.com/Watercool-HEATKILLER-Waterblock-Acryl-Clean/dp/B01MR9SISY/
---> top end waterblock $75: https://www.optimuswatercooling.com/

Pump + res
$60 XSPC ION Pump Res (not the best but affordable) http://www.performance-pcs.com/xspc-ion-pump-reservoir.html ; https://www.outletpc.com/vg9007-xspc-ion-pumpreservoir-white.html

Alphacool Eisstation Pump+res $42 (no reviews out yet AFAIK but should be same as Eisbaer pump , not strong) :http://www.performance-pcs.com/alph...tra-incl-alphacool-dc-lt-2600-ultra-pump.html m https://modmymods.com/alphacool-eisstation-dc-ultra-includes-dc-lt-2600-ultra-pump-13297.html

Phobya pump + Alphacool res ~ $95: http://www.performance-pcs.com/phob...ol-lighttower-all-in-one-reservoir-combo.html
Phobya pump + Alphacool res ~ $98: http://www.performance-pcs.com/phob...ol-lighttower-all-in-one-reservoir-combo.html

EK SPC60 Pump used in the A240 kit ~$94 by itself : http://www.performance-pcs.com/ek-xres-100-spc-60-mx-pwm-incl-pump.html#Specifications

slim 240 Radiators

http://www.performance-pcs.com/black-ice-nemesis-l-series-240-stealth-radiator.html
http://www.performance-pcs.com/blac...u-flow-low-profile-radiator-black-carbon.html
https://modmymods.com/alphacool-nexxxos-st30-full-copper-240mm-radiator-14157.html , http://www.performance-pcs.com/alphacool-nexxxos-st30-full-copper-240mm.html , https://www.amazon.com/Alphacool-NexXxos-Copper-Radiator-120mm/dp/B007R79BX6/
http://www.performance-pcs.com/xspc-ex240-copper-dual-fan-radiator-black.html

slim 360 Radiators
http://www.performance-pcs.com/black-ice-nemesis-l-series-360-stealth-radiator.html
http://www.performance-pcs.com/blac...u-flow-low-profile-radiator-black-carbon.html
http://www.performance-pcs.com/new-xspc-ex360-multiport-series-copper-triple-fan-radiator.html
https://www.amazon.com/XSPC-EX360-Performance-Radiator-Supports/dp/B006097HEC/
https://modmymods.com/alphacool-nexxxos-st30-full-copper-360mm-radiator-14158.html

Example GPU blocks:
---> Universal : http://www.performance-pcs.com/watercool-heatkiller-gpu-x-core-lc.html , http://www.performance-pcs.com/watercool-heatkiller-gpu-x-core-lt.html
---> GTX 1080 : http://www.performance-pcs.com/watercool-heatkillerr-iv-for-gtx-1080-and-1070-acetal.html , www.performance-pcs.com/aquacomputer-kryographics-pascal-for-gtx-1080-and-1070-acrylic-glass-edition.html , www.performance-pcs.com/swiftech-komodo-nv-eco-gtx1080-vga-waterblock.html , https://modmymods.com/aquacomputer-...080-and-1070-acrylic-glass-edition-23645.html
----> VEGA: https://modmymods.com/watercool-heatkillerr-iv-for-rx-vega-56-and-64-acryl-15046.html, http://www.performance-pcs.com/xspc-razor-rgb-waterblock-rx-vega.html



fittings:
https://modmymods.com/barrow-g1-4-thread-3-8-id-x-1-2-od-compression-fitting-black-thkn-3-8-b03.html
https://modmymods.com/barrow-g1-4-thread-3-8-id-x-5-8-od-compression-fitting-black-thkn-3-8-v3.html
https://modmymods.com/barrow-g1-4-thread-1-2-id-x-3-4-od-compression-fitting-black-thkn-1-2-v3.html

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See the thermalbench review of the ION pump vs the EKWB SPC60 , it's very close:
http://thermalbench.com/2016/08/25/xspc-raystorm-pro-ion-ax360-watercooling-kit/5/

Entire kit is $200 https://www.outletpc.com/va7575-xspc-raystorm-ion-ex360-watercooling-kit-intelamd.html
 

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Would you mind linking and pricing out all that you have listed? CPU + full GPU block, similar res/pump, 240mm or more rad. I'm curious.

Assuming you come in at $300, it's still 25% more than the aluminum kit. Percentage wise, that's like comparing a 1070 to a 1080, but is the more expensive cooling option that substantial of difference in terms of performance?
Erm. lol? It's not just cooling performance that's the problem here. If ek killed the fluid line tomorrow you would have no ability to change for future products, making it no better than an aio. I think anyone that's been watercooling for a long time, will tell you if your going to nickle and dime it don't bother water cooling. You see it all the time from people over streching, over bending a piece of tube instead of just paying for an angled adapter, people nickle diming a drain valve etc, then have no proper way to drain etc. Water cooling isn't cheap and making it cheaper by sacrificing capability, scalability, reliability, and quality is not the way to go about it.


No one is saying to buy expensive exotic colored fittings etc, but cheap stuff (now in some instances non cheap stuff doesn't last long either. I.E ek rotary and their inner orings or the finish on their fittings) doesn't last long from pumps to fittings, to reservoirs. I use to be a pretty big EK fan boy. I got a lot of their product since 2010. I can tell you the quality has diminished and so has the performance compared to the competition while the price has only gone up.
 
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