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FYI this fix, care of AMD-Robert, seems to have fixed the issue on my board. It's a work around, but it works! With this power setting my cpu and voltage downclocks properly with 3600 XMP RAM. My cinebench score also stayed the same. R15: 202/1631.

Set Power mode to balance.
Change min processor state to 85%.
Change maximum processor state to 100%.

 

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is the cpus boost still limited? when i was playing with my ram frequency seemed to be stuck at 4.25 no matter what did multiple cinebench runs wouldn't drop or go higher on single thread tests.

Kind of low. Should be closer to 4.325-4.375, check your cpu temp. If you use an AIO try full speed and test again.

 

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having the same issue - windows logs an error code (unable to resume from sleep/hibernate).. I haven't figured out what the issue is yet..

I've disabled sleep for now to see if I still have issues...

Is this only 3900X? Anyone else with another CPU? Just to be clear just go to start -> sleep then it won't resume? Does the debug LED say anything? What board?

Personally I only have 3600X right now to test, but if I can gather enough info to try and reproduce I can have HQ test.

 

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going to test again today I am using a h150i but to clarify what i was saying, optimized defaults with xmp enabled I boost to max 4.55 single core and everything in between when I overclock the ram i'm stuck to 4.25 max and minimum.

Your post earlier explained a work around to get the cpu to downclock again but i'm curious if maximum boost is being affected as well, i'm going to try myself here shortly but a test sample of one doesn't say much.

I didn't pay attention to specific boost speed when I tested, however I can say my CB15 score was identical with both power plans. So I assume the boost was also the same.

 

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@gbt_Matthew just wanted to let you know i have the x570 Aorus Ultra and my Ram 4x8gb 4133mhz Patriot PVR416G413C9K does run on a 4x8gb config with xmp 4133 or without if i put 4 dimm,s in i can not Post, not with any of the available bios versions, not even with cmos clear only 2 sticks work but individualy all 4 sticks are ok.

Those XMP settings are for (2) sticks not 4. You can try the ryzen calculator to get timings for 4 sticks. For reference I can do 2 sticks @ 4266 (the rated XMP profile) with my hyperX ram. If I use 4 sticks I have to drop down to 4000Mhz. I havn't had time to play with getting all 4 sticks up to 4266. Instead I focused on 3600Mhz and getting the timings down to CL14 at IF 1:1. Still tweaking settings but promising so far.

 

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I have just been running 3200mhzC14 with infinity at 1600; my voltages are very very high while browsing the interwebs.... seen on Ryzen Master and CPU-Z. 1.4-1.5v pretty constant. This being just XMP enabled and downclocked to 3200c14 and the infinity fabric clock changed. Otherwise all stock as of right now.

Not sure whats up with that. My E-Die showed up today, might test it a little bit later... see how it fares compared to the B-Die.

Page 33 has your answers, this specific post may help while we await new AGESA - https://www.overclock.net/forum/28046610-post325.html

Thanks for the super fast reply but i know how ram overclocking works and i run them @3600mhz with tighter timings if i could get the system to post at all with 4 Slots occupied. if i put all 4 RAM modules in the system it will not post, not @jdec speeds not if i clear cmos nor if i downclock it to 1600mhz with 2 sticks in the system as soon as there are 4 sticks of ram the mobo will just not post at all.

I would try each stick, each slot, to narrow down the problem. Posting 4 sticks at default shouldn't be a problem. You can also try manually setting voltage with 1/2 dimms then adding 3/4.

CAs14 is hard to get. cant even do CAS15^^

So far this settings are stable. any thought what i could tweak more?

I literally just used this guide https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cdneto/overclocking_your_memory_from_one_newbie_to/

 

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@ GBT Matthew or anyone else with the answer

This is my 1st Gigabyte board so I am unfamiliar with some of Gigabyte's features or terminology.

On the Tweaker page under XMP profile there is an option that says XMP High Frequency Support with options Auto, level 1, level 2, and level 3 what is this?

Those are quick FCLK adjustments. AUTO will be half your memory speed, up to 1800. Level 1 = FCLK 1600, Level 2 = FCLK 1700, Level 3 = FCLK 1800

 

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Good choice! I just grabbed a 3700x on a whim since it's stocked, but I feel like the loss on resale value for the 3700x is going to be far greater than the 3600 by the time 3950x comes around (or maybe 4950x if patient enough..)

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QUESTION : I ended up with the X570 Aorus Pro Wifi since there is a combo deal on newegg and elite was out of stock. The Aorus Pro has an extra 4 pin CPU EPS header.. but I can't locate the spare cables for my EVGA G2 850 at the moment.. I don't anticipate driving 235+ W (iirc 8 pin suggested power limit) or even close to that through the 3700x, is the extra 4 pin going to be necessary to post or can I just ignore it for the time being?

Ignore the 4 pin.

 

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@GBT-MatthewH Hey there. My Gigabyte Aorus Extreme came in Tuesday, Do I need to register it for any warranty reasons or what not?

Thanks

Makes it easier, if you do need to submit for RMA, since its easier to read the serial number when the board isn't in the system... but the warranty is the warranty regardless of if you register it.

 

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If there's anyone here that has successfully run 2x8gb Micron e-die @ 3400+ would you mind sharing your freq/timings? I have a Ballistix Sport LT kit that I'm just running at the 3000/C15 default as I've heard the Ryzen DRAM Calc isn't accurate for this combo. Would like to push to maybe just under 3600 to avoid the issue with IF @ 1800.

I used the ryzen calculator to get CL14 @ 3600. Pretty simple, here are the directions I followed: https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cdneto/overclocking_your_memory_from_one_newbie_to/

 

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@GBT-MatthewH

I found another issue with the BIOS F3e on X570 Aorus Xtreme motherboard regarding sleep function.

When you resume from sleep your SoC Voltage is reset/ignored from what you have set in BIOS. It goes back to stock/AUTO 1.100V on resume. I

I had it set with a offset: VCORE SOC [normal] -> [-0.0750V] before I put the system in sleep and it's gone back to stock on when I got back into Windows. It should have been 1.025V with how I setup it in BIOS and was as such before I tried the sleep function again.

I haven't checked the other voltages as I haven't found a need to tinker with them, but it could be wise to go over them in your testing to see which function as they should using sleep/resume. It's a possible source of problems when settings aren't remembered/reset when using sleep.

Let me check on this in the morning.

There is also a issue with duplicate entries for settings in [AMD CBS] & [AMD OVERCLOCKING] It is regarding the Data Fabric multiplier, Manual setting.
The one in AMD CBS -> XFR sub-menu works up-to 1800[3600Mhz] without issue. But you have trouble above, it could boot 1833 but it would crash on any load when in windows. Anything above would not boot at all. tried various things but could not get it to work.
The one in AMD OVERCLOCKING When set manually functions without issue all the way to 1900[3800Mhz]. Just set it and it worked without issue.

It's a little odd the same function behaves differently depending on where you set it.

These menu's are a function of the AGESA and programmed by AMD directly. AFAIK we can only hide/unhide settings but not adjust the way they function. I will double check if there is any way we can 'clean it up'.

 

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@GBT-MatthewH

Could you check the compatibility with ram 4 x 8gb 3200mhz

I have the Corsair VENGEANCE® LPX 16GB ( https://www.corsair.com/eu/en/Categories/Products/Memory/vengeance-lpx-black/p/CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 ) 4 dimms of that so 32gb

Anything i tried over 29 multi doesnt boot in windows even with 1.35v manual , at 29x im ok but if i go a little higher 30 it doesnt boot in windows

Gigabyte x570 Pro Wifi with 16GBx2 3200 Ballistix LT sticks, the AES version that is QVL. Board doesn't always boot, cycles between CPU and DRAM according to the red boot light on the board. Tried running ram XMP and standard speed, same issue where sometimes it boots through, sometimes it doesn't. I have 2 sets of these sticks, tried 1 stick at a time in each of the 4 slots, same issue, sometimes boots, sometimes doesn't..

Make sure you are using A2/B2 slots.

 

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Will give it a try tonight.



Mhmm. I'm certain, second slot from the left, and last slot to the right. Oddly enough, when I get into the BIOS, the board says "Unknown" for the manufacturer. I've seen people's BIOS actually say the manufacturer of the RAM. I have another set of RAM coming in from Amazon to be certain it's not Newegg giving me the short stick for the two sets I ordered from them at the same time. Else it's the board.

Latest BIOS version as well, optimized defaults, etc.

EDIT: Just saw that Gigabyte is doing some freebies for reviews, sweet. What's bad is the need for Facebook to even submit it .

Sounds like the SPD info isn't being read? Not sure. Every kit I have tested was XMP and done.

 

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X570 AORUS PRO WIFI can NOT be found in Europe. I searched on-line retailers among Germany, France, Spain, but I could only find the "simple PRO" or the mITX version. Looking to Ultra does not bring any real upgrades over Pro WiFi for the extra 30 to 35 euros.

AFAIK the EU team did not pull in the pro wifi, only the pro.

Edit:
Switched RAM to the A2/B2 slot, and updated bios to f4f, and XMP works perfectly now.

This! Just as a heads up to others in the thread trying to help T/S issues, the A2/B2 is the first thing you should ask with memory. With daisy chain you have to use A2/B2 with only 2 sticks. This is a departure from our previous boards with T-toplogy.

Also an update on SOC after resume. We can reproduce it, we have a fix we are testing internally. I am not sure if we will roll it out as a small update, or just wait for the next big AGESA push, but we didn't forget.

 

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Great that your at least looking into things reported! Could probably do a larger update with more fixes though in my opinion, if you don't have other issues fixed on hand to be rolled out.

Anything on CPU_FAN & CPU_OPT running full speed after sleep/resume also? I tried it some more and you can't control them trough [APP Center]->[SIV] after a a resume, they get stuck 100% speed. You have to reboot to regain control.
It's better 100% rather than 0% HAHA!!

Which board? Do you have an AIO plugged in, if so which?

 

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@GBT-MatthewH

Have you had any other reports of coil whine on the X570 Master? Can I RMA my board for the defect? It's extremely annoying to have a high pitch in your ear all the time.

Coil whine on a motherboard? I suppose its possible but can't say I have ever heard or experienced it.

 

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@GBT-MatthewH

Can we get some more information on what the "High frequency support" option for the memory in BIOS does? I can't run 3733MHz RAM and 1:1 IF anymore, the MSI Godlike did that with ease but GB crashes at boot.

Level 1 = 1600 IF
Level 2 = 1700 IF
Level 3 = 1800 IF

If you are going for higher than 1800 IF ignore this manu and set IF manually. Also double check you are using slots A2/B2. Next try setting RAM voltage manually.

Question about PBO. It seems like by default PBO is set to automatic in the bios of my Aorus Elite. I did some testing with it set to automatic and enabled in the bios and I got the same performance and thermal results. So this tells me that when it is set on auto in the bios it is definitely kicking on under load. When I disabled it in the bios my clocks were slightly lower by about 100mhz under load but it only had a marginal impact on benchmarks. 7011 vs 7085 avg over 3 runs in cinnebench R20. The most interesting thing is that my temps were way lower with it disabled. I was hitting 92C on a OCCT small data set test with it on auto or enabled and was only hitting 78C with the same test with it disabled. It seems like this would cause lots of issues with a stock cooler and I'm not sure why the boards wouldn't ship with it disabled. It's also not really clear what the auto setting for PBO in the bios does because even with crazy high temps it seems like it keeps it on.

PBO AUTO is definitely off. Precision Boost however (not overdrive) is shipped on. This is per AMD spec.

 

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Is the F3g bios specific to the extreme? I am about to start installing windows on a Aorus Master and I'm trying to get all the drivers and what not sorted out.


Is everyone who is using Win10 using 1903?

Yes, that BIOS is specifically for Xtreme. Should have Master (F5J) tomorrow.

 

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Hey more question Matthew, how does the 6 layer pcb master do for 3950x? Asus claims their 8 layers are better to control heat than 6.
3900x seems no problem for master, how about 3950x in your internal tests?

Layers has everything to do with signal integrity and nearly nothing to do with CPU overclocking. I'll take our finned VRM heatsinks for more cores over 2 extra layers, also ours is 2x copper in the PCB. Not sure if ASUS is the same (I wouldn't be shocked either way, honestly don't know). Tl;dr 16 core CPU's aren't going to run better (or worse) on a specific amount of PCB layers.

Is the PBO borked on the Xtreme? My CPU doesn't boost above 4.125GHz with PBO set to Enabled. With PBO Auto it doesn't boost that high either, only 4275MHz at peak.

This is pretty par for the course regarding boost right now... I keep quoting wendell but "Different boards, with different BIOS, and different CPU's, behave differently". Thats a long winded way of saying your in the same boat as everyone else. That CPU may boost higher on another board, consequently another CPU may boost higher on your board. It just kind of is what it is for the moment.

You mean if you use -.1 offset, the max your chip requests is 1.5v? I noticed it as well on F3 BIOS, in F3g it worked fine.

But F3g boost doesnt work properly, while F3 it does ..

I hope new BIOS / AGESA can fix both problems so we can have both

Thus far in all our testing 1003AB is better for memory, 1002 boosted higher - On average, individual results may vary.

@GBT-MatthewH Is there going to be an update for the Ultra as well fairly soon?

Generally for these "non official interim" (IE we don't post on website) BIOS we tend to make them for 1 board (usually Master). This was kind of a special case where I had access to the Xtreme BIOS first because that's what the had setup at the lab in HQ.

We usually let people try for a day or two. If there are no issues we release it for everything. Lets the BIOS team keep working on bugs / improvements rather than code 8 BIOS all at once in case the "fix" also "breaks" something else - if that happens we wasted a lot of time coding a quick fix for nothing. Consequently anything else we were working on (or atleast the person(s) coding the fix) gets put on pause. Not a good allocation of resources.

So to answer your question if the Xtreme crowd give it the thumbs up, and the master crowd tomorrow, I should be able to get them for the rest of the boards shortly there after.

 

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@GBT-MatthewH
The all core boost in games seems similar to the Godlike though, roughly 4200MHz. Do you think the peak boost clock difference between the boards will disappear with new BIOS/AGESA releases in the future?

I'm trying to tell you it varies on the CPU, board, and AGESA. Same board, same AGESA, 2 of the same SKU CPU's, will behave differently. Also 2 of the same board, same agesa, same CPU, will behave differently. The boost is not linked to a specific board, or CPU, it varies. Interchange any of the 3 components - cpu, board, agesa, you will get a different result.