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Better card overall, I wouldn't trust Palit so much.
Better card overall, I wouldn't trust Palit so much.
Final card decision
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I don't play Elder Scrolls so IDK what to expect as far as VRAM usage, though 1GB is usually enough for most games at 1080p. Having owned 4 different MSI cards before these Palits, I have to say they do have some fantastic aftermarket cooling. TF2 keeps cards very cool and quiet. The Palit cooler is easily 2x as loud when the fans are over 50% and they don't keep temps as low.
If you can wait a bit longer, the 560 Hawk is on the way with Twin Frozr 3, which is supposed to be cooler, quieter and comes higher clocked (950 core).
Of course, none of that will matter if you hit your frame buffer limit and your cards choke. If you're really concerned about the extra VRAM, the 2gb could be a good investment (or you could get a cheaper 470 and OC the hell out of it).
My Palits have been decent OCers. I got both to run ~925 core with no voltage tweaks, but my ambient temps are high atm and in order to keep temps down since I'm running SLI, I leave them at 900. With a single card though you should have plenty of OC headroom. My top card tops out in the upper 70s with the current clocks with the 2nd card hitting the upper 60s.
They're also tiny. These cards are less than 8 inches long, so they fit pretty much anywhere.
Originally Posted by RomeSC  get Booty Warrior in here. He SLI's those Palit 560's and can give you personal Insight. |
I don't play Elder Scrolls so IDK what to expect as far as VRAM usage, though 1GB is usually enough for most games at 1080p. Having owned 4 different MSI cards before these Palits, I have to say they do have some fantastic aftermarket cooling. TF2 keeps cards very cool and quiet. The Palit cooler is easily 2x as loud when the fans are over 50% and they don't keep temps as low.
If you can wait a bit longer, the 560 Hawk is on the way with Twin Frozr 3, which is supposed to be cooler, quieter and comes higher clocked (950 core).
Of course, none of that will matter if you hit your frame buffer limit and your cards choke. If you're really concerned about the extra VRAM, the 2gb could be a good investment (or you could get a cheaper 470 and OC the hell out of it).
My Palits have been decent OCers. I got both to run ~925 core with no voltage tweaks, but my ambient temps are high atm and in order to keep temps down since I'm running SLI, I leave them at 900. With a single card though you should have plenty of OC headroom. My top card tops out in the upper 70s with the current clocks with the 2nd card hitting the upper 60s.
They're also tiny. These cards are less than 8 inches long, so they fit pretty much anywhere.
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At 1080p, AA x2, 8x Anisotropic and max settings I think the gadget said I was using about 850MB of the Vram in Oblivion, So I fully expect Skyrim *the new one that comes out in November* to need more than a 1gb framebuffer. Although to compensate I could simply play at lower settings. I was hoping for max view distance in certain aspects ect.
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haha I read TF2 as Team Fortress 2. I was reading terrible newegg comments about the Palit 460/SE's but it seemed they redeemed themselves with the 560 series. Though it's apparently still using older designs or something.
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That sounds amazing honestly, I saw someone on here yesterday had linked it on MSI's site, but the price and date of release is unknown, and my limit is $250, I can manage $270 for the 2GB Palit. And I need a card that won't burst into flames for Portal 2 in 7 days, my current 9600 GT has a malfunctioning fan. So It's safe to assume this card will possibly push $280+ ?
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I'm honestly contemplating it, I just hope Skyrim's requirements aren't so high the 2GB Vram would be nullified out by the clock speeds of every other aspect of the card.
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That's perfect information, as I measured and the longest a card can be in my case is 8.5 Inches if it has the power connectors on the back, It can be as long as 9.75-10 if it has the connectors on the side.
Edit - Booty Warrior, can you recommend a PSU for the MSI 560 TF2 please ? I have an AMD Socket 938 Mobo, so I need a 4pin connector for the processor itself, and a 24pin connector for the mobo. My limit is $100 for the PSU.
Originally Posted by Booty Warrior I don't play Elder Scrolls so IDK what to expect as far as VRAM usage, though 1GB is usually enough for most games at 1080p. |
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Originally Posted by Booty Warrior TF2 keeps cards very cool and quiet. The Palit cooler is easily 2x as loud when the fans are over 50% and they don't keep temps as low. |
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Originally Posted by Booty Warrior If you can wait a bit longer, the 560 Hawk is on the way with Twin Frozr 3, which is supposed to be cooler, quieter and comes higher clocked (950 core). |
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Originally Posted by Booty Warrior Of course, none of that will matter if you hit your frame buffer limit and your cards choke. If you're really concerned about the extra VRAM, the 2gb could be a good investment (or you could get a cheaper 470 and OC the hell out of it). |
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Originally Posted by Booty Warrior They're also tiny. These cards are less than 8 inches long, so they fit pretty much anywhere. |
Edit - Booty Warrior, can you recommend a PSU for the MSI 560 TF2 please ? I have an AMD Socket 938 Mobo, so I need a 4pin connector for the processor itself, and a 24pin connector for the mobo. My limit is $100 for the PSU.
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Glad I could help!
Given those measurements, you'd have no problems with the Palit 560s. They're ~7.5 inches and have side mounted 6 pin power connectors. The TF2 cards are a lot longer w/back mounted connectors (though I don't have any TF2 cards anymore so I can't give an exact measurement).
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For a single card any high quality 500 watt should be sufficient. I'm partial to Corsair because of their fantastic customer service, but Seasonic/Antec/Silverstone all have great PSUs. If you're looking for a modular model in that price range the Silverstone Strider Plus is nice. I've used it in an HTPC build and it's really quiet.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817256065
Originally Posted by Ascii Aficionado That's perfect information, as I measured and the longest a card can be in my case is 8.5 Inches if it has the power connectors on the back, It can be as long as 9.75-10 if it has the connectors on the side. |
Given those measurements, you'd have no problems with the Palit 560s. They're ~7.5 inches and have side mounted 6 pin power connectors. The TF2 cards are a lot longer w/back mounted connectors (though I don't have any TF2 cards anymore so I can't give an exact measurement).
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Edit - Booty Warrior, can you recommend a PSU for the MSI 560 TF2 please ? I have an AMD Socket 938 Mobo, so I need a 4pin connector for the processor itself, and a 24pin connector for the mobo. My limit is $100 for the PSU. |
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817256065
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You certainly did, I already gave you rep for your first post, but, here, HAVE SOME MORE *explosion noises*
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Unless there's some spectacular deal that appears in the next week I'm almost certain I'm getting the MSI 560 TF2.
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During the A64 single core days I knew practically everything I needed to know to build any PC during that era, but now I don't as I disappeared from the PC scene for many years. Back then the 4pin connecter that the Processor needed was called the P4 cord, what's the official term now ? I don't see any 4pin connector on that PSU. I assume it does though since you linked it and I'm almost certain I'm going to get that specific PSU.
Originally Posted by Booty Warrior Glad I could help! |
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Originally Posted by Booty Warrior Given those measurements, you'd have no problems with the Palit 560s. They're ~7.5 inches and have side mounted 6 pin power connectors. The TF2 cards are a lot longer w/back mounted connectors (though I don't have any TF2 cards anymore so I can't give an exact measurement). |
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Originally Posted by Booty Warrior For a single card any high quality 500 watt should be sufficient. I'm partial to Corsair because of their fantastic customer service, but Seasonic/Antec/Silverstone all have great PSUs. If you're looking for a modular model in that price range the Silverstone Strider Plus is nice. I've used it in an HTPC build and it's really quiet. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817256065 |
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Hahaha, thanks.
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It does. Under the Connectors section:
"1 x 4+4-Pin ATX/EPS 12V"
Originally Posted by Ascii Aficionado You certainly did, I already gave you rep for your first post, but, here, HAVE SOME MORE *explosion noises* |
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During the A64 single core days I knew practically everything I needed to know to build any PC during that era, but now I don't as I disappeared from the PC scene for many years. Back then the 4pin connecter that the Processor needed was called the P4 cord, what's the official term now ? I don't see any 4pin connector on that PSU. I assume it does though since you linked it and I'm almost certain I'm going to get that specific PSU. |
"1 x 4+4-Pin ATX/EPS 12V"
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NP, fairly sure it won't be the last time I explode rep your way.
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Thanks, I r smart.
So I found 2 reviews of the MSI 560 TF2, they both list the card as being 237mm long, that calculates to 9.38 inches. The PCI-E connectors are on the back so that will leave just about .5 inches between the cords when they're plugged in and the HDD bays.
So all in all I think my research is finally over, I'm going to get that PSU you recommended.
I'll be sure to OC that 560 as if I don't it would be a waste of it's potential and apparently OC'ing it is incredibly simple even though I've never OC'd anything before.
I think the PSU is sufficient enough I can OC the card ? I ask questions when I don't know, that's how we learn, and this is the best place to do it.
Originally Posted by Booty Warrior Hahaha, thanks. |
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Originally Posted by Booty Warrior It does. Under the Connectors section: "1 x 4+4-Pin ATX/EPS 12V" |
So I found 2 reviews of the MSI 560 TF2, they both list the card as being 237mm long, that calculates to 9.38 inches. The PCI-E connectors are on the back so that will leave just about .5 inches between the cords when they're plugged in and the HDD bays.
So all in all I think my research is finally over, I'm going to get that PSU you recommended.
I'll be sure to OC that 560 as if I don't it would be a waste of it's potential and apparently OC'ing it is incredibly simple even though I've never OC'd anything before.
I think the PSU is sufficient enough I can OC the card ? I ask questions when I don't know, that's how we learn, and this is the best place to do it.
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You might be pushing it. Perhaps upgrade to a 450W
Originally Posted by Ascii Aficionado NP, fairly sure it won't be the last time I explode rep your way. Thanks, I r smart. So I found 2 reviews of the MSI 560 TF2, they both list the card as being 237mm long, that calculates to 9.38 inches. The PCI-E connectors are on the back so that will leave just about .5 inches between the cords when they're plugged in and the HDD bays. So all in all I think my research is finally over, I'm going to get that PSU you recommended. I'll be sure to OC that 560 as if I don't it would be a waste of it's potential and apparently OC'ing it is incredibly simple even though I've never OC'd anything before. I think the PSU is sufficient enough I can OC the card ? I ask questions when I don't know, that's how we learn, and this is the best place to do it. |
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The PSU Booty linked is a 500watt......
Originally Posted by Nova. You might be pushing it. Perhaps upgrade to a 450W or 500W... |
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Lol, I am stupid. Did not read the thread.
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Originally Posted by Ascii Aficionado The PSU Booty linked is a 500watt...... |
Yes, you are fine
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No, it's a 2gb card. It's on newegg... there's a link, and other searches show comments saying it's 2GB...
1GB version
2GB version
2GB version is using default reference clock speeds and you pay more as it has 2GB of Vram.
1GB version is clocked significantly higher.
Originally Posted by Anthraxinsoup That palit card is 1 GB, not 2. They don't make 2GB 560s yet, least to my knowledge. |
No, it's a 2gb card. It's on newegg... there's a link, and other searches show comments saying it's 2GB...
1GB version
2GB version
2GB version is using default reference clock speeds and you pay more as it has 2GB of Vram.
1GB version is clocked significantly higher.
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I'd love to wait but I need a card for Portal 2 but more importantly I can't picture the HAWK TF3 being within or even near my budget for a video card which is $250, I was willing to go to $270 for the Palit card, If I was going to get it.
Originally Posted by EfemaN The 560 Hawk was just announced; has the TFIII cooler, higher stock clocks, and by the looks of it actually has VRM cooling -> possible higher overclocks (though I run at 960 core already). The TFII card I own kicks ass, but there's a good chance I'll be selling this in favor of the Hawk. |
I'd love to wait but I need a card for Portal 2 but more importantly I can't picture the HAWK TF3 being within or even near my budget for a video card which is $250, I was willing to go to $270 for the Palit card, If I was going to get it.
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I recommend this power supply over the one earlier in the thread
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-005-_-Product
Corsair is super top notch. I had a Corsair 520w modular PSU die after 3 years and they replaced it with a 650w modular and paid for shipping both ways. Excellent.
EDIT: Also, You will be hitting the 1gb vram mark on stock skyrim if maxxed out. If you want to mod it with high res textures you will be very limited by the 1gb. For example... look at this high res texture mod for oblivion...
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=18498
Look at the images in the photos particularly the side by side photos users have posted. Just AMAZING.
My 570 might not be enough to fully mod skyrim, time will tell...
EDIT2: Not saying the 560 is a bad choice at all, its the best nvidia card for the money. I'm sure it will suit you fine, and the upgrade in performance you will get will blow your mind. That said, there are $295 reference GTX 570's with rebates available on newegg.
Also, the gtx 560 HAWK might come in at $250 as well. The 570 Twin Forzr III is up on Newegg for the same price as the Twin Frozr II. You never know.
Originally Posted by Ascii Aficionado I'd love to wait but I need a card for Portal 2 but more importantly I can't picture the HAWK TF3 being within or even near my budget for a video card which is $250, I was willing to go to $270 for the Palit card, If I was going to get it. |
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-005-_-Product
Corsair is super top notch. I had a Corsair 520w modular PSU die after 3 years and they replaced it with a 650w modular and paid for shipping both ways. Excellent.
EDIT: Also, You will be hitting the 1gb vram mark on stock skyrim if maxxed out. If you want to mod it with high res textures you will be very limited by the 1gb. For example... look at this high res texture mod for oblivion...
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=18498
Look at the images in the photos particularly the side by side photos users have posted. Just AMAZING.
My 570 might not be enough to fully mod skyrim, time will tell...
EDIT2: Not saying the 560 is a bad choice at all, its the best nvidia card for the money. I'm sure it will suit you fine, and the upgrade in performance you will get will blow your mind. That said, there are $295 reference GTX 570's with rebates available on newegg.
Also, the gtx 560 HAWK might come in at $250 as well. The 570 Twin Forzr III is up on Newegg for the same price as the Twin Frozr II. You never know.
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I'm not sure about the PSU's, I'll research more in the next few days.
By the time Skyrim comes out I'll only be 1 generation away from the highest cards that will be out then which is fine. But, having the framebuffer bottleneck with faster clocks peeds will be an astronomically bigger bottleneck vs having slower clock speeds with no framebuffer bottleneck. So I just don't know, I'm still leaning towards the MSI TF2 unless something amazing happens soon, So we'll see. I'm not ordering until the last second.
Originally Posted by RomeSC I recommend this power supply over the one earlier in the thread http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-005-_-Product Corsair is super top notch. I had a Corsair 520w modular PSU die after 3 years and they replaced it with a 650w modular and paid for shipping both ways. Excellent. EDIT: Also, You will be hitting the 1gb vram mark on stock skyrim if maxxed out. If you want to mod it with high res textures you will be very limited by the 1gb. For example... look at this high res texture mod for oblivion... http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=18498 Look at the images in the photos particularly the side by side photos users have posted. Just AMAZING. My 570 might not be enough to fully mod skyrim, time will tell... EDIT2: Not saying the 560 is a bad choice at all, its the best nvidia card for the money. I'm sure it will suit you fine, and the upgrade in performance you will get will blow your mind. That said, there are $295 reference GTX 570's with rebates available on newegg. Also, the gtx 560 HAWK might come in at $250 as well. The 570 Twin Forzr III is up on Newegg for the same price as the Twin Frozr II. You never know. |
By the time Skyrim comes out I'll only be 1 generation away from the highest cards that will be out then which is fine. But, having the framebuffer bottleneck with faster clocks peeds will be an astronomically bigger bottleneck vs having slower clock speeds with no framebuffer bottleneck. So I just don't know, I'm still leaning towards the MSI TF2 unless something amazing happens soon, So we'll see. I'm not ordering until the last second.
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