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Ok I am working through all my upgrades and next is the GPU, I am going to be getting an eVGA this time as I have always wanted one and when it comes to GPU's they are never really beaten and the gigabyte's I have had have never impressed me. I can get a standard GTX580 for $795, the superclock version for $5 more or the 3GB one for $50 dollars more, I will hopefully SLI it later in the year or next year. I am a gamer and always will be, playing everything at 1080p and the latest games, crysis 2, bf3 and possibly far cry 3 and so on. Will it be worth while getting the 3GB version? I don't upgrade often so I try to do the best with the money I have.
 

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1.5GB is fine for 1080p, and I wouldn't spend more money on the slightly overclocked version. I'd go with the vanilla 1.5gb version for 1080p out of those choices. Any particular reason why you'd rather have the stock-clocked 3gb gtx 580 over the radeon 7970 (not listed)?
 

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Wow prices in New Zeland are crazy. Not sure what it equivilates to in US.

Anyway. On a single 1920x1200 resolution monitor 1.5GB VRAM is doing just fine with current games all the way up to VRAM hungry BF3. I tap out at 1.425GB VRAM maxed ultra settings with 4xMSAA enabled.

I've got a 24/7 over clock 900/1800/2750 which is a 16% on the Core / Shader and 5% Memory on my EVGA GTX 580 at stock voltage 1.0880mV. My best 3DMark11 graphic score was at 950/1900/2075 was 7387 at 1.1250mV over voltage.
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I'm not even going to ask how much the 7970 is going to cost in New Zeland being new to the market and from what I've heard it's outrageous in places like Argentina.

In hind sight though games aren't effecting my 1.5GB VRAM on my single 1920x1200 resolution 120Hz monitor, should they by next year become more demanding, you may want to break out for the 3GB version.
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Looking down the road and the fact you said that your not upgrading for a while you might want to look to next year in case a game may come down the road you really like but will require more than 1.5GB VRAM in order to get best FPS.

There was a test done by Linus Tech Tips on YouTube on Crysis 2 maxed settings and the cards on the same system between 1.5GB vs 3.0GB showed a 1FPS performance gain. So no gains where VRAM isn't being maxed out. On other BF3 benches the difference was minor as well even though BF3 was claiming more VRAM due to the BF3 memory leak bug it has that hasn't been addressed.

That's my take. Good luck bud.
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Based on what you have said it does make me lean toward the superclock version as $5 is nothing and if the actual VRAM capacity doesn't matter alot when a more demanding game becomes available I can get a second superclock and those in SLI should dominate a new series card.
 

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The SC versions are basically a 3% over clock that EVGA 'binned' (meaning tested the VRAM) to run at that higher OC and can garuantee it under warranty at those specs.

Originally it was belived that those cards would be better over clickers. (I thought that as well ). However they don't bin all thier VRAM anyway. So what this means a few things.

One, the cards that are binned aren't tested past the 3% OC and it dosent mean they will or will not be a good over clocker anyway past that 3%.

Two, it dosent mean that the other VRAM can't over clock well because they weren't binned either and may very well be just as good of an over clocker or even better.

Three, either can be just as good as each other. Meaning it dosent guarantee that the SC versions are the better VRAM anyway.

I've seen non SC cards over clock higher than 'vanilla' versions. So it didn't mean much at all at the end of the day. It used to be that way years ago but not any longer as many have proven over the past couple years. The fact mine does well for a reference card is just luck of the draw. The VRAM lottery basically. In the end $5 isn't much for an SC version but dosent mean much difference.

My SC version is exactly a 3% over clock past the vanilla specs.
When I tell people I run my card 16% over clock 24/7, I mean past vanilla reference specs anyway.

Hope that helps clarify the SC debate.
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Are you still going to pay those prices if you buy off newegg or ebay or something? Do they ship to you? There are plenty of places that with shipping included youd still save a couple hundred over local vendors.

On the matter of vram...I just got two 580 lightning extremes. Let me say, wow. I moved from 2 1.2gb 570s and the screen hasn't batted an eyelash once. I would get stuttering at least a few times a minute on the old 570's because every square inch of that vram fills up. Let me also admit you do not need two 580's to run anything perfect, it can be done on one. However, I couldnt resist and I had the cash and these cards are sweet.
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Now on the 3gb cards, BF3 ultra uses as much as 2gb and some change at points, though averaging around 1700mb. I wouldnt say "wait till games become more demanding" because they are already here, if you play bf3 or some of the other big ones out now. 3gb is where all cards are going to be headed anyways. Not exactly sure what the lower models of the 7xxx series will have, but Im certain it would be more than 1.2g. Someone correct that if its wrong though.

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-nVidia-N580GTX-Geforce-GTX-580-3GB-Twin-Frozr-III-Lightning-Xtreme-Edition-/250969929439?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item3a6ef936df

I was eyeing that dudes card for a while until I came across some others I picked up. Maybe he can ship internationally?
 

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Future proof. In bf3, I am pulling 1600mb+ on some Kardkand maps. Definitely go with the 3GB 580 Vanilla:thumb:
 

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Thanks for the info guys, I think the 3GB one sounds more appealing now and should give me a little longer before needing to SLI it. The reason I was looking at the SC instead of the standard one aside from the $5 difference of course was because I have never had any luck over clocking my GPU's I have tried it on atleast all of them and I either couldn't get it stable or I would get it stable at only a couple of MHz higher than stock and made no difference in benchmarks or games. I would love the ability to buy on newegg as they have some good hardware that I can't get my hands on and really good prices but they do not ship out to NZ and ebay, with the shipping charges becomes too expensive. if you check on xe the super clock version comes to $675 USD but prices here are very high to start with but most places offer free shipping or shipping will be $5-$12
 

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VRAM is not binned, GPU is tested and certified at rated speed. Possible it may OC higher, but your mileage may vary.

Only exception is 580 Classified Ultra, this card has hand selected GPU's that in most cases scale beyond 1GHz (and sometimes more if you cool it good)

For gaming today and tomorrow I would recommend a 3GB card, as with MSAA in some titles we are getting pretty close to the 1.5GB limit.
 

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VRAM is not binned, GPU is tested and certified at rated speed. Possible it may OC higher, but your mileage may vary.
Only exception is 580 Classified Ultra, this card has hand selected GPU's that in most cases scale beyond 1GHz (and sometimes more if you cool it good)
For gaming today and tomorrow I would recommend a 3GB card, as with MSAA in some titles we are getting pretty close to the 1.5GB limit.
If only you guys had a deal with EK to make those waterblocks on the 580 Classy Ultra...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EVGA-JacobF View Post

VRAM is not binned, GPU is tested and certified at rated speed. Possible it may OC higher, but your mileage may vary.

Only exception is 580 Classified Ultra, this card has hand selected GPU's that in most cases scale beyond 1GHz (and sometimes more if you cool it good)

For gaming today and tomorrow I would recommend a 3GB card, as with MSAA in some titles we are getting pretty close to the 1.5GB limit.
Straight from the horses mouth. Thanks
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Hey who are you calling a horse? hehe jk
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@H4rd5tyl3 the block is a Swiftech/EVGA colab, we are always looking for new ideas on next gen blocks and we already have a few things in mind, but I was curious to know what you thought was lacking on the Classified block? Maybe we can implement for next gen
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