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The original Surface RT didn't sell as well as Microsoft had hoped, but rumors have been swirling that a follow-up effort would be released soon. It's expected to bring a modest spec bump, and that may include an Nvidia Tegra 4 processor.
Microsoft hasn't confirmed that yet, but Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang apparently can't contain his excitement. In an interview with CNET, the boisterous boss revealed that Nvidia is "working really hard" on the new tablet and hopes "that it's going to be a big success."
There are also concerns about the Tegra 4 when it comes to a device's battery life, and that's something Microsoft no doubt wants to further optimize in the second-gen Surface. It stands to reason that part of what Huang and Nvidia are "working really hard" on is making sure that the Tegra 4 is perfectly tuned for use with Windows RT.
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Despite the Surface RT's miserable performance, and almost every other tablet maker jumping ship to Qualcomm, it appears that the Surface RT 2 - due out in October alongside Windows 8.1 - will still be powered by Nvidia's Tegra SoC. With Intel's Bay Trail due to hit the market at around the same time, and potentially offering more performance than the ARM-based Tegra 4, does the second-generation Surface RT really stand a chance?
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Microsoft have a steep hill to climb. Let's see how this shapes up.

Wonder what the surface pro 2 will pack.
 

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Perhaps they'll release a new Zune Q1 next year.
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They lost almost a billion dollars on the first one. Why bother with a second?
Maybe they had an extra $2billion?
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Not everyone succeeds on the first try, especially since it's not the first of its kind product on the market...
 

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So they can lose another billion?

Heck, just look at how much Microsoft has lost on XBox alone, and they are coming out with the THIRD version.

Report: Microsoft's Xbox division has lost nearly $3 billion in 10 years
Just because they lost on hardware, doesn't mean they didn't make money. Search how much they made on software for xbox. I'm sure it yielded them a profit over 3 billion.
 

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They lost almost a billion dollars on the first one. Why bother with a second?
Because... why bother improving a product?

I know I want the Surface Pro but not at it's current state or price. I'd like to see an improved 2nd Gen version.
 

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Microsoft doesn't get it.

Apple = Has Culture that certain people resonate with, hence loyal customers through thick and thin & Cool.
Harley Davidson = Has Culture that certain people resonate with, hence loyal customers through thick and thin & Cool.
Vera Wang ...same
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Microsoft = No culture, however I need their O/S to do something that I want to do, (Gaming / Unity3D / Cinema4D) also note: "O/S - get outta my way."

If I believed in touching the stock market I'd go short on M$ if their only product was this RT2...doomed to additional failure.
 

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Microsoft doesn't get it.

Apple = Has Culture that certain people resonate with, hence loyal customers through thick and thin & Cool.
Harley Davidson = Has Culture that certain people resonate with, hence loyal customers through thick and thin & Cool.
Vera Wang ...same
Starbucks...same
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Microsoft = No culture, however I need their O/S to do something that I want to do, (Gaming / Unity3D / Cinema4D) also note: "O/S - get outta my way."
I couldn't agree more.
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Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Insanity: Doing the same ** thing over and over again, expecting *** to change.
 

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Because... why bother improving a product?

I know I want the Surface Pro but not at it's current state or price. I'd like to see an improved 2nd Gen version.
As long as Tablets like the Acer Iconia series are out there Microsoft will never win. My old Acrer W500 with Win8 on it runs perfectly!
 

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Just because they lost on hardware, doesn't mean they didn't make money. Search how much they made on software for xbox. I'm sure it yielded them a profit over 3 billion.
Those numbers are in the entire entertainment division for MS. Technically speaking they also include some projects unrelated to Xbox, but they most certainly include software sales. They took a huge loss on the original Xbox, mainly to set up the 360's success. It's still not quite broken even though.
 

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το δις εξαμαρτείν ουκ ανδρός σοφού -> the wise man does not make the same mistake twice
 

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Someone needs to shoot ballmer(joking sort of) in the head so we can have microsoft back to the ultra competitive giant that steals or buys other companies ideas (kind of like apple is now).

You know the Microsoft that everyone used to love to hate because they were a market dominating force? ... RT was a failure.. across the board. No one wants it. OEMs are dropping already and NO JUST NO Microsoft. Stick with x86 and go out and do your thing!
 

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The hardware is not the problem with the Surface. The problem is the closed platform, walled garden that Microsoft is trying to create.

Microsoft, you are not Apple. Apple has that market sewn up. Anyone who wants walled garden is going to get an idevice. The rest of us are going to get an Android, either because it is open or because it is cheap.

That leaves you no room to compete. If Microsoft wants uptake they need to open up the platform. They can still maintain an app store, approve apps on it, take a cut, etc., but they need to allow side loading.
 
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The "mistake" here isn't the choice of processor,

Its the continued support of windows RT. Adoption is just not there and convergence of Tablet form factor and powerful hardware happened too quickly to justify this 4th platform for microsoft (WP8, W8, WRT, Xbox)

But the cost of the second device failing won't be nearly as much as the first product. They had to start from scratch before, but now they have a template
 

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RT would have been good if developers actually made applications for it. It might have caught on if people had confidence in Microsoft's ability to spur development in a new platform.

Microsoft would have made a lot more if they just stuck with Win8 for their tablet lines so people could use their Win32 applications and games. You can actually play games on a surface pro if you have a keyboard and mouse. If the surface pro was around the price of the iPad, I think it would have sold quite a bit. Right now you can't really justify the price however.
 
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