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What is the difference between the SB with the ICH8 and the ICH8R chipset?? I was looking at the DS3, but I will go with the DQ6 if the ICH8R is a lot better southbridge for RAID. I've heard the ICH8R has it's advantages with the something with RAID, but I don't know what.
 

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The difference is indeed RAID. RAID is 'Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks', or 'Redundant Array of Independent Disks'.<br />
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The DQ6 supports RAID on the soutbridge (hence the R). RAID simply means that you can use multiple hard drives either to improve performance (RAID0), to increase data security (RAID1), or both (RAID5, RAID10, and RAID0+1). Two or more hard drives act together. In the case of RAID0, data is written to and read from two hard drives at the same time, which makes these processes a lot faster. In case of RAID1, all data on the first disk is copied to a second disk, so you always have an automatic back up. RAID10 and RAID0+1 are combinations of RAID0 and RAID1, and require at least four hard drives. RAID5 works differently to improve performance and data security, but I don't recommend it for a onboard controller since write performance will be pathetic (requires at least three disks).<br />
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The DS3 does NOT support RAID on the southbridge, but DOES have a secondary controller over the PCI bus which supports RAID0, RAID1, and JBOD with a limit of two disks (JBOD is 'Just a Bunch Of Disks'; two disks act as one larger drive, without performance increase).<br />
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If you really want advanced RAID, then the DQ6 is your choice. RAID over the southbridge is generally better than over the PCI bus.<br />
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HOWEVER! If you consider the DQ6, you should also look at the ASUS P5B Deluxe, which is the better overall motherboard.<br />
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If you just want excellent overclocking performance, and just run a single drive, or maybe a basic RAID, then the DS3 will do just fine.<br />
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PS: also look at the ASUS P5B-E, which is not too much more expensive than the DS3 and does boast the ICH8R southbridge.<br />
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Ok.. this post got a bit long.... I wonder if it would have been faster to look up a FAQ about RAID... LOL <img src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Stick Out Tongue" class="inlineimg" />
 

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Transonic has the DS3 and has got it up to 400mhz FSB with some problems. It seems to restart over and over again with every bios change. It is kind of anoying to me. Maybe a bios flash will fix this. As for performance I dont remember but I think he hit a 14sec super pi @3.2ghz. He is still in the tweaking process so dont call that his max <img src="/images/smilies/cool.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Cool" class="inlineimg" />
 

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Here is another 3.22GHz with the DS3 and an E6300:<br />
<a href="http://www.overclock.net/1288960-post115.html" target="_blank">http://www.overclock.net/1288960-post115.html</a><br />
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Not sure what the superpi times were <img src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Stick Out Tongue" class="inlineimg" />
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">The difference is indeed RAID. RAID is 'Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks', or 'Redundant Array of Independent Disks'.<br />
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The DQ6 supports RAID on the soutbridge (hence the R). RAID simply means that you can use multiple hard drives either to improve performance (RAID0), to increase data security (RAID1), or both (RAID5, RAID10, and RAID0+1). Two or more hard drives act together. In the case of RAID0, data is written to and read from two hard drives at the same time, which makes these processes a lot faster. In case of RAID1, all data on the first disk is copied to a second disk, so you always have an automatic back up. RAID10 and RAID0+1 are combinations of RAID0 and RAID1, and require at least four hard drives. RAID5 works differently to improve performance and data security, but I don't recommend it for a onboard controller since write performance will be pathetic (requires at least three disks).<br />
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The DS3 does NOT support RAID on the southbridge, but DOES have a secondary controller over the PCI bus which supports RAID0, RAID1, and JBOD with a limit of two disks (JBOD is 'Just a Bunch Of Disks'; two disks act as one larger drive, without performance increase).<br />
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If you really want advanced RAID, then the DQ6 is your choice. RAID over the southbridge is generally better than over the PCI bus.<br />
<br />
HOWEVER! If you consider the DQ6, you should also look at the ASUS P5B Deluxe, which is the better overall motherboard.<br />
<br />
If you just want excellent overclocking performance, and just run a single drive, or maybe a basic RAID, then the DS3 will do just fine.<br />
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PS: also look at the ASUS P5B-E, which is not too much more expensive than the DS3 and does boast the ICH8R southbridge.<br />
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Ok.. this post got a bit long.... I wonder if it would have been faster to look up a FAQ about RAID... LOL <img src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Stick Out Tongue" class="inlineimg" /></div>

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</div>Well I only plan on using two drives, but is the P5B-E any better preformace wise?? I've heard that it isn't very good compared to it's older brother (P5B Deluxe). Everyone has been telling me not to get the "vanilla" P5B and i don't exactly know which one that is.
 

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The 'vanilla' P5B is the... P5B.<br><br>
I actually don't know too much about the performance of the P5B-E (which is prices right between the DS3 and the P5B Deluxe). I am assuming it's a 'vanilla' P5B with the ICH8R southbridge...<br><br>
For two disk RAID, the DS3 should do just fine (over the PCI bus though)
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">The 'vanilla' P5B is the... P5B.<br />
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I actually don't know too much about the performance of the P5B-E (which is prices right between the DS3 and the P5B Deluxe). I am assuming it's a 'vanilla' P5B with the ICH8R southbridge... <br />
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For two disk RAID, the DS3 should do just fine (over the PCI bus though)</div>

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</div>Is their any massive gain with it going over the PCI bus??
 

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There is a bit of a loss by having RAID over the PCI bus instead of over the Southbridge. I don't think it's a whole lot though. RAID with a DQ6 or P5B Deluxe will perform slightly better (ICH8R southbridge), while on the DS3, it'll be a bit worse.
 

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Yes, the ICH8-R is much better than any legacy RAID controller due to all of the extra bandwidth afforded by Serial PCI-E connections compared to aging PCI or PCI-X buses.
 
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