[dpg]

EVGA 7800 GT PCIe overclocks like crazy from theinquirer.net...

 

[|talian $tallion]

Yet my x1800 xl still kicks the crap out of it by 1000 points in 3d05

 

[GatorLCA]

But that extra 1000 points dont equate out to better framerates in games, I'm pretty sure they are the same, plus game to game different games are optimized for different cards.

So you might be able to have 1000 extra points but gameplay will be even or less with your card

 

[|talian $tallion]

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Originally Posted by GatorLCA So you might be able to have 1000 extra points but gameplay will be even or less with your card

Gameplay for me is not less in NFS:MS, BF2 or CS:S

 

[GatorLCA]

I can play pretty much everything on High and Full AA (except Quake 4 with AA cause that thing is a hog at 1280x960)

And

http://www.amdreview.com/reviews.php?rev=vcbench&page=2
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=3781&page=15

Both say the Framerates are better on the GT where it matters most not the benchmarking, so there's my proof, but as I said some games render better with either company it's just a mtter of which ones you play. The XL is an alright card but the GT has more versatility

 

[|talian $tallion]

I wont argue that at stock speeds the 7800gt is better, but an overclocked x1800xl will beat an overclocked 7800gt any day in most games/benches

I guess I forgot to mention that mine is overclocked

And the link you gave me proved that I was right, look at the attached screen LOL...

PS They didnt even overclock the memory, so I wouldnt even go by those screens

 

[GatorLCA]

I guess you fogot to look at the other games and the other chart above that one that showed the XL lacked, but I guess that's what people do is go by only 1 chart that their card is better. The XL (and XT) was outperformed by a whole lot against the GT...granted those are older games but nonetheless the GT still outperformed it by a substantial margin.

So the XL did ok in Far Cry but lets see the others

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=3781&page=12
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=3781&page=10

The GT is on top...so I did prove my case but you didn't with your 1 screen as to 5-6 for the GT. So say what you will, 1 game and 1 Bench for for a card doesn't make it superior in gameplay over another in the same tier

 

[|talian $tallion]

And you obvisously didn't read what i said after that, you cant go by those screens.

They barely overclocked the x1800xl

They have it running @ 574/1060 and mine is running @ 600/1400 just a little bit of a difference there LOL

 

[Lozza]

In my opinion..... You both own amazing cards!

 

[smokey83647]

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Originally Posted by |talian $tallion Yet my x1800 xl still kicks the crap out of it by 1000 points in 3d05

Why do you keep hyping up that card of yours? You're taking a benchmark score and trying to run with it like it's some sort of Cray Supercomputer (through a dead technology I might add; upgrade to PCIe please). Also, you're ATI card doesn't beat a eVGA 7800GT.

 

[GatorLCA]

Quote:

Originally Posted by |talian $tallion And you obvisously didn't read what i said after that, you cant go by those screens. They barely overclocked the x1800xl They have it running @ 574/1060 and mine is running @ 600/1400 just a little bit of a difference there LOL

Honestly not that much different...that XFX GT is clocked lower than mine. I have a really high Clock for a GT...Clock Speeds dont matter all that much if the rest of your computer is lacking

 

[fiendofmine]

Quote:

Originally Posted by |talian $tallion Yet my x1800 xl still kicks the crap out of it by 1000 points in 3d05

maybe but look at this
http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/...ii/page16.html
all 27 pages show nothing but ATI runner ups, the x1800xt doesnt even get as good fps as SLI 6600gts

 

[The Duke]

Both are fine cards... but the eVGA 7800GT 516 or 517 is on my to purchase list!
Can anyone confirm the 516 has the copper HS?

 

[GatorLCA]

I have the 516 so yes it does have the CO heatsink and clocked at 445 - edited

I think the 517 is the CO, the one that BigVal is getting and it's clocked at 460 instead of 470 and is cheaper, but that was in Canada so it might be different here in the states

EDIT: I'm wrong I actually got a CO that was accidentily label a CO SE

 

[fiendofmine]

http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/...ii/page16.html
and this
http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/...ii/page16.html
and yet again this
http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/...ii/page16.html
if you look at all the other charts youl see that Nvidia wins(except for Black & white the game)

 

[fiendofmine]

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Duke Both are fine cards... but the eVGA 7800GT 516 or 517 is on my to purchase list! Can anyone confirm the 516 has the copper HS?

i wouldnt keep the Stock HSF if i were you, id go with the Zalman VF-700

 

[fiendofmine]

and to add onto the ATI VS. Nvidia chrisis ATI gets higher FPS Only when being played Very low Everything

 

[|talian $tallion]

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Originally Posted by fiendofmine http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/...ii/page16.html and this http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/...ii/page16.html and yet again this http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/...ii/page16.html if you look at all the other charts youl see that Nvidia wins(except for Black & white the game)

Having looked at all those, the x1800xt beats the 7800gt in all games except for FEAR, so when you have an x1800 xl running nearly xt speeds which card do you think is gonna win the battle...

 

[Peroxide]

I've noticed that x1800xt beats the 7800 GT in benchmarks, but in actual game play it seems to fall behind.

Optimized for benchmarks to appear better than it is?

 

[GatorLCA]

Quote:

Originally Posted by |talian $tallion Having looked at all those, the x1800xt beats the 7800gt in all games except for FEAR, so when you have an x1800 xl running nearly xt speeds which card do you think is gonna win the battle...

Sme goes for GT's running at GTX speeds (which mine is), that throws out your argument right there

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Originally Posted by Peroxide Optimized for benchmarks to appear better than it is?

I know right, I mentioned this in the x1900XT thread saying that Ati probably optimized the card, and someone told me that was a stupid way of thinking, but it's obviously true especially with the x1800s. how can a card that scores higher in a 3d05 Benchmark (9000+) lose in gameplay, I'll take gameplay FPS than a benchmark score, the x1800's were junk if you ask me, the x1900XT is on par to a GTX but still 1 generation behind