Valve has a point, but then again, the other people aren't competing all too well...
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D2D can QQ all they want. What makes it sad though is calling Steam a trojan. That's where they lose credibility on the subject.
Those of you who remember back when Steam was launched with Half-Life, remember Valve took a LOT of heat for releasing Steam, and everyone whined or complained or outright laughed. They put a lot of money into it and they deserve the success they've achieved. Furthermore, if MW2 is using VAC and Valve is providing them with tech, then D2D has no legs to stand on.
All D2D is doing is hurting themselves. Come out with a competitive product to Steam or QQ more. When Valve starts trying to block other digital distributors from selling games, thats when we can have a legit anti-competitive conversation.
Originally Posted by MAD_J  Ah I get it, D2D and other etailers/online game stores don't want to sell it because it installs another "store" on the users computer. That makes me think of steam integration in a whole different way... Games should not be tied into steam like MW2 is, I understand VAC and steam friends etc, but you shouldn't have to use/install steam to play any game that you bought off another etailer such as D2D... Thats just weird and anti competitive. |
D2D can QQ all they want. What makes it sad though is calling Steam a trojan. That's where they lose credibility on the subject.
Those of you who remember back when Steam was launched with Half-Life, remember Valve took a LOT of heat for releasing Steam, and everyone whined or complained or outright laughed. They put a lot of money into it and they deserve the success they've achieved. Furthermore, if MW2 is using VAC and Valve is providing them with tech, then D2D has no legs to stand on.
All D2D is doing is hurting themselves. Come out with a competitive product to Steam or QQ more. When Valve starts trying to block other digital distributors from selling games, thats when we can have a legit anti-competitive conversation.
So basically "Rivals miss out by not giving us money" says Valve.
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This is clearly leading straight to that, it's best to stop it BEFORE it hurts other places with anti-competitive practices.
Originally Posted by FuNkDrSpOt D2D can QQ all they want. What makes it sad though is calling Steam a trojan. That's where they lose credibility on the subject. Those of you who remember back when Steam was launched with Half-Life, remember Valve took a LOT of heat for releasing Steam, and everyone whined or complained or outright laughed. They put a lot of money into it and they deserve the success they've achieved. Furthermore, if MW2 is using VAC and Valve is providing them with tech, then D2D has no legs to stand on. All D2D is doing is hurting themselves. Come out with a competitive product to Steam or QQ more. When Valve starts trying to block other digital distributors from selling games, thats when we can have a legit anti-competitive conversation. |
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Steamworks is free for any developer to use.
Originally Posted by GBob314 So basically "Rivals miss out by not giving us money" says Valve.
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I have never been able to get steam into offline mode no matter how hard I try.
Originally Posted by NoDestiny Steam works great when its connected to the internet. Nearly every time I try and use "offline mode" (usually when I take my computer elsewhere that the internet isn't available... yeah, those places do exist!) I almost always run into problems. Last time it was trying to LAN Borderlands and it kept trying to come up to an update, but would never allow any other options. I had to take my beast of a tower round town, finding somewhere to connect it real fast to force it into offline mode. This, as a consumer, is my only real gripe. I often think I shouldn't become too reliant on steam and really wouldn't want ALL games sold on there, especially when it points to steam regardless to how you buy it. Just my thoughts on the matter. |
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Are you high?! How does valve get any money if D2D sells a copy? That's why rivals miss out. If IW had an exclusive deal with Best Buy, you can bet that Target would still carry the game.
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I think you're exaggerating a bit. Can you tell us what Valve has done that clearly shows they're going to start doing shady stuff? Should we just arbitrarily start nerfing ALL companies who are successful, regardless of their ethics? I think what you're asking for is far too pre-emptive.
Part of what you might be concerned about is them establishing some type of bulletproof monopoloy, but in their market that is virtually impossible. If they *did* start going the shady route, they could simply be replaced. All someone needs to do is provide a system with the same features and ease of use. Digital Distribution is about a fluid sector as it gets because there's little startup cost (like inventory or buildings or signs or leasing).
The only thing I seem to be getting from Valve's competitors is "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Valve has a superior product and a large portion of the marketshare! Please someone handicap them so we can catch up!!!" The fact is that Valve is successful with steam because it's easy to use, fun and has great deals on games that most people wouldn't even know existed otherwise. To my knowledge, they've just built a better system and they're not hiding behind patents or doing underhanded tricks.
IMO, Valve getting MW2 is a whole lot less of an issue than most exclusive games that only go to one console.
Originally Posted by GBob314 So basically "Rivals miss out by not giving us money" says Valve.
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Originally Posted by Crazy9000 This is clearly leading straight to that, it's best to stop it BEFORE it hurts other places with anti-competitive practices. |
Part of what you might be concerned about is them establishing some type of bulletproof monopoloy, but in their market that is virtually impossible. If they *did* start going the shady route, they could simply be replaced. All someone needs to do is provide a system with the same features and ease of use. Digital Distribution is about a fluid sector as it gets because there's little startup cost (like inventory or buildings or signs or leasing).
The only thing I seem to be getting from Valve's competitors is "WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Valve has a superior product and a large portion of the marketshare! Please someone handicap them so we can catch up!!!" The fact is that Valve is successful with steam because it's easy to use, fun and has great deals on games that most people wouldn't even know existed otherwise. To my knowledge, they've just built a better system and they're not hiding behind patents or doing underhanded tricks.
IMO, Valve getting MW2 is a whole lot less of an issue than most exclusive games that only go to one console.
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Here's how to do steam offline, launch all the games you wanna play online, then unplug your internet, shut down steam properly, shut down your computer, works 100% for me.
Originally Posted by NoDestiny Steam works great when its connected to the internet. Nearly every time I try and use "offline mode" (usually when I take my computer elsewhere that the internet isn't available... yeah, those places do exist!) I almost always run into problems. Last time it was trying to LAN Borderlands and it kept trying to come up to an update, but would never allow any other options. I had to take my beast of a tower round town, finding somewhere to connect it real fast to force it into offline mode. This, as a consumer, is my only real gripe. I often think I shouldn't become too reliant on steam and really wouldn't want ALL games sold on there, especially when it points to steam regardless to how you buy it. Just my thoughts on the matter. |
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I think calling it a trojan horse is kinda true. BTW this is not in the context of a trojan virus etc. They mean trojan horse as in the battle of troy. If D2D was selling MW2, all their customers who bought it would have steam installed kinda like sneaking steam onto the computers of D2D customers, though im sure most of them already use it.
BTW I use steam and love it but I can see why D2D is pissed.
Originally Posted by FuNkDrSpOt D2D can QQ all they want. What makes it sad though is calling Steam a trojan. That's where they lose credibility on the subject. Those of you who remember back when Steam was launched with Half-Life, remember Valve took a LOT of heat for releasing Steam, and everyone whined or complained or outright laughed. They put a lot of money into it and they deserve the success they've achieved. Furthermore, if MW2 is using VAC and Valve is providing them with tech, then D2D has no legs to stand on. All D2D is doing is hurting themselves. Come out with a competitive product to Steam or QQ more. When Valve starts trying to block other digital distributors from selling games, thats when we can have a legit anti-competitive conversation. |
BTW I use steam and love it but I can see why D2D is pissed.
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