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According to Digitimes, Nvidia's Fermi is still plagued by poor yields, but the company is still expected to have enough cards at launch.TSMC's yields are apparently still under 50 percent and it is unclear whether they can or will improve anytime soon.
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Not great news for nvidia, guess the yields really were as bad as people made them out to be.


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I get to see it in action at PAX this weekend


I can't wait!

Same here. Hope it's going to be a cool event.

back on topic: oh look, it's FUD.
 

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If they really are only getting 50% yields, I wonder if it's better for them to drive ATI into a price drop by pricing low, or to try and make as much money as they can by pricing high.
 

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If they really are only getting 50% yields, I wonder if it's better for them to drive ATI into a price drop by pricing low, or to try and make as much money as they can by pricing high.

Look at nVidia in the past and guess which way they'll go.
 

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Well, I tried, but it seemed to be an equal split between 'price high' and 'screw ATI'.
 

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Holy ***** nvidia must be loosing a but-load of cash on fermi. They are releasing it to maintain market share and are going to take the financial hit. If fermi performed a whole lot better than the radeons, it would be being priced much higher... I cant wait for some actual benches to come out though...

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the 26th of never.

I think you're wrong. It's in 4 days.

Well. Bad news for Nvidia, but not it's fault. They should move to GlobalFoundaries...
 

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Well. Bad news for Nvidia, but not it's fault. They should move to GlobalFoundaries...

How is it not NVIDIA's fault for making respin and design decisions?

You also don't just change fabs. Moving to GF would have massively increased risks. NVIDIA has been on TSMC for years so they know the process, limits, and engineers. Getting that type of knowledge/relationship would take probably another 6 months to a year.
 

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How is it not NVIDIA's fault for making respin and design decisions?

You also don't just change fabs. Moving to GF would have massively increased risks.
I mean, a great part of the correct yield percentage depends on the manufacturer.

Also, well, I know it's not easy to change a manufacturing place. Microchips aren't that simple.
 

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I mean, a great part of the correct yield percentage depends on the manufacturer.
Of course, TSMC admitted that their 40nm process wasn't resulting in great yields. However, AMD/ATI had enough experience with it to know the issues and design around them.
 

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Of course, TSMC admitted that their 40nm process wasn't resulting in great yields. However, AMD/ATI had enough experience with it to know the issues and design around them.
nVidia's yet to realize that large dies are just not the way to go. That's half the problem.
ATi can produce more chips per wafer than nVidia can.
So even if 50% yields are the same on ATi's side, they still have more GPU's to sell at the end of the day.

That's where nVidia's fault lies.
 

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Your happy self, I see. This from the person that has been saying Awww not until June or July if ever.
I'll Pm you a copy of my receipt A week from today


Batmobile will have a flat tire on Fri night. Wood screws I'm sure.

I tried to get tickets for pax. No way. Have fun, be lucky and win some thing cool.
Technically, 6 months late, still not number 1
 

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So even if 50% yields are the same on ATi's side, they still have more GPU's to sell at the end of the day.
This depends... the error distribution is known not to be uniform and how much redundency is designed into the chip.
 
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