[Streetdragon]

SOC too low after resume from sleep Fix for X570 Master - F5J

Let me know what you guys find during testing. Can you guys specifically let me know if this lets you downclock voltage under idle with 3600+ memory set, and any difference in boost behavior.

installed new chipset and the new bios for the Master:
Ram 3766/1833 1:1
Idling is working + Boost. Im very happy!

 

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Unfortunately F5J seems to have nuked my motherboard. After flashing the BIOS with @BIOS it will no longer post, resetting the battery doesn't fix it. Trying to use the USB flashback doesn't seem to do anything, it just sits there with LED code AA.

Can anyone help with a step by step guide on how to get onto the second BIOS chip or to do the USB flashback incase I'm doing it wrong?

Thanks.

are you running sli? Use the second card

 

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If you are going to use your 3200CL 14 kit at 3200 then leave the IF at 1600 is my thought and just tighten the subtimings.
If you want to clock that kit higher to say 3600 then you'd for sure want to set the IF to 1800 - and again tighten your subtimings.
In all honesty except for the benchmarks scores etc. I have seen or felt no perceivable differences from running my 3200cl14kit:IF 1600/ 3466cl16 kit :IF 1733 / 3600cl16 kit :IF 1800 and the current one I'm playing with a 4000cl19 kit that I'm down clocking to 3800 IF 1900. And to be quite honest the benchmark scores are not super dramatic differences either.

No, I am not using any cooling on the RAM - Good call out! This setup is an open test bench with no fans blowing across components other than I have the 280mm radiator/fans sort of angled to where the wash from those fans blows across the board. I did see the dimm temps getting into the 50's C but, that was a 4 hour plus run of a mem stability test pounding on them. Also, and I don't want to start a controversy over it as it is something for each to decide on their own but, if I recall correctly, JDEC spec for DDR4 for 24x7 use is up to 1.5v and @ 80c - now that does not mean that is optimal or there no is chance of decreased life span at those ranges but...
I also know there are lots of cats out there warning of mem errors and such at 50c+ and you can't do that --- but there were zero errors over 4 plus hours and over 7000% coverage by the time I stopped the test. So at least for that run it was not an issue. Again take into consideration this is a test bench not a "system" and I am only really just tinkering because I get some whack pleasure from it.

Another good call out on the settings - I just wanted to get some sort of baseline established so, yes I was just going straight off the setting from the calc except the VDDG and VDDP, I actually left those on auto in the bios. Next time around I will plug in the 0.950 and 0.900 and start working backwards on those and on the dram voltage too. Dram volts most assuredly should not need to be that high at all and reducing that alone will put a dent in those dimm therms .

It takes while with - adjust the settings and running stability tests then re-adjust, re-test that I have not got every thing tuned to "Stable for Daily Driver status" settings. Things like CB R15/20 AIDA64/Firestrike/Geekbench all seem to work and give false confidence ram is stable - but as soon as I fire up prime95 or Karhu - those pesky rams show their true colors...

The TLDR: Plan on running your 3700X with your 3200cl14 ram at 1:1 with IF 1600. Tighten the timings using dram calc running at your spec'd XMP voltage (probably 1.35v) and be happy! Your perf will be nice and tasty and since you'll be dual rank and taking advantage of some interleaving you might find you are already as good as a 3600cl16 kit 1:1 1800 IF.

Be sure to post how things are going

Gave you your first Rep :thumb:

This and only this.
ATm i sit with 3600/1800 with tighter timings and left everything else on auto/stock. 3600 is XMP so i went with that speed.

I can do 3800/1900 cl14 and tuned subtimings.
Stresstest stable, benchstable but games will cause a reboot. No voltage will help in my case.

The different while gaming is not visible. Aida Membench only shows minimal differenc.
Not worth the hassle of reboots/errors and dead Bios.(Yes one time i had to reflash it^^)

Like sad, go with 3200/1600 and tune the timings. Easyer and still a nice playtime

 

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First m.2 by the cpu is direct conected to the cpu PCI4.0 x4
The other two will share PCI4.0 x4 on both m.2Slots + 4 sata ports

 

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Thanks for the reply.
So am I correct in thinking the CPU connected M.2 would run at full speed and the two PCH connected M.2 sharing x4 (with only 4 SATA) means that they would run at half speed? Sorry for being dense.

I'm just after knowing if 3xM.2 PCIE Gen 4 drives is overkill.

more or less yes. I think PCI4 x2 == PCI3 x4
Should be fast neough. You can still drive them in raid 0 for more speed

 

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Yep. the pci lanes for the gpus and the chipset/m.2 are different ones. so dont worry!

 

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Need Help. I removed the secound gpu and now my master only boots to qcode 4d. Made bios reset etc but nothing happens.....

edit. now its working again? ***? im getting to old for this type of playing with my feelings........

 

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That's a cruel world...


A question: when manual OCing on Ryzen Master, is the cpu frequency fixed or not? This software show me a dynamic frequency, every others (cpuz, hwinfo, task manager...) show a fixed one.

Clocking with ryzen master and i would say the cores really go into idle etc because of the lower watt and temps

 

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@GBT-MatthewH hope you know the answer or can ask your technics.

3900X/X570 Master 4x8Gig ram
is SOC 1.15V(Set in bios) and VDDG of 1070mV ok?
HWinfo reads 1.13V soc in Windows with around 14W power usage

Need that voltage to get 3800/1900 fully stable

 

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About your settings in the PDF. I don't really recommend setting everything manually with the dual entries. Leave most auto and only use the MAIN MENU & AMD_OVERCLOCKING. Only VDDP & VDDG need to be set under AMD_CBS as safety. The DRAM training usually wants to mess with those otherwise on a failed boot.

I see you set both the P-state OC & AMD_OVERCLOCKING CPU OC. Leave the P-state & auto and either only use AMD_OVERCLOCKING or the main menu CPU_MULTI/voltage settings. It leaves the things less cluttered to know what went wrong/what was used?

Your problem with only getting infrequent success at boot is the same I get when running on the edge what the memory & motherboard/cpu can handle. I get the same behaviour running 4266/4X8Gb or 4600-4666/2X8GB. It's not just stable, board doesn't like running with the current parts @ that speed successfully. There are settings that can help and settings that can make it worse. You basically need to tune your settings to be more to your systems liking.
The settings I've seen to be primary are MEMORY timings,cad bus values & Data Bus Configuration. There are so many configurations possible you just need to start somewhere and test if it was better or worse.

Data Bus Configuration:
RZQ/7, RZQ/3, RZQ/1
RZQ/7, RZQ/2, RZQ/1
disabled, RZQ/3, RZQ/1
disabled, RZQ/3, RZQ/5
disabled, RZQ/3, RZQ/6
disabled, RZQ/2, RZQ/5
disabled, RZQ/2, RZQ/6
disabled, disabled, RZQ/5
disabled, disabled, RZQ/4
Test these out to see if any gives improvement. I had good luck with [disabled, RZQ/3, RZQ/6] for my E-die kits on the Aorus Xtreme.
Samsung B-die might like [disabled, disabled, RZQ/5] better as that is what I see other users report for those kits. (though I had bad experience with it refusing to boot too often)

CAD Bus Drive Strength:
24, 20, 24, 24 (is stock and works mostly ok)
24, 20, 20, 20
20, 20, 20, 20
30, 20, 20, 20
40, 20, 20, 20
24, 24, 24, 24
24, 20, 30, 30
This is pure testing, You just try different combos. This is mostly when I try to squeeze out errors that appear random and no timings seem to fix.
60.20.24.24 I usually needed for GDM:disabled 1T @ 3800/1900 but it was newer 100% error free. Random glitches would occur that didn't show in Error testing.
I'm currently trying different values to ~stablize~ 4266Mhz 4x8Gb as I still have Boot problems. Some combinations boot easier than others and others will cause errors, Still trying to figure out the best combo.
At higher frequency I've seen the higher values gives issues and likes these to be as low as possible.

CAD Bus Setup Timing:
AUTO, AUTO, AUTO is 99% safe for all settings. [0, 0, 0]
Safe values usually depends on your Memory kits I presume.
Most values don't work I've noted, ends up giving errors. But there are some combinations that just give you the extra edge to stabilize at higher speeds.
CkeSetup I can use 3-10 and it helps a little with the stuck/bad boots. Addr/CsOdt I've not found better than letting them be AUTO yet.

procODT:
I usually found the higher the MEMORY frequency the lower you need to have this set to be stable/bootable. My E-die only likes 36.9Ohm @ 4000+ speeds. No other values work there.

CLDO_VDDP:
Just don't run too low value, you will get odd behaviour like random reboots or USB glitches etc I saw. Having this "just right" is a thing and can be helpful rather than having it too high.
CLDO_VDDG:
Too High and FCLK/Memory gives errors. Too low you get crashes in higher loads like Y-cruncher bench. 900-975 range seems ok but I've seen 975 can be too high if running higher OC and needed lower values there (4450OC with +1.450vCore) but 975mv was perfect for 4400 OC. This too probably has a "just right" value. Though it differs depending on other factors like CPU Clock, MEM, silicon quality etc.

LLC:
I don't recommend going higher than [TURBO]. If you use [Turbo] you get the same voltage you set in BIOS with a DMM measured at the back of the cpu socket under load. Higher LLC will give you higher voltage than set in BIOS.
[Turbo] and higher have their issues with higher loads. They can shut off you computer suddenly if hit with a higher load as a spike. OVP OCP? I think OVP hitting and shutting down/rebooting if you run 1.400-1.450++ volts. The higher the LLC the lower the 'safe' voltage range goes without issues. Though I never adjusted the OVP/OCP settings and had them @ AUTO.
[High] doesn't cause this issue and what I'm using with AUTO OCP/OVP. I can then "safely run" 1.450+volts @4400-4450Mhz range if I want to check OC/stability. Though I don't recommend this to anyone, I'm probably soon frying it there anyway.

yeahhhhhh BUT
vddP = ddr conecctions stuff
vddG = IF stability. Has more or nothing to do with ram clocks

 

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Maybe is just a bad battery?

 

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@GBT-MatthewH

Ok i have installed the new bios and what strange things i have seen.

The 2 core are at 4.4 but the the rest of the cores go like crazy from 4.3 to 3.4 then 4.2 4.3 3.2 , and the voltage goes all the time from 1.47 to 1.22 and then 1.46 , 1.3 ...... , i changed back to the f6 bios and all the cores i see are at 4.3 4.29 stable and the voltage 1.47 or 1.46 with exactk same settings in bios , PBO enabled boost overdrive enabled and memory with xmp 3200 1.35 v

All these on idle mode and with ryzen balanced

normal downclocking of cores that are not in use

 

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@GBT-MatthewH When we are talking about SOC Voltage etc.

What would be OK to go for 24/7 on SOC VDDG VDDP?

This question is still unclear.

SOC 1.15V ok?
Some boards push VDDG 1.15V. Other 1.05V etc. Really wanna know the ok zone for it

 

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Cracking sound = not enough SOC volage. nothing new

 

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Wow you are pushing your chip xD

 

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Just a little hind:

If you play games/Workloads that use more than two threads: Set a manual clock via Ryzen Master.
Faster, Cooler und need less Volatge/Power.

With this settings i get in CPU-Z Bench 200+ more points in multi and loss only 10-12 Points in Single Thread test

And yes, the CPU still idles with 4-5Watt on the cores. Sleeping cores etc

Sooo Singlethread boost is worthless in modern games. Just saying

 

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Do we get a option in the bios to overclock the CCD/CCX manuel? That would be great

 

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I think i found a bug in Master F7B Bios:
Disabled all PBO settings
Set Core Multi to 42
Set Voltage to 1.35V
LLC to high.

Wont boot.
Set Core Multi to 40.
Boots. Voltage was only 1.09V!

Is that a knowing problem?

Just wanna get a stable voltage and clock from start and than change the clock with Ryzen Master to my CCD overclock

 

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On my maste i have 3 m.2 SSDs. The one on the CPU for windows and the two chipset bound ones.

Can i enable raid 0 on the chipset drives without getting in problems with the windows drive? I mean i dont have to reset the windows drive?

 

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F7F is running well on my System. The only Problem:

The Boosting is now lower than ever before.
R20 multiscore around 7000. okish. not great not terrible...
Singlescore ONLY 502. Should be at 520+.

So there is still room for improvments!