[Heuchler]

Hi!


I'm a little at a loss here. I own an Aorus 570X mini itx, and upgraded to the latest BIOS. After that, the PC just wouldn't load properly at all. I got different BSODs whenever loading windows. So, After a lot of tinkering, I downgraded to the original BIOS and reinstalled Windows. Now it kinda starts, but the fan on my Radeon XT 5700 GPU goes in to turbo mode randomly, even tho the temperatures seems allright. After a period of full speed from the fans, my PC just shuts down. Any ideas? Thanks!

Was your new build stable before updating the BIOS. If all new try reseating CPU and RAM. Are you using XMP profile. if so make sure timings and voltages are somewhat near rated speed. XMP can set CPU_SOC was to high [1.2v or higher]

Have you tried locking your Radeon RX 5700 XT to PCIe Gen3 to troubleshoot. Also, reseating the GPU can fix some issues.


make sure to be using DIMM A2 and B2


Filling out RIGBUILDER or listing your components would help.

 

[Heuchler]

I seem to be having an issue where the primary bios and secondary bios like to swap from time to time. For example I changed the cooler today and the bios swapped from primary to secondary. The big problem with this is that it doesn't tell you which bios it's on. I have a few friends with the same board and they were saying its happened to them also and they have the same annoyance and that they wished it would tell you which it's using. Now flicking the board switches to make it use a particular bios does NOT solve this issue. It will still swap when it wants to.

Dual BIOS, besides allowing for a fast recovery method, allows for additional security.
For boards that have physical switch to allow Single BIOS mode and allowing to select between the MAIN and BACKUP BIOS.

Dual BIOS with replaceable BIOS chip explanation
It is advisable to use Single BIOS mode such that the second chip is untouched. Flash only via USB in the BIOS itself via Q-Flash. Don't flash in Windows or other OS.
Try to load Optimized Defaults so that all settings are stock before flashing the BIOS.

When you have a corrupt main BIOS you can then flash over the main BIOS by switching the BIOS to the 2nd BIOS.

1. Set board to single BIOS mode if not already.
2. Boot off the backup BIOS
3. Once in the BIOS flip the switch to the BIOS you want to flash,
4. Use Q-Flash to flash the BIOS. After reboot it may power cycle up to 5 times for memory training reasons.

Which is faster - flashing the bios with the q-flash button without CPU/memory, or doing it normally in the bios menus? I want to minimize the risk of a power failure.

Q-Flash can update the BIOS without a OS like DOS or Windows - embedded in BIOS [END key on POST screen or F8 inside the menu in BIOS].
Q-Flash Plus is more of a recovery tool or if you don't have a unsupported processor and need to update the BIOS (takes 2-3 minutes). Has to be done in Dual-BIOS mode if the board has it. Flashes MAIN BIOS then upon success it flashed the BACKUP BIOS .

white USB port on rear I/O with a USB flash drive (formatted in FAT32/16 file system). renamed the BIOS file to "GIGABYTE.bin"



"if the main BIOS is corrupted or damaged, the backup BIOS will take over on the next system boot to ensure normal system operation"

 

[Heuchler]

SB positiion 2 and BIOS_SW position 2 will force the BIOS in single BIOS mode and use the BACKUP BIOS (leaving the stock BIOS on release version is normally best but since we have Q-Flash PLUS it isn't all to relevant).

I would recommend having the system shutdown and turning off the PSU via the switch in the back.


The switching between the MAIN and BACKUP BIOS is a little odd. I only experienced it when I caused and issue/BUG with PBO overclocking and Ryzen Master.

Normally 5 failed boot attempt and CLR cleared error message in BIOS when I try to undervolt or pushing my memory beyond its limited.

 

[Heuchler]

So as long as the board have dual bioses, a power outage can't possibly completely brick the board? If one chip gets corrupted, can you un-corrupt it by writing to it again later? Does all x570 Aorus boards have dual bioses? I can't find any information about it in the Ultra manual, which is the board I'm planning to get.

I believe you are correct as in that all Dual BIOS board should be fully recoverable with a USB Flashback. I have only been able to brick one of my BIOS so far. Recover was pretty easy.

All GIGABYTE X570 motherboards have BIOS recovery via QFLASH+ through USB BIOS flashback chip 504N.

X570 AORUS XTREME, X570 AORUS MASTER, X570 AORUS ULTRA and X570 AORUS PRO all have Dual BIOS.

XTREME and MASTER have physical switches on the board to select which BIOS. And they have one BIOS that is socket as well.

edit:

Ultra has it listed on the international GIGABYTE site under BIOS. Might not have been advertised on some sites or material.
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X570-AORUS-ULTRA-rev-10/sp#sp

also on the aorus.com site
https://www.aorus.com/X570-AORUS-ULTRA-rev-10#pd_spec



X570 Netherland 15 motherboard reviews at Hardware.info
https://nl.hardware.info/artikel/9411/15-amd-x570-moederborden-review-op-de-proef-met-een-3900x

 

[Heuchler]

is everyone's ryzen cpu voltage increasing and decreasing as it should? My 3900x on x570 master is idling around 1.46xx with 9 cores sleeping.

I just set a fixed vcore [1.293] and turned off PBO on my Master. No longer spikes to 1.45v at idle.

 

[Heuchler]

Ryzen 5 3600 that is not a great clocker @ 4.20 GHz

PBO only adds 50 MHz to three cores and 25 MHz two on top of the 4.20 GHz. none-X Ryzen 3000 could behave much different but right now PBO is not for me.

Gigabyte X570 AORUS Master F5I
G.Skill F4-3600C19-8GSXKB (Hynix CJR) 16GB (2x 8) DDR4 3800 @16-20-20-36
HP EX950 M.2 512GB PCIe 3.1 x4 NVMe
SAMSUNG PM951 512GB PCIe 3.0 NVMe 1.1a
Swiftech H240-X
R9 Fury Nitro OC
EVGA 1000 GQ

 

[Heuchler]

I really don't take anything too series from reddit or youtubers. If it is a Microcode issue then motherboard makers are at the mercy of the CPU maker. According to all the launch date review drama
some reviewers used non AMD vetted BIOS version per motherboard manufactures instruction. Anandtech redid their test and reported higher boost clocks. As far as X470 being more mature
I have read plenty of people having issue with Matisse CPUs on ASmedia chipsets. X470 is X370 at 2 watt savings nothing more and nothing less. X79 and X99 had plenty of issue.
I survived X370 launch. Motherboard vendor 'A' released bad motherboard BIOS as a fix. A made you pay shipping cost for RMA. They took over a month to return RMAs.

Pretty easy not to recommend them anymore.



Wendell from Level 1 Techs about his experience his the X570 AORUS Master and his R9 3900X

PBO not working?

Are you languishing in 4.2-4.3 max boost clocks even for single core ? Set your memory speed to 3533 or less and set the fabric speed to match.

The AORUS Master is an impressive board. I have two 3900Xs. Both can hit 4.5 all core with a manual OC. One can clock a bit higher but only on the first CCX.

https://forum.level1techs.com/t/aorus-master-x570-perfect-uefi-settings/145081


edit:

the motherboard maker 'A' that I was talking about is not ASRock. Both my X370 Professional Gamer and B450M Pro4 are good boards with solid BIOS support.
Gigabyte has the first to rollout support for all X470, B450, X370, B350 boards. Seems like they are the first to have the latest AGESA based BIOS.

 

[Heuchler]

der8auer actually used the chipset cooler on the MASTER to cool his Ryzen 9 3900X. Also, he plays with Package Power Limit Control under AMD CBS. setting it to 6 Watt resulting in something like 8-10 watts in Windows for the CPU.

3900X + AGESA 1003ABB Test
https://youtu.be/jNZC01A4314?t=413
6:53 mark in the video


**** setting vCore too low under Manual CPU Overclocking (sub-menu AMD overclocking) will cause a the board not being able to POST and you will have to use QFLASH+ to reset that BIOS. Package Power Limit Control under AMD CBS or setting vCore to manual and using negative offsets are better ways to undervolt

 

[Heuchler]

AORUS Elite makes getting a previous generation flagship rather pointless. Basically same VRM as on the X570 Taichi and similar to $300 STRIX x570-F

That is a lot of performance per dollar. Let me know how your 3600X performance. They definitely seem better binned than the non X counterpart @ 4200 MHz 1.22v vs 1.28v

Graph is from a small sample size. I'm sticking to The Stilt recommend safe voltage level around 1.325V in high-current loads. So, youtubers claims at 1.40v how to over these new 7nm processors on higher voltages than previous generation 12nm before degrading.

@LiquidHaus have you tried an older verion of RGBFusion. I'm trying to add more orange to my build as well.

alternatively could try this PS Script w/ RGB-Fusion-Tool - https://github.com/windows2000bug/RGB-Fusion-Tool-PS/releases/tag/v0.3-beta

 

[Heuchler]

Temp sensor controlled for different regions could be a fun project. I had no idea that they had so many different modes for this stuff.

RGB Fusion 2.0
https://www.gigabyte.com/MicroSite/512/rgb2.html

RGB Fusion Official Compatibility Information
https://www.gigabyte.com/mb/rgb/ready

RGB Fusion SDK
https://www.gigabyte.com/mb/rgb/sdk

RGB Fusion Products
https://www.gigabyte.com/mb/rgb/Product



GIGABYTE RGB Fusion Google Play Store - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gigabyte.rgbfusion&hl=en_US

RGB Fusion on the App Store -iOS Apple - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/rgb-fusion/id1173484495


older version - http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Utility/mb_utility_rgb-fusion_B18.0413.1.zip


in case somebody else wants to try it out

 

[Heuchler]

normal allows you to use offset [+/-] for CPU and SoC

 

[Heuchler]

check you SoC voltage when using XMP [can set them to 1.2v or higher].

You can set manual Package Power Limit or use negative offset by selecting normal for vcore.

Without PBO my system boost properly and temps are 10c lower.


NH D15 SE-AM4 might make better contact. Does your D15 have a convex base. Have you checked if it is making proper contact with the IHS ?

 

[Heuchler]

What should it be at (and why isn't it)? Is the setting under "Tweaker" alright, or is it deep-dive into the AMD menus?

XMP is intel extended profile. You can use it to get you started but you should always double check the values it sets. Manually setting your timings should always yield best results.

Tweaker has CPU & SoC voltage. RAM Calculator for Ryzen by 1usmus makes it rather fast process - https://www.overclock.net/forum/28071804-post2.html


I didn't know that the base is the same for the SE-AM4. Been out of touch with coolers for a while. I knew that the ARO-M14 improved the base to make better contact with Ryzen.

Last real heatsink I got was a 2nd TRUE120 and lapped it to make better contact with Phenom II. Your D15 might be making really good contact. It was just an idea to check. The 7nm chiplets are really tiny.

 

[Heuchler]

Device Manager -> Disk drives -> your NVMe drive (right click - properties) - >Policies ->

disable Write-Cache (click ok) then re-enable Write-Cache

Windows sometime needs a kick in rear

 

[Heuchler]

Have you Noctua guys try PWM mode instead of AUTO in the BIOS.

I have had any issues with my fans.

 

[Heuchler]

Linus Tech Tips Edition

 

[Heuchler]

Hey guys.

I have the Aorus X570 Ultra with the F4L Bios and my 1080ti is only running at PCIE3.0 8X
It is connected with PCIE riser cable to the motherboard. Does anybody know a solution? I also have 3 SATA SSD connected to my system, are they chewing up my PCIE Lanes? They are not mounted in the M.2 slots, they are typical 2.5inch drives.

Settings > Miscellaneous > PCIe slot config then pick PCIe Gen3 -- This can also help if you have a riser card or extension cable (not recommended).

SATA drives should run off the X570 chipset and shouldn't take any additional PCIe Lanes.

 

[Heuchler]

If you install anything m.2 in the 3rd slot or any pciex slot ,your graphic card will drop to x8
happened to me ,so I don't use 3rd slot and 2nd pciex x8

Interesting. I need to play around with that sometime.

VRM Info: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CnA5xLV4F9_x99QBE0lxWcDxGctE9eBRUg_GwHjM9z0/

PCIe Diagrams: https://drive.google.com/open?id=193tSL7U6VwPwnWYm4NPdjQQ3xZwShiAD

 

[Heuchler]

I do wish people would experiment a little more than just completely have everything handed to them on a platter fully served.

Anyway I'm currently fixing up so I can run 4266Mhz in 4x8GB configuration. A little tricky to get it to boot every time but going through the settings to see what helps and doesn't.
I already know it can run stable but need to tighten it down and fix the eventual boot issue if it can be fixed or I need to lower the speed a little instead.

how is the latency at 4266 (IF 1900 ?). Matisse seems like a happy camper with all 4 DIMM slots populated.

 

[Heuchler]

Very nice that you got 4266 working on your Xtreme. 76.8ns seems really good for running async mode [2:1]. Makes we want to pickup another CJR kit or try Micron Rev.E based kit.

Rank Interleaving bandwidth boost with Single Ranked DIMMs (4x SR) to bandwidth of 2x DR setup. I would guess a very small Latency Penalty would applies.



But as somebody said earlier - need to experiment for myself. Too many variables. And what is important to the end user.