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Hey guys.

I have an older 20gb Ipod that is barely able to hold all of my music (encoded in .mp3 @ 192 kbps)

The majority of my music I own on CD's and I was wondering if there is a handheld music player that can hold more than 40gb-50gb of music AND supports FLAC format.

before I spend a few hours ripping all of my music into FLAC format, is there a handheld that can support all of it that actually exists?

thanks in advance!
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Hey guys.

I have an older 20gb Ipod that is barely able to hold all of my music (encoded in .mp3 @ 192 kbps)

The majority of my music I own on CD's and I was wondering if there is a handheld music player that can hold more than 40gb-50gb of music AND supports FLAC format.

before I spend a few hours ripping all of my music into FLAC format, is there a handheld that can support all of it that actually exists?

thanks in advance!

You can turn your old iPod into one


With RockBox. It also eliminates the need for iTunes (thankfully)...
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You can turn your old iPod into one


With RockBox. It also eliminates the need for iTunes (thankfully)...

that's pretty cool!

I'm guessing the 5.5th generation Ipod is the 120gb classic?

definitely will be keeping this in mind, but are there any other players with large storage that support FLAC natively?
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no the 120g is the 6th gen or later you need to get a actual 5.5 and i think the 5.5's go up to 80
Sansa Fuze/Clip handle FLAC natively. You can also rip to ALAC (Apple Lossless Audio Codec) which is Apples version of FLAC.

On a personal note I find FLAC totally worthless on a portable system were space can become an issue and also if you have ever noticed the first thing to roll off while on the go is bass. On my Fuze and Clip I use Vorbis v6 vbr files which saves space (smaller then mp3's and better sounding) and is fine for on the move. The Clip/Fuze are also native to Vorbis


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Sansa Fuze/Clip handle FLAC natively. You can also rip to ALAC (Apple Lossless Audio Codec) which is Apples version of FLAC.

On a personal note I find FLAC totally worthless on a portable system were space can become an issue and also if you have ever noticed the first thing to roll off while on the go is bass. On my Fuze and Clip I use Vorbis v6 vbr files which saves space (smaller then mp3's and better sounding) and is fine for on the move. The Clip/Fuze are also native to Vorbis


pink

this is why I was asking if there was a player out there that had the storage I was looking for


can't seem to find a native player that supports FLAC and has over 50gb of storage..

looks like I'll find an 80gb ipod and use RockBox on it.
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5.5 Gen goes up to 80gb, I had one but sold it for 200 recently.
5th gen goes upto 120gb. - Very nice.
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this is why I was asking if there was a player out there that had the storage I was looking for


can't seem to find a native player that supports FLAC and has over 50gb of storage..

looks like I'll find an 80gb ipod and use RockBox on it.
Read closer.

ALAC will work with all the lastest iPods and is Apples Losses Audio Codec. After that you would be looking into PMP devices like Archos which just get very expensive.

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I agree with pink, you should really just convert your collection to ALAC and save yourself some money
money isn't the issue guys


my current music collection is around 17gb, and I have a 20gb ipod.
when that is converted into FLAC or ALAC it will be too much for my ipod.

thanks for the answer's guys.
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Is FLAC really necessary for a portable? If you ripped your cd's to 320k there would be a huge difference in audio quality.FLAC is great, yes.. but PORTABLE means jsut that for a reason.
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money isn't the issue guys


my current music collection is around 17gb, and I have a 20gb ipod.
when that is converted into FLAC or ALAC it will be too much for my ipod.

thanks for the answer's guys.

Well you will have to re rip everything for FLAC. My collection in FLAC right now is almost 70gb when converted to OGG I can fit it on my 24gb Fuze with almost 13gb left over. So you can imagine the jump in size you will get.

I suggest ALAC due to it being the same as FLAC just for Apple devices not because I am lazy on players. Plus this would allow you to buy whatever Apples now biggest player is and get all the FLACness you want.

If you use Foobar or the like I would be willing to send you a ogg and a FLAC of the same song and you may listen to it to see if you can hear a difference with whatever pair of portable phones you are using.

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Is FLAC really necessary for a portable? If you ripped your cd's to 320k there would be a huge difference in audio quality.FLAC is great, yes.. but PORTABLE means jsut that for a reason.
I do have all my CD's ripped at 320k lol. I'm going to get a new portable soon anyways, I'm just trying to see if it is feasible/possible to keep everything in the best sound quality.

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Well you will have to re rip everything for FLAC. My collection in FLAC right now is almost 70gb when converted to OGG I can fit it on my 24gb Fuze with almost 13gb left over. So you can imagine the jump in size you will get.

I suggest ALAC due to it being the same as FLAC just for Apple devices not because I am lazy on players. Plus this would allow you to buy whatever Apples now biggest player is and get all the FLACness you want.

pink
I'm guessing ALAC will require Itunes? =/
oh well, just using it for syncing isn't a big deal.
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I do have all my CD's ripped at 320k lol. I'm going to get a new portable soon anyways, I'm just trying to see if it is feasible/possible to keep everything in the best sound quality.

I'm guessing ALAC will require Itunes? =/
oh well, just using it for syncing isn't a big deal.

yea and you can make foobar play alac's too so all u have to use Ftunes for is syncing
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yea and you can make foobar play alac's too so all u have to use Ftunes for is syncing
does Winamp support ALAC?
if not I'll be making the transition to Foobar shorty
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I do have all my CD's ripped at 320k lol. I'm going to get a new portable soon anyways, I'm just trying to see if it is feasible/possible to keep everything in the best sound quality.

I'm guessing ALAC will require Itunes? =/
oh well, just using it for syncing isn't a big deal.
1. The best option is always to rip into a Lossless format then do what you want with it, as I have said I have converted everything to Vorbis v6 for portable us.

2. I would assume so but I think Foobar will allow it to be played. I would do some googling or go over to www.head-fi.org for more info.

Also don't CBR your music always vbr if it's going to be a lossy format. Here is an example of why:

Let's say you buy a shirt from company A and the size is XL fits great snug in all the right places, now let's say you buy a shirt from company B and it is also XL but fit's much larger. Well now you have all this extra space that was never needed in the first place, a L would've fit much better and reduced excess fabric.

fabric would be the size of the file.

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Good analogy pink, rep+

I'll probably start ripping in ALAC tomorrow, and begin looking for deals on 80gb and 120gb ipod.
that seems the easiest to do.
Just another device to look at is iriver spinn. They've been supporting all codecs dating back to my mp3/wma/whatever you can think of SlimX CD player. Their devices also have great sound quality so FLAC on a device wouldn't be for nothing.
Also I am quite sure the Cowon's all play FLAC. Granted they are kind of expensive.
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Also I am quite sure the Cowon's all play FLAC. Granted they are kind of expensive.

they are very expensive and most of them have limited space capacitys. the most i have seen is 80gb and those are rediculously expensive. best pmp players out there tho if you have the cash for one theirs basicaly nothing better than a cowon.
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