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yeah i read really bad things. Like on the Asus Rog Phone. Failed screen wont get repaiered under Warrenty and so on...

Aorus big Pro for me is:
Real Heatsink for VRM
2 USB3.0 header for my case

And i can bet, that the master will be cheaper than the Hero(Asus tax)

The Master has a Direct PWM setup, the Hero is using 7 phases with doubled up powerstages. If you aren't using LN2 (nobody does for a daily system, let's be realistic), provided the BIOS isn't completely buggy (it shouldn't be), then the 12-14 phases from the Infineon PWM on Gigabyte's Aorus Master or Xtreme will give you better ripple and allow you to shut off phases more granularity when not in use (i.e. achieving peak efficiency across the power delivery spectrum all the way down to idle).



Additionally the backplate on the Master is thermally conductive to the VRM section, whereas all you get on the Hero is a small brace at the back.


50A IR3556 has the same footprint as the 60A IR3555 so the main difference is maximum amperage rating. Even threadripper TR 2950X used around max 350W on ambient , so power quality is of more importance once you exceed 10 powerstages.

Also if you fail overclocks on memory the Aorus boards down to the Aorus Pro have dual BIOS, with Master/Xtreme having a switch. The single BIOS (SB) switch is invaluable since it physically isolates the BIOS chips. If you get hit with malware (https://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-implements-new-certificate-structure,39072.html , https://www.techpowerup.com/248827/...-push-software-into-your-windows-installation) or a flash a corrupt BIOS you don't need to RMA your board. I don't think that has been stated enough, since a corrupt BIOs on a non dual BIOS board has to still rely on flashing from USB. There were plenty of people that needed to RMA their Crosshair boards because the "Crashfree BIOS" or "BIOS flashback" doesn't work.

In terms of usability the M.2 heatshields being separate also makes it less of a hassle and the Hero only comes with 2x M.2.

In terms of integrated audio the Master is also stronger spec-wise, it uses ESS 9118 instead of ESS 9023P , has WIMA caps, and the audio codec is ALC1220-VB rather than ALC1220.

Every Master board comes with WIFI 6 +BT whereas the Hero has it as an option.

 

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Launch day reviews
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Aorus Xtreme
https://hk.xfastest.com/31225/gigabyte-x570-aorus-xtreme-xf-3900x-vs-9900k/
https://www.coolaler.com/threads/gigabyte-x570-aorus-xtreme.356012/
https://www.eteknix.com/gigabyte-x570-aorus-xtreme-motherboard-review/ --- may not be up yet?
https://en.ocworkbench.com/review-o...x-ryzen-7-3700x-and-ryzen-5-3600x-processors/
http://pcdiy.com.tw/detail/13398
https://benchlife.info/gigabyte-x570-aorus-xtreme-with-amd-ryzen-9-3900x-review/

ocworkbench BIOS overview :

Spoiler

Xtreme testing results

Aorus Master
https://www.eteknix.com/gigabyte-x570-aorus-master-motherboard-review/
https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/gigabyte_x570_aorus_master_review/23

Spoiler

The Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master lives up to its name as well as the effort that Gigabyte have put into their new power phase arrangement by pushing the Ryzen 9 3900X to 4.35 GHz on all twelve cores. Given that 4 GHz was pretty impressive not that long ago, and the Threadripper CPUs struggled to overclock too far, it shows what a boon the 7nm process can be for AMD with high core counts. We have achieved 4.4ghz on other boards so it will be interesting to see how this may affect performance and how it places in the graphs.

https://www.profesionalreview.com/2019/07/07/x570-aorus-master-review/ --- 36°C VRM at stock Prime95 with R7 3700X , not surprised
https://news.xfastest.com/review/review-03/66825/gigabyte-x570-aorus-master/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antony...d-ryzen-owners-look-away-now/#33df4fcfd549--- used as the test board
https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/luke-hill/amd-ryzen-9-3900x-ryzen-7-3700x-zen-2-cpu-review/3/ --- Test board

Overclocking with 1.4V pushed the Ryzen 9 3900X very close to the throttling point with our Corsair H100X AIO. 4250MHz was the highest stable frequency that we could manage. 4300MHz was bootable and held Windows stability, however, Cinebench and Blender tests would throw up unusual errors.



Our manual overclocking (R7 3700x) experience was practically identical to that of the 3900X, though this time we were less thermally limited. 1.4V delivered 4.3GHz with the same unusual behaviour, while 4.25GHz allowed for complete stability. We managed to decrease the voltage further while maintaining stability.

https://www.bit-tech.net/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-review/7/ --- used as test board to hit 4.3GHz

We did manage to squeeze some PBO testing in, though, which increased the all-core boost from 4GHz out of the box to 4.125GHz using PBO and 4.15GHz by dialling a 200MHz uplift to the Automatic Overclocking feature - still lower than our manual overclock of 4.3GHz, but all while keeping the slightly higher maximum boost frequency. We didn't really see any activity beyond the latter (4.4GHz), though admittedly we didn't tweak any power limits, so gamers would likely want to stick to stock speed or make use of PBO and Automatic Overclocking, while content creators should consider dialling in a manual overclock.

https://tweakers.net/reviews/7192/1...l-van-de-troon-ipc-en-opgenomen-vermogen.html --- X570 Master test board pushed R9 3900X to 4.4GHz all cores

https://diit.cz/clanek/recenze-amd-ryzen-9-3900x-dvanact-jader-vstupuje-do-mainstreamu --- used in review

https://thinkcomputers.org/gigabyte-x570-aorus-master-motherboard-review/

https://techgage.com/article/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-ryzen-9-3900x-workstation-performance/2/ --- used for testing
https://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/topic/feature/1194631.html --- used for testing




Videos

Spoiler

BIOS overview

Spoiler

Aorus Pro
https://www.eteknix.com/gigabyte-x570-aorus-pro-motherboard-review/6/ --- "Even managing to score the second highest score in PCMark 10"
https://www.techtesters.eu/gigabyte-x570-aorus-pro-review/


Aorus ITX : https://www.eteknix.com/gigabyte-x570-i-aorus-pro-wifi-motherboard-review/ --- "It also set our highest score ever in PCMark 10, and our 3rd fastest (fastest for X570) score in WPrime!"
https://www.coolaler.com/threads/ry...570-i-aorus-pro-wifi-3600_2600x_9600k.356016/

 

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Checking in with an R9 3900X and an X570 Aorus Ultra. I wish I had just splurged for the Master, I feel like that's the board to get with these chips... but it's all installed in my case already and it would be a huge hassle to go back to Microcenter and swap it out.

Ah well! Now to wait for Manjaro to work properly!

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ryzen-3K-RdRand-Systemd-Maybe


Ubuntu LTS is the distro to use with Ryzen 3rd gen atm. It's not a kernel issue, something to do with RdRand and systemd.

 

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Ugh, I read that. I replaced my Ubuntu install with Manjaro like 3 weeks ago, too! It's all good, I can wait. These days I hardly have any time for my computer / games anyway with the fam so I can wait a bit. I'll most likely get verification that Manjaro will work, then do a fresh install after backing up /home.

What OS are you running right now? Have you gotten Ryzen 3000 yet?

Fedora 30 (Spin XFCE instead of Gnome) + Ubuntu 18.04LTS with kernel 5.0 backport from 19.10 (for use with Wine , DXVK/D9VK) on XFCE desktop environment
& Windows 7 Pro SP1 on my R7 2700X system with Windows 7 chipset drivers
Bit of history

Spoiler

I started using Ubuntu around version 5 (Knoppix was a popular live distro at the time) and started looking for alternatives around 12 or so (when Amazon integration was introduced with Unity interface). At the time Linux Mint gained many users because of this. With the announcement of Ubuntu dropping 32-bit support Linux Mint Debian edition (LMDE) might have a resurgence.


I used Manjaro for a short time in a VM but then the install was borked beyond repair so probably not going to deal with that again. Additionally most commercial software comes in rpm (Fedora/CentOS/RHEL) or deb (Debian/Ubuntu/Linux Mint) packages. The Fedora flatpaks streamline updates quite a bit, while Ubuntu simply has greater support in general for consumer applications as much as people hate it (through snap since 16.04 or ppas). For example Navi (RX 5700XT) is getting official AMD drivers on Ubuntu LTS.

There's been a push to use .AppImage which essentially is standalone for all Linux distros.

I was going to get Ryzen 3rd gen but R9 3900X and R7 3700X sold out right after I finished reading reviews.

Windows doesn't show the true capability of Ryzen: there's large amounts of potential still yet to be discovered by reviewers that are using Windows 10. For example my R7 1700X @ 3.9 scores higher Geekbench 4 single thread than a R7 2700X with PBO in Windows or i5-8600.


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HR-55 (50 more HR than me). Nice. I have been looking for one of them. Should have order one before X570.

I kept them all. Guess I'm a collector. One HR-05 SLI on GA-P35-DS3L and the other on GA-P35-DS3R (will be donors, Elite and Master look fun).

Thermalright Coolers: SK7 (x2), AX7, XP-90, XP-120, Ultima-90, TRUE 120 original and a TRUE 120 rev.C 1366-RT (now on AM4), True Spirit and AXP-200R

Ultimately I think the most elegant solution is to cool the chipset from the back of the board , although most cases don't have a cutout there so likely a thermal pad with a full metal plate or simply a thermal pad to the case might be an option (assuming newer BIOS scale RPM based on temperature). The problem with HR-05 / HR-55 is that it may interfere with larger GPU coolers.

Update on fan -

I got a new test bios today. If everything checks out we will have 3 profiles and manual fan curve control. Manual control is new and why we have a new test BIOS. Also why I don't have a public beta yet. Once validated I'll have a beta bios for y'all to try.

(Very hasty test on my own system. Not scientific at all. Ymmv on rpm based on ambient Temps and load)

Silent - fan rpm 1600 idle / 1800 load.
Balance (default) - rpm 2000 idle / 2200 load.
Performance - rpm 2600 idle and load.

This is great news.

I think the largest issue at hand right now for the BIOS engineers is to get the fan RPM under greater user control. I believe MSI has a physical advantage here due to the fan placement further down along the board.

People using their boards for 8 cores aren't going to necessarily feel the minimal MHz single core boost that supposedly is going to come with BIOS updates across all vendors, but they will definitely hear the difference to 1600RPM and less.

I saw a czech review (diit.cz) that compared the Aorus Master and Taichi and they said the Taichi was running at an insane 6000RPM ! Aorus Master idled at 2000RPM per the reviewer ; I don't know who at Asrock OKed that.

 

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If it's anything like the Elite... not much, the entire top half is just a slab of metal.
https://imgur.com/a/keft9Gs

I just got done setting up, the chipset fan is blaring at 3800rpm while at 45°C, not good at all.

Eh that's the VRM heatsink not PCH.


If you're talking about the PCH heatsink it probably just needs more fin area

 

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I'll be receiving my Aorus Xtreme later today, though I won't be able to review it for a while since Best Buy is still screwing me over on getting my 3900X to me.

If you guys want to see anything specific, I will work on that once it's up and running!

Load power at the wall for multiple load points with all the RGB and extra features turned off would be interesting (100, 140W default, 180W-200 PBO OC) or if you have a current clamp, at the CPU's EPS connectors. It would show how well phase shedding works with the new Infineon PWM as there's very few reasons to use all 14x 70A Powerstages on ambient at the moment.

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https://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/gigabyte_x570_aorus_master_review,8.html

(X570 Master article is not up yet but see https://www.bit-tech.net/reviews/tech/motherboards/msi-prestige-x570-creation-review/7/)


That's what I've seen so far of the new PWM implementation


~95% peak efficiency on TDA21472 instead of ~93% on IR3556 should make Xtreme better a bit.

 

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Kind of offtopic so spoiler

Spoiler

Fedora ships with a newer kernel at the moment than Ubuntu/Mint/Debian. However you can backport the kernel to Ubuntu LTS.



Linux isn't a priority for any vendor right now, so you need to do your due diligence at the component level similar to people making Hackintosh PCs. For example, proprietary custom Realtek LAN or Killer LAN is something you want to avoid. You would also want to avoid overly complex USB hub situations and any PCIE splitting that involves a obscure PLX chip. Anything you need a special driver for in Windows is something that is a liability to break in Linux and the more bleeding edge it is the less likely it is to supported out of the box.

Having 2 SuperIO chips to provide added sensors and fan headers is sometimes problematic for monitoring , but there are workarounds for it since the two main companies are ITE and Nuvoton.

The dev groeck gave up supporting IT87 for Linux (see https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=IT87-Linux-Driver-Axing) but it's mirrored around the Internet such as here https://github.com/a1wong/it87 and https://github.com/rpavlik/it87

k10temp works regardless (the CPU temp).

By the way this is one reason to set fan curved in BIOs and to have good power delivery. Monitoring in Linux isn't always on point other than CPU+GPU temp.

(One of the nice things about the Aorus RGB is once you turn it off in BIOs it's off even in Linux (or if you make it a pattern or a static color it keeps that but I don't bother since it's extra glare if you put your PC atop a desk and extra power use). I haven't seen much in terms of people developing for the RGB SDK found here https://www.gigabyte.com/mb/rgb/sdk)

I don't think Fedora is technically suited for gaming, Ubuntu 18.04LTS is more suited for consumer-facing applications such as gaming. In fact Steam play apps usually recommend Ubuntu 18.04 LTS and Navi's AMD drivers officially support Ubuntu 18.04 LTS only. Typically when you see the pro variant pushed out (Radeon Pro / Quadro / EPYC / Threadripper / Ryzen Pro / Xeon) the product is truly out-of-the-box ready for the public and validated for stable use.



edit: also pay attention to IOMMU grouping if you are using GPU passthrough. Level1techs usually covers this well : https://level1techs.com/article/ryzen-3000-radeon-5700-xt-ready-linux


More on topic :

the X570 Master ICs
Intel 1G LAN
Realtek ALC1220-VB for audio , ESS ES9018K2M DAC
P13EQX ReDriver for USB 3.1 gen 2
Realtek RTS5441 for USB 3.1 gen 2 type C
P13EQX16 ReDriver for PCIE 4.0
IDT6V4 for BCLK modification
IT8688E SuperIO (also used on Z390 Aorus Master)
IT8795E SuperIO (Same as X399 Gaming 7 , X299 Gaming 7)

https://news.xfastest.com/review/review-03/66825/gigabyte-x570-aorus-master/

 

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I had thought about creating an Aorus Xtreme thread yesterday morning at work lol. I'll work on it today.

I got my Aorus Xtreme yesterday so I busted out the lightbox and went to work.

Here are some shots so far. So bummed I don't have my 3900X yet..

(picture removed)

Absolutely love this board. There's definitely a conversation to be had about how much they're asking for this thing. But based on many reviewers with the most experience so far with this new platform, they have all claimed that the better the board, the better experience you'll have dealing with Ryzen 3000. Plus Buildzoid gave this board the title of "best X570 board". Can't wait to dive into this thing and get to tweaking.

It IS the best X570 board and an impressive engineering feat at the same time when you consider time to market (March 2019 the PWM was announced publicly, board launched July so time to market < 4 months including development testing + validation time). Look at the ASUS and MSI flagships. What do they give you? More of the same stuff as the other boards without the new PWM or the fan-less thermal solution.

Sure it's expensive but if you want the best flagship board there really isn't a contest IMO and right now everyone buying is paying early adopter tax.

* The ROG Formula is an overpriced Hero with an OLED and VRM block on it which is pointless on ambient especially when they have a radial fan in their chipset heatsink. For a $700 flagship they put a 5G LAN instead of 10G LAN. Also it doesn't have 3x M.2 slots (one of the main purposes of PCIE 4.0) when boards half the price have it such as the MSI X570 Ace, Aorus Ultra, and Asrock X570 Taichi. Power delivery-wise if you buy a Formula you're gambling that ASUS magically made their 7 phases "twin" able to compete with a 14 phase PWM and higher specced powerstages in terms of maximum efficiency. It's not physically possible and the new PWM waveform is most likely half the pulse width of the one on ROG Formula. Even if you WERE looking at the Formula I really can't see a reason why a ROG fanboy would buy this over a Hero and a full cover monoblock. For $300 you can definitely get yourself a 10G LAN + waterblock.

* The MSI Godlike has way fewer USB ports than it should have even if it is the same VRM powerstages and it doesn't have the new PWM so 14 phases vs 14 phases from 7 phases doubled is no contest when you look at that. Also unless you plan on using the gimmicky wifi extender or OLED display you're basically paying for a PCIE NvMe daughterboard and an external 10G LAN solution which is way less tidy than the X570 Creation in their own lineup at $500. The fact that you will have 2 PCIE cards consuming your PCIE slots if you buy Godlike makes the Creation a better board within MSI's lineup. As far as I am aware the Godlike doesn't come with a thermal backplate. MSI probably isn't running a 240mm AIO promo out of charity, it's probably to avoid looking bad by early price drop or massive rebates.

* The Asrock Aqua only has 999 for sale and costs $999 so it's not really a contender : the power delivery is way cheaper. Basically you're paying $500 extra within Asrock's lineup for exclusivity and a chipset waterblock when you can buy their Creator board if & when that comes out which will also have Thunderbolt + 10G LAN.

To top it off the sheer amount of metal on the Xtreme (even IO shield) should convince people it's worth it over the ROG Formula / MSI Godlike. All of that stuff needs tooling and assembly. It's a board that covers nearly everything in metal. For something as niche as RGB : there's an RGB commander in the box too.

If you look at the TAM (total addressable market) , the Aorus team achieved something really great with Aorus Xtreme. Look at how many people will use their boards for LN2 on regular basis: maybe 0.1% if generous? How many people that are creators (video/audio/design/engineering) using 12-16 core Ryzens will want a completely fanless solution with 3x M.2 that won't be using open loop water? Probably at least 33% if they can afford it or pull it out of company expenses (Aorus Xtreme production lines would likely ramp up before the September R9 3950X launch). Noctua NH-U14S TR4 and Coolermaster Wraithripper are sold for TR4 after all and that's not even including closed loop coolers. I bet if the Aorus Xtreme starts to slow down in sales , the Aorus marketing planners can have a bundle with the 8TB Aorus PCIE 4.0 NvMe drive (or the 2TB PCIE 4.0 with copper heatsink if they can figure out how to fit it on the existing heatsinks) for slight cost reduction: that's not something any other vendor can do right now (since other than Corsair nobody else really makes PCIE 4.0 speed SSDs currently). In actuality the PCIE 4.0 NvMe drive is using a 28nm Phison E16 controller which is why heat remains a concern (9W of heat) until the next generation uses the E19 on 12nm. Due to use of Toshiba's BiCS4-TLC , endurance and sustained write has yet to be seen: that is the main appeal of a 970 Pro over 970 Evo.

I'm honestly surprised there hasn't been more press coverage on the Xtreme, probably it wasn't a sampled board and stock levels are extremely scarce. I also expect once the Infineon PWM proves its superiority it will trickle down to upper midrange $260-300 boards in the future chipsets as production costs drop, This is especially true when you consider the Aorus Master is $360.

 

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MSI uses 4 layer even on their $260 Pro Carbon so it's not a big deal unless you're going for memory records or something.


Main changes from Aorus Pro are:
* 6 layer PCB on Aorus Pro
* Dual BIOS chips on Aorus Pro
* ALC1200 audio codec vs ALC1220 on the Pro, with WIMA caps retained miraculously
* Better VRM heatsink with heatpipe and fin stack ---> heatpiped heatsinks cost money
* IR PWM + IR powerstages ---> IR powerstages cost about 2x -3x so that's most of the cost savings
* USB-C 3.1 gen 2 at rear (if you have a USB-A to USB-C cable then maybe you don't care about this) ... USB-C 3.1 gen2 front panel connector is retained if you need it
* SuperIO chip has to support the extra fan headers
* two EC temp headers (temperature sensor that can be remotely mounted off the board)
* PCIE metal bracing on 2nd PCIE slot
* extra M.2 heatsink
* Generally useless added 4 pin CPU power connector


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Also a video of older F5e Aorus Master BIOS from Korea:

 

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In case anyone was wondering, the PCIE 4.0 Aorus NvME drive does fit on the ITx board with the chipset fan heatsink

 

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What kind of aftermarket heatsinks work on AM4? I have an old Megahalems that I'm still using on my X58 rig, will that work?

Some of the top $50-60ish picks are the 6 heatpipe coolers such as Scythe Mugen 5 rev B , Thermalright ARO-M14G (aka Thermalright Macho) , and Noctua NH-U14S (built after 2019).

I don't know if Megahelems has a bracket for AM4 , I doubt it. Thermalright and Scythe did release brackets.

For older scythe coolers: http://www.scythe-eu.com/no_cache/e...tibility-and-announces-am4-mounting-kits.html

http://thermalright.com/2017/02/21/thermalright-amd-am4-cpu-mount-upgrade/
"coolers manufactured after January 1, 2017 come with upgraded AM4 mounting kits."



https://noctua.at/en/noctua-cpu-coolers-now-include-am4-mounting-at-no-extra-cost
"Noctua today announced that all of its current multi-socket desktop CPU coolers, such as the popular NH-D15, NH-U14S and NH-U12S, now also include installation hardware for the AM4 socket of AMD’s Ryzen processors. Although Noctua introduced its dedicated SE-AM4 models in early 2017 and has provided free-of-charge upgrade kits ever since the launch of the AM4 platform, the updates of the existing multi-socket models now allow customers to install them on all current mainstream sockets without ordering extra mounting kits. As suggested retail prices remain unchanged, the updates come at no extra cost to the customers."

 

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Gigabyte X570 AORUS Pro Wi-Fi Review
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/gigabyte-x570-aorus-pro-wifi/15.html


RightMark Audio Analyzer (Aorus Pro/Ultra use ALC1220-VB while Aorus Elite uses the ALC1200).

I haven't seen any reviews on the Aorus Elite yet.

The rumor mill site wccftech reviewed it as well and had the same note about missing post code / debug LED:
https://wccftech.com/review/amd-ryz...pu-review-x570-aorus-pro-wifi-motherboard/11/


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Also for the PCH , the Aorus Master heatsink seems fine and on par with MSI Ace


https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gigabyte-x570-aorus-master-atx-motherboard,6227-3.html
Tom's hardware has an unusual con: Steel back cover adds a pound of unused heft


Apparently they didn't notice it cools the power delivery.

 

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In case anyone wants to mod the Aorus ITX:

Everflow R123510BM fan ---> 12V 35mm size (it's actually 30mm though), 10mm thickness , 2 ball bearing, medium speed 7500RPM ... 31dBA at 1 meter
https://www.everflowtech.com/upload/files/2019產品目錄.pdf


Also: VRM runs 50°C with the R9 3900X per Optimum tech so it's good enough for 12 cores as expected.


See also https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/amd-x570-itx-motherboards.10310/page-11

 

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http://www.ddworld.cz/pc-a-komponen...tx-deska-i-pro-vykonny-amd-ryzen-9-cpu-4.html


4.4Ghz 12 core on the ITX board

 

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https://www.techbang.com/posts/7179...ith-gigabyte-x570-chipset-board-how-to-choose

Ryzen Master limits

Japanese tester with Aorus ITX
http://blog.livedoor.jp/wisteriear/archives/1075198423.html
Ryzen 9 3900X 4.0-4.1GHz with AVX (aviutl)

 

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lol.

https://i.imgur.com/VsrC45y.png

https://i.imgur.com/26hV5i9.png

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2SzF3IiMaE

You want to reach the advertised clocks? Buy a 700$ board.

Other than the odd MSI Creation result it isn't that bad.


Keep in mind 4455 MHz is basically equivalent to 99MHz BCLK instead of 100MHz.


Also if people want to buy the Aorus Elite that seems to have went out of stock Newegg is carrying Aorus Elite WIFI now for $10 more and Amazon is supposed to get them August 29th

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145165
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WL5MFXL/

 

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Do you know why it seems to be a problem on the "cheaper boards" this generation?
Every time I am on default settings, I never see 100 MHz any time.
It is always 99.8 MHz.
Since I can only change the clock in 1 steps instead of 0.1 I am running my setup with 101 MHz but it takes a longer time to boot doing so. (I guess the increased clock of the RAM forces a new memory training every time.)

It could just be lack of an external BCLK chip. That's usually omitted on lower end boards. I'd expect the X570 Aorus Master to have it and for the other vendors probably X570 ROG Hero , Asrock Taichi, and MSI Ace. The STRIX line in ASUS doesn't even have VRM temperature sensors on the boards under the STRIX name ...


Keep in mind Ryzen polls every 1 ms (1000 times a second).

 

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Can you expand on your reasoning here, I just bought a new auros master 3600 and a 2080ti. From what ive gathered from just a bit of quick research is the 2080ti peaks at around 4.5a on the 12v rail. But doing ohms law at say 300w/12v=45a. I bought a seasonic gold focus+ 650 and everything I read on this forums states that 650w is plenty for single card systems. Can you show anything that backs up your min current number your stating, not questioning you really just wondering where you are getting your numbers from Im a sparky and want to read the data myself and decide if I made the right choice as my 12v rail is rated at 648 watts at 42a.

@AlphaC being the resident power guy does this make any sense?

That doesn't look right since if your 2080 Ti has 4.5A on the 12V rail it would be an order of magnitude lower than what it should be limited to.

Depending on how overclocked your 2080 Ti is it can have ~328-380W power limit (roughly 27A-30A).
https://www.igorslab.media/warum-di...ehlungen-nicht-die-beste-idee-ist-igorslab/2/

The Ryzen 5 3600 isn't going to draw much more than 88W out of the box due to power limit and the Ryzen 5 3600X is limited as well (around 120W).
https://www.igorslab.media/drei-x57...erdrive-pbo-und-unterschiedliche-performance/

Total wattage on +12V is ~500W or roughly 41A.


edit: by the way Seasonic's Focus Plus Gold 650W PSU has 54A on the +12V and their 550W version has 45A.