Good post. Wish you mods had +rep buttons.
False/Clever User Locations
**I KNOW SIMILAR IDEAS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE**
The Background:
I remember this thread and the suggestion there was to force people to have correct locations. Many arguments were brought up for and against. I agreed with the underlying idea of the suggestion, but the method of enforcement was a bit vague.
I personally feel that the Location field is not a place for clever things such as "Neverland", "in your girlfriend's pants", or "right behind you" (if you have one of these, I am not specifically targeting you, they are just examples). Try to argue that those sorts of locations make this site more professional. The location can help in multiple situations: For Sale (the new tags help this as well), where to recommend parts from, and general comradery among members. While a false or clever location isn't usually detrimental to the forum, it sure doesn't aide people in taking the forum seriously.
The Suggestion:
Rather than leave the field as a user input, why not make it a drop down list. Maybe Country and sub category, State/Province. That give the general location without allowing users to put in whatever they want. This would ensure the locations were at least actual locations.
So, that is my suggestion. We've all seen on other sites and forms how it would work. No region would be left out and if by chance one was, a simple PM would get it added to the list. It would be slightly less specific than the current system. Rather than having exact cities or ever exact coordinates, it would be limited to states/provinces and country. People could still chose a false location if they wished, but after a couple incidents of people relying on that location to give them help I'm pretty sure most would either remove it or chose the correct one.
Please remember the purpose of suggestion threads and add something if it is a positive addition. Otherwise, please leave peacefully. To quote:
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The Background:
I remember this thread and the suggestion there was to force people to have correct locations. Many arguments were brought up for and against. I agreed with the underlying idea of the suggestion, but the method of enforcement was a bit vague.
I personally feel that the Location field is not a place for clever things such as "Neverland", "in your girlfriend's pants", or "right behind you" (if you have one of these, I am not specifically targeting you, they are just examples). Try to argue that those sorts of locations make this site more professional. The location can help in multiple situations: For Sale (the new tags help this as well), where to recommend parts from, and general comradery among members. While a false or clever location isn't usually detrimental to the forum, it sure doesn't aide people in taking the forum seriously.
The Suggestion:
Rather than leave the field as a user input, why not make it a drop down list. Maybe Country and sub category, State/Province. That give the general location without allowing users to put in whatever they want. This would ensure the locations were at least actual locations.
So, that is my suggestion. We've all seen on other sites and forms how it would work. No region would be left out and if by chance one was, a simple PM would get it added to the list. It would be slightly less specific than the current system. Rather than having exact cities or ever exact coordinates, it would be limited to states/provinces and country. People could still chose a false location if they wished, but after a couple incidents of people relying on that location to give them help I'm pretty sure most would either remove it or chose the correct one.
Please remember the purpose of suggestion threads and add something if it is a positive addition. Otherwise, please leave peacefully. To quote:
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Originally Posted by BFRD Lately there have been too many instances of arguing in the Suggestion forum. The purpose of this forum is for the staff to hear ideas about potential add-ons or new features that might benefit the site. It was not intended to be a place for members to debate the merits of someone's suggestion. If someone makes a suggestion and you as a member with your own opinion feel like you have something positive to add, please do so. If you simply think the idea is terrible, that isn't helpful to anyone and should be kept to yourself. We don't make a habit of implementing terrible ideas so there is no reason to get worked up. If we do implement a feature that you don't think was great then please do let us know why you feel that way. |
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As far as enforcement goes, there is only so much the Staff as a whole can do with regards to the Professional Initiative. Often the phrase, "lead my example", comes to mind.
The issue at hand is not so much "enforcement", but more or less "lack of effort" put forth by the membership to adhere to the Professional Initiative. There is only so much a small group of members (Staff) can do when it comes to this, especially in a community as large as Overclock.net. Hope that this makes sense!
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Originally Posted by halifax1 I agree. The Professionalism Initiative isn't enforced enough by any means. |
The issue at hand is not so much "enforcement", but more or less "lack of effort" put forth by the membership to adhere to the Professional Initiative. There is only so much a small group of members (Staff) can do when it comes to this, especially in a community as large as Overclock.net. Hope that this makes sense!
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This suggestion would cause that area (Locations) to not even have to be moderated. That is the point. It removes members from putting pointless phrases there. When they have enough money or rep and time they will get an overclocked account and can be clever in their user title. But for members who just join and their whole account is a joke, it would solve one of those problems by not even allowing them to do it. No moderation would be needed.
Originally Posted by mega_option101 As far as enforcement goes, there is only so much the Staff as a whole can do with regards to the Professional Initiative. Often the phrase, "lead my example", comes to mind. The issue at hand is not so much "enforcement", but more or less "lack of effort" put forth by the membership to adhere to the Professional Initiative. There is only so much a small group of members (Staff) can do when it comes to this, especially in a community as large as Overclock.net. Hope that this makes sense!
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This would be really helpful for when I'm looking to buy something and the silly person lives really far away.
I wholeheartedly agree with this suggestion
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I wholeheartedly agree with this suggestion
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No, I read the post and suggestion and I feel it your solution is a bigger problem than the one it solves.
And if you are referring to the purpose of suggestion threads portion, I refuse to be a Yes Man. The rest of you can act like lemmings if you want, but pointing out problems [both personal and universal] with ideas in a rationale manner is productive as it can make the ideas better if that is possible.
Edit: The way The Suggestions Board works without opposing thoughts is called: An exercise in "group think".
As for use in the Marketplace, I agree that a seller truthfully listing their location is useful, but that can be addressed and managed on the Marketplace Board.
Originally Posted by IEATFISH And yet another person who didn't even take the time to read the OP... 
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And if you are referring to the purpose of suggestion threads portion, I refuse to be a Yes Man. The rest of you can act like lemmings if you want, but pointing out problems [both personal and universal] with ideas in a rationale manner is productive as it can make the ideas better if that is possible.
Edit: The way The Suggestions Board works without opposing thoughts is called: An exercise in "group think".
As for use in the Marketplace, I agree that a seller truthfully listing their location is useful, but that can be addressed and managed on the Marketplace Board.
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So we ignore the small ones which are easily remedied?
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Originally Posted by TestECull Still disagree. OCN has bigger problems than the odd witty location. |
I'll agree, posted a similar suggestion for this as well. I've got no problem with having a humorous/witty location, but having country/flag too would be a big help.
I found it would be esp useful when people ask for suggestions on items and don't list where they're from (everyone posts Newegg links then OP says he's from Uzbekistan)...
EDIT: Just realized I'm the only "offender" of this in here, but I do specify my whereabouts when it's applicable
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I found it would be esp useful when people ask for suggestions on items and don't list where they're from (everyone posts Newegg links then OP says he's from Uzbekistan)...
EDIT: Just realized I'm the only "offender" of this in here, but I do specify my whereabouts when it's applicable
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Will it be "easily remedied" enough that I can keep my present location?
Do you know how big a drop-down menu will be that keeps all the choices for all the names of towns in the USA alone?
Originally Posted by IEATFISH So we ignore the small ones which are easily remedied?
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Do you know how big a drop-down menu will be that keeps all the choices for all the names of towns in the USA alone?
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No need to get that specific. Country would be enough IMO, user could list state/province if they felt needed.
Originally Posted by thegreatsquare Will it be "easily remedied" enough that I can keep my present location? Do you know how big a drop-down menu will be that keeps all the choices for all the names of towns in the USA alone? |
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So as far as your concerned, you want to implement this rule on everyone because you hate frivolity in any form and to aid Marketplace transactions even though there is all ready a rule for that here as follows.
Q. When making my thread, is there anything I should do?
A. Absolutely, first of all use the dropdown menu to choose either For Sale, Trade, etc, as well as a descriptive title, please don’t do be vague, and say “My For Sale Thread,†or anything like that, either include a few items you are selling in the title, or the name of the item you are selling. Next to your title, be sure to put a location ‘tag,’ in brackets (e.g. [U.S], [Canada], [Global], etc.) By doing this, you ensure that your buyers know the item is being sold from, and where you are willing to ship to. Also, inside the actual body of the thread, put all the details of the item you are selling, include images if you have them, and make sure to put a price down.
Originally Posted by candy_van No need to get that specific. Country would be enough IMO, user could list state/province if they felt needed. |
Q. When making my thread, is there anything I should do?
A. Absolutely, first of all use the dropdown menu to choose either For Sale, Trade, etc, as well as a descriptive title, please don’t do be vague, and say “My For Sale Thread,†or anything like that, either include a few items you are selling in the title, or the name of the item you are selling. Next to your title, be sure to put a location ‘tag,’ in brackets (e.g. [U.S], [Canada], [Global], etc.) By doing this, you ensure that your buyers know the item is being sold from, and where you are willing to ship to. Also, inside the actual body of the thread, put all the details of the item you are selling, include images if you have them, and make sure to put a price down.
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But that's the OP's responsibility so should it be a rule implemented on everyone? And it isn't mandatory, so you only effect those that put anything at all. So you won't fix most of the problems because the regulars will know to include the info, but will be forced to change unfairly and the newbs won't put anything at all and screw you up anyway.
Originally Posted by Syrillian Should I change mine to read the city and State? I ask as I feel that Fish has a valid point. When recommending hardware sources, knowing where the person is can save time and frustration. |
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