[Nighthog]

NDA is up so lets talk!



3 sticks 3733 isnt a problem. I can do 4x4000 with XMP, 2x4266 with XMP. Those are the only kits I have tried thus far. 4x3733 should be a cake walk.

I really do hope so because the AB350 Gaming 3 could do 3733Mhz with 4x8Gb with a Ryzen 1700 stable for me. I tried 3800 but IMC could not handle it with the voltage limits that board had.
My Biostar X470GT8 was a utter disappointment in comparison barely does 3200Mhz stable.

I'm still looking what is good to try next but prices where a little off from what I had thought. I never thought the Extreme would cost that much (9990KR) I was expecting the price of what the Master got at the moment.

 

[Nighthog]

Will be getting the Gigabyte X570 AORUS XTREME after all with some issues with not getting delivery of some other parts I had tried to get earlier had to cancel those and try elsewhere and went with this overkill out of anger as it was in stock at least.

Will be pairing it with a Ryzen 7 3800X and putting it down under water with and try some 4x8Gb Micron E-die on it. Hope it works out and I really do hope the 3800X are better bin than the 3700X are.

 

[Nighthog]

There are various issues with cold booting with regard to MEM OC on Ryzen I've noted. Even Gen1 and B350/X470. It's usually board specific in how it shows in various ways with the same cpu sample.

It looks like the IMC likes it better warm rather than cold and that causes issues. Characteristics change after a cold start to having it run hot under stress for a long while. Usually settling to be more "stable" hot but then on a cold boot causing a whole lot of chaos the next day or hours later shut down to cool down.
So you can't run on the edge like you would like for warm/cold situations as one might be stable in one but unstable in the other which usually shows with boot issues.
You can try various settings to mitigate the issue but sometimes you have to give up on trying at times or you become utterly mad from trying.

 

[Nighthog]

I will get my cpu and motherboard within 24hours but will probably keep it outside my loop at first until my new WC upgrade parts arrive, should be within 2 days for those. Need to check everything works before I rip out the old motherboard and cpu from the case. I can be impatient and rip it out right away, will have to see.

Rebuilding the WC really usually takes a day it all things work out. I went and ordered a WC kit for memory as well of all things so I hope that helps if I want to run higher voltages. I hope I don't break the kit if/when I put that on them in the end.

 

[Nighthog]

Hey guys!

I started a thread for X570 Aorus Xtreme owners, located here: https://www.overclock.net/forum/11-...0-gigabyte-x570-aorus-xtreme-owners-club.html

Anyway, Nighthog I am very interested in your endeavor with the Micron E-die kit.

I'm really having a hard time finding an E-die or B-die kit that is 2x16gb, since these boards are Daisy Chained, it'll be easier to overclock memory with 2 populated dimms rather than 4.

I don't have the best E-die looking at results others have achieved but will do what I can to push it to it's limits on this board. Seems the Crucial Micron E-die kits are getting better CAS latencies than the Kingston kit I have. I need usually much higher tRCDRD than those I've seen around.

 

[Nighthog]

I know someone mentioned it earlier but I can't seem to resume from sleep with 3900x and x570 master. I disabled realtek lan in bios like the previous post mentioned but I am still having issues. Anyone else having this problem? I usually don't use sleep but summer gets hot in my small PC room.

Over on reddit they who have boot trouble on MSI boards with Ryzen 3000 disconnected their reset switch from their boards and this somehow fixed a lot of troubles for many people with non-booting systems. Might be worth a try?

 

[Nighthog]

@GBT-MatthewH

No never BIOS than F3e for the Aorus Xtreme? No issues with it I should know beforehand?

I've just got my motherboard and cpu will probably just do a few quick tests to see that it boots and flash newer BIOS if needed.

 

[Nighthog]

Got it up and running. Took 2-3 tries for it to boot as it trained the memory I guess.

I found out my old HD5450 HDMI-HDMI output can't display the BIOS, got resolution not supported both on my 4K Samsung TV and My old 24" LG display. The splash/boot screen worked on the TV but then signal was lost.
Had do switch to DVI->HDMI cable and it now works.

Lets see what the BIOS has to offer.
The board seems to have come with F2 BIOS.

XMP 3466Mhz no issues and voltages are correct as far as I can tell.
SoC voltage was set for 1.100V from the start.

Running MemTest86 too see there are no obvious faults and will see what it can do with 2x8Gb E-die. Took half from main computer to test it out it would function.

 

[Nighthog]

I can report a bug/odd behaviour with CPU_FAN & CPU_OPT fan headers when resuming from sleep on the Aorus Xtreme on F3e BIOS. They go max speed and don't go down without any interference of your own to reset the profile/setting.
Regular restart/shutdown has no issues or on the other fan headers either, Just specific to the CPU_FAN headers on resume from sleep.

I've only set some FAN control changes in BIOS not elsewhere thus far. Can be irritating as those fans I connected on them are the ones I want the least on max-speed.
Though I hardly use sleep feature often, just a thing I noted for once using it.

 

[Nighthog]

Found another discrepancy in F3e BIOS for Aorus Xtreme.

CPU voltage and Soc voltage in "Tweaker" there is a hint to the right that I presume is stock/default voltages. They aren't what the hint says is applied in auto/normal offset voltage adjustment. You can confirm either in "PC Health" under "Settings" in bios or HWiNFO64 in windows which voltages they actually are.

One would presume when it says 1.200V it's default/stock when auto/normal, but it isn't.
They both mention 1.200V for CPU & SoC but they are actually 1.100V in auto/normal mode.
Just a minor annoyance.

It's good they aren't applying more than it says but having less than you thought the HINT mentions can cause issues with wrongly applied target voltage when you try to adjust with it in consideration.

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EDIT: I noticed Normal + offset voltage settings with multiplier overclocking in the Tweaker settings doesn't downclock at all and is using constant voltage with stuck multiplier.
Is this how it's supposed to be working there? I was under the impression it would downclock under idle usage with it set like that but it doesn't and works the same way as fixed Manual voltage as far as I can tell. Maybe I missed some setting.
Or are we supposed to use the P-state OC section in the AMD CBS/OVERCLOCKING if we want to downclock in idle but have manually defined boost/high clock target?

I recall having offset voltage working with multiplier clocking and having the lower P-states still kick in idle on my other boards.
Windows power saving feature is @ 5% for idle states so it should downclock.

 

[Nighthog]

If there's anyone here that has successfully run 2x8gb Micron e-die @ 3400+ would you mind sharing your freq/timings? I have a Ballistix Sport LT kit that I'm just running at the 3000/C15 default as I've heard the Ryzen DRAM Calc isn't accurate for this combo. Would like to push to maybe just under 3600 to avoid the issue with IF @ 1800.

I'm testing things right now and found my Micron E-die kits can do 3933Mhz with XMP profile everything basically STOCK/AUTO in BIOS fully stable 1.200v. Not in 1:1 mode as it's auto, but you can see the potential. My fclk can't run so high as I tried to set it manually and could only go as high as around ~1800(=3600mem if 1:1 mode)

To get better timings I need to increase voltage but I'm looking at the MAX speed for now above 3933 these can do with some slight adjustments to settings rather than stock/auto.

 

[Nighthog]

I think there is problem with 4 dimms to reach 3200 with xmp and 1.35v manual , at the moment i can only reach with 28 multi at 2800 stable

Not a problem over here, must be a compatibility issue with your kits. Or your setting some setting wrong. Could be your brand/make of memory is just bad.

I can boot 4x8Gb 3933Mhz stable with XMP in asynch mode and 3800Mhz in 1:1:1 mode working stable. With the memory kits I have.

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@GBT-MatthewH

I found another issue with the BIOS F3e on X570 Aorus Xtreme motherboard regarding sleep function.

When you resume from sleep your SoC Voltage is reset/ignored from what you have set in BIOS. It goes back to stock/AUTO 1.100V on resume. I

I had it set with a offset: VCORE SOC [normal] -> [-0.0750V] before I put the system in sleep and it's gone back to stock on when I got back into Windows. It should have been 1.025V with how I setup it in BIOS and was as such before I tried the sleep function again.

I haven't checked the other voltages as I haven't found a need to tinker with them, but it could be wise to go over them in your testing to see which function as they should using sleep/resume. It's a possible source of problems when settings aren't remembered/reset when using sleep.

There is also a issue with duplicate entries for settings in [AMD CBS] & [AMD OVERCLOCKING] It is regarding the Data Fabric multiplier, Manual setting.
The one in AMD CBS -> XFR sub-menu works up-to 1800[3600Mhz] without issue. But you have trouble above, it could boot 1833 but it would crash on any load when in windows. Anything above would not boot at all. tried various things but could not get it to work.
The one in AMD OVERCLOCKING When set manually functions without issue all the way to 1900[3800Mhz]. Just set it and it worked without issue.

It's a little odd the same function behaves differently depending on where you set it.

 

[Nighthog]

@MGMG8GT

I think it's a AMD AGESA issue, I haven't seen anyone really say they have been able to adjust the PBO stock settings in BIOS. I tried shortly BPO -> ENABLED & PBO -> ADVANCED with manual settings. I saw no difference with manual settings to be had the few seconds I spent with it. the stock PBO -> ENABLED seemed to perform better at a quick glance. Though the system still didn't really draw more power than it did with no PBO at all.

I was convinced it was still broken so I didn't put much effort into it at all. Just to confirm what everyone was saying. We will have to wait for AMD to accept they have a issue on their hand or they will not acknowledge any issue and say this is how it works and we will probably have to be accept it's crap.

I would love to be able to tweak parameters but I don't know at this stage if they will enable it outside as you noticed they work to a limit within AMD RYZEN MASTER software.

 

[Nighthog]

What's the verdict on the Aorus Extreme? I only have the board and ram for it so far and have a long way to go before i complete the build.

It's a nice board but overpriced as everyone says. I had my eye on it from the first glance but I thought it would cost half of what it actually cost in the end but I don't regret anything yet. Feature wise I could have been done with the Aorus Elite but I wanted this one so I got this one after failed delivery of a competitor board I was curios on.
The passive PCH heatsink is a killer feature. NR: 1 <-- my final and only decision to go for it in the end and the nice to have right angle connectors all along the edge. Silly reasons but that was what made the choice above other cheaper versions.

BIOS is OK, nothing deadly thus far but this early there are some bugs to be found and a little bad organization thanks to AMD AGESA stuff. I think a 32MB BIOS ROM could have allowed a little fewer nicer options. They did remove the RGB stuff from BIOS to previous B350 boards on launch of the Ryzen cpu:s.
I'm a little grumpy to have to set that stuff trough their APP CENTER now in windows instead.

Another annoyance is the BIOS LED indicator! I HATE THAT ORANGE COLOUR! You can't shut it off. Ruins everything if you want a particular colour scheme inside you case. It's too bright.

 

[Nighthog]

Hi guys quick question on the Master's features. Does the ESS Sabre DAC only apply to the front panel headphones or the rear I/O as well?

The ESS Sabre DAC is for front panel audio only! <--- EDIT: Clarification this is for the AMP section, sorry poorly worded by me.

I'm on the Xtreme and this is how it is. Back I/O AUDIO doesn't have AMP features. Saw others on the net asking same question.

 

[Nighthog]

That's dumb. I think their product website implies it applies to both front and rear.

Really?
That's incredible disappointing and was one of the reasons I would like to go with the Master.
Guess the Master is not that attractive for me anymore.

I saw no mention in marketing that it applies to all ports. Just that there is and AMP and it's capable of driving powerful headphones.
What motherboard has back audio AMP? I haven't seen any mention any do?

Tough the sound is good on the front & back. It's 100% clean from all noise.
No jitter/pops/distortion or other noise from power creeps into the sound. I had an issue with the back-connectors having coil/noise from the GPU/network/HDD transplant on my Biostar motherboard.
Gigabyte doesn't have this issue. The sound is clean!

Just be sure to haver good enough headphones for the sound character you like. I made the mistake to buy wrong kind of headphones when my old broke down, made a bad choice to listen to "normals" in the shop to go for Marshall Bluetooth ones, it's awful to my ears. The mids and up sound **** on these in my opinion.

 

[Nighthog]

I misread and worded it badly. The DAC is all ports, but the AMP is front panel only.

 

[Nighthog]

@gbt Matthew,

I am still having issues resuming from sleep with this MB/ 3700X. However, only occasionally since I set the Power Supply Idle to Typical in the Bios. (prior to that it was every time I woke the pc up)

Symptoms are wake from sleep and the fans spin up and the lights come on as if all is well except the screen never turns back on. The hot keys to reset display driver do not work nor does ctrl alt delete.

The debug code is E6 which isn't listed as anything in the manual. Most helpful.

Never had any issues with sleep on my X370 build and Win 10 1709 so I'm not sure if buggy AMD AGESA or Win 10 1903 is to blame

Bios isn't ready yet. there are various issues with sleep, settings get reset/ignored from what they are set in BIOS when you use sleep and resume. All kinds of hell can then happen as voltages and whatnot can be whatever.

So my advice don't use sleep function until they sort out the bugs!

 

[Nighthog]

Just tried to test out the Bluetooth stuff on the Aorus Xtreme board as I had a pair of such headphones but had been using 3.5mm jack as old computer didn't have BT and my TV which had it delayed audio considerably making it not practical connected to PC which made them go out of sync badly.

Either way after a little configuring and disabling that awful "Headset" with 16khz 8bit mono audio so sound could be delivered in 16bit 48Khz sampling in stereo as it should it's quite nice.
That and also installing the Wi-Fi antennas. Barely got a signal and choppy mess beforehand.

Sound doesn't change too much from the 3.5mm jack connection maybe better? It's using the built in DAC/AMP in the headphones instead after all. but really I can't tell the difference really.
Audio isn't delayed any more like connecting to the TV instead. Making this useful... GREAT!

Something that works for once!

 

[Nighthog]

Installed 3900x on ultra, all stock worked fine couple of days.
Decided to install VMware which was a pain and involved lots of Windows tweaks with bcedit.
Had some reboot loops, tried to repair using USB media. More reboot loops.
Hitting Del on Aorus logo gets me black screen.
Hitting F12 gets me black screen. Sometimes it hangs on Aorus.
Clearing Cmos gets me a bios message 'settings cleared', hitting ok gets me black screen.
USB windows 10 does nothing. Reverted bios with qflash plus: no video signal, looked like brick. Put latest bios with qflash plus: freeze or black screen. Moved ssd around, no changes.
What's most frustrating is that I can't even boot a USB stick. Scratch that, why can't I go to bios? Removed all disks still no bios.

Trying to boot with Linux now, but I'm not very confident. Hitting install Linux gets me reboot loop.

Gonna try and test CPU with different mobo and the ram separately and then warranty this board or return it. Ordered a Tuf Gaming plus just to test and will send it back in couple of weeks.

You sure your graphics card/monitor/display supports the resolution in BIOS? I found a issue with some older cards could not display BIOS when I was troubleshooting issues. Mainly was issues with HDMI on a HD5450. DVI worked.
I think the bios is [email protected] normally. It's not the same as the boot/splash screen.