[ManniX-ITA]

did u check your watt on cpu package, i cant seem to get past 145 w no matter the settings, might be why, clocks are high but yea i only get 145w power draw so thats why my scors are same as defult.

Let me know if you find a solution...

 

[pschorr1123]

Hey guys, few questions for you.

1)Wondering if I should update to F20a from F11 (i'll just be using XMP @ 3600 and maybe enable PBO, nothing else.) I've been having random crashes that I haven't been able to sort (replacement CPU and new set of memory came in today, so i'm going to swap the CPU out.) Will hold off on replacing the memory for now as I have no idea what is causing the crash since I can't replicate it and they're so random.

2) How can I download F11 BIOS on my 2nd BIOS chip and the new BIOS on my 1st chip? That way if there are any issues, I can just go back to F11.

3) What's the best method for upgrading the BIOS (just download the file and run?) Any steps/precautions I need to take?

4) I'm currently using the Gigabyte chipset drivers, is it better to use the AMD drivers? If so, can I just download them over the current chipset drivers?

5) I have v1.1 of the motherboard, do I need to download the drivers/BIOS from the v1.1 page or are they the same as v1.0? I hadn't realized this when I first built my system and downloaded the v1.0 BIOS/drivers, so I don't think it's an issue, but want to make sure.


Sorry, I know I have TONS of questions, but i'm just trying to make sure I do everything right..

1. Best to avoid changing too many variables at once while troubleshooting because if you do "fix it" you won't know why or how

2.The Master has the 2 dip switches above debug LED. Left 1 chooses auto or manual bios select ( set to 2 for manual) Right 1 chooses which bios (1 or 2) orange LED will light up above bios chip on board to visually show you which bios you booted from. You can boot into bios and flash from there just be sure to load safe defaults and exit before flashing and go back in bios to verify safe defaults are applied then flash. This is best practice on any motherboard. If you leave a memory OC applied then RAM can crap out during flash leaving you with a very bad time

3.Half answered in 2. Other option would be to use the USB Flash back port on back of board. Make sure ERP is disabled otherwise will not turn on. Rename bios to gigabyte.bin and put on fat32 flash drive stick in white usb flash back port hold down Q-Flash (what ever GB calls it) button for 5 seconds or more while pc is off. If working right the orange LED on back by button will blink until finished. Main advantage to this method is that it can be used when board will not post to bios and can be used without CPU and RAM (note manual says you need to remove CPU THIS IS WRONG) imagine ripping down a NH D15 every time you needed to flash, lol

4. Best to use drivers directly from AMD. You should use add- remove programs to uninstall old AMD drivers 1st (irrelevant where downloaded from) then clean install desired version.

5. shouldn't make a difference just check to be sure drivers are same version numbers. Newer ones may only be posted on the 1.1 page. Also your board may need a TB (Thunder bolt) driver not found on 1.0 page but other drivers ideally you want the newest version ie Intel NIC, Audio, etc

 

[pschorr1123]

You can just enter the BIOS and go to the Q-Flash section to flash it; the key shortcut is F8, look at the bottom right corner.

As said earlier format it with FAT32 file-system.

I switched back to F12a, unusable for me F20a.
All sort of issues; clock going back up to 10 hours rebooting, memory training issues, performances going down without any reason, BIOS profile resets, boot failures with 07 code, etc...
It's a disaster, only out for the fancy XT press release, what a shame.

Now I'm trying to understand why suddenly my Windows install can't go above SMU 115W and PPT 112W.
No reason at all, wasn't doing it before. No clue... banging my head but I really have no idea.
Tried uninstalling the Chipset drivers and reinstalling, didn't help.
Not linked to the power saving profile either. Ouch

I have had issues when flashing to a newer bios then rolling back to older one then having performance/ memory stability issues. I believe this is because not every block gets over written when flashing an older bios and as a result newer broken AGESA garbage gets left behind.

I have read that to get around this you could flash a really old launch bios then flash forward to desired version. I have not tested this as I'm too lazy

I also bought 2 extra winbond SPI flash chips from digikey and plan on using my spi flash programmer (when it shows up) to flash a 1.0.0.3abba bios to it and stick that into the socked bios slot to verify 1. Programming even worked, 2. New fresh bios performs like it did in September with 6 of 8 cores hitting 4.4 at 1.5 vcore single core. As I can't replicate my benchmark results mainly because I flashed to a newer bios then went back. I feel that the SMU firmware isn't going back to version it was in original abba bios.

I will post my results if I'm successful so anyone can learn from them. But IMO flashing original launch bios then flashing forward sounds viable.

 

[ryouiki]

Now I'm trying to understand why suddenly my Windows install can't go above SMU 115W and PPT 112W.
No reason at all, wasn't doing it before. No clue... banging my head but I really have no idea.
Tried uninstalling the Chipset drivers and reinstalling, didn't help.
Not linked to the power saving profile either. Ouch

Honestly I don't know if applies the same, but at least on my ASUS X470 board trying to revert to an older BIOS would not undo some of the changes made in later BIOS revisions, and the only way to restore original functionality was to use the boards Flashback capability with an older BIOS file.

My memory is hazy but The Stilt (maybe?) said that certain firmware does not get rolled back with a standard BIOS flash.

 

[ManniX-ITA]

Honestly I don't know if applies the same, but at least on my ASUS X470 board trying to revert to an older BIOS would not undo some of the changes made in later BIOS revisions, and the only way to restore original functionality was to use the boards Flashback capability with an older BIOS file.

My memory is hazy but The Stilt (maybe?) said that certain firmware does not get rolled back with a standard BIOS flash.

Yes it can happen but it's very rare.
Usually flashing with a DMI clear is well enough.

This PPT problem is not connected to the BIOS version.
It's something in Windows messed up but I can't find what.
I have another install from USB and it doesn't have this issue.

 

[betam4x]

Just an FYI, it appears that the bios can read ntfs as well, so if you have windows you can just drop the bios file in the root of your drive and flash it from there.

EDIT: I ended up reverting to F12. Gigabyte really needs to engage with the community and focus in fixing bugs.

 

[GoforceReloaded]

I flashed 20A on my X570 Xtreme and so far, except from SVM on all the time (but I need it anyway so ...), this is the best bios for me. (I was on F12E before, not tried F12F)

All voltage are the same as before, with LLC settings and without.
All scores are the same too. (even a little better)
I got the same latency for ram.
Temp are lower (with an ambient temp of 28° ;o)
Idle voltage are lower.
My 3900X is boosting to 4650mhz without PBO. (like F12E bios)


I don't have any bug with sound with my soundblaster AE-9 or onboard audio with latest driver. (finally !!!)

ProcODT on auto is not fixed when setting ram [email protected], it keep the value at 60 ohm and pc won't even boot (F9 code), 53,3 ohm and lower are working fine. (53,3 ohm is the default XMP value for my 2 kit of 3200C14-16GTRS, 4*8GB)


I just passed a TM5 50 cycles 1usmus_v3 profile with [email protected]@1.48v (1.50v in reality) with 16-8-16-14-28-40 and ProcODT 43.6, ram reach a max temp of 45-46-46.3-44.3°C :

Everything on AUTO, except tCL, tRCDWR, tRCDRD, tRP, tRAS, tRC, ram voltage and ProcODT. (also enabled uncore soc and 1:1 fclk:ram, power down disabled, GM ON)

On bios F12E, the same settings failed, i also saw that tWRRD was 4 in previous bios and now it's 3.

Ram training, reboot and cold start are also a little faster.

I will test my fastest timing tomorrow.

Finally we have the CBS menu fully unlocked

 

[meridius]

Finally have a set of fan curves im happy with.

Idle - 31-39c
Opening a Program - Boosts to 49-51c
General Browsing - 40-50c

Took a few days to get there but here we are. Saved screenshots of these too for future reference!

mmmm you have all your fans set to cpu meaning they will all ramp up when the cpu gets hotter, I did not do that, but set my case fans to system 1 so the fans never ramp up and my case does not get that much hotter when the cpu is at full load.

 

[superleeds27]

Finally have a set of fan curves im happy with.

Idle - 31-39c
Opening a Program - Boosts to 49-51c
General Browsing - 40-50c

Took a few days to get there but here we are. Saved screenshots of these too for future reference!

mmmm you have all your fans set to cpu meaning they will all ramp up when the cpu gets hotter, I did not do that, but set my case fans to system 1 so the fans never ramp up and my case does not get that much hotter when the cpu is at full load.

Yeah I get that but they're not aggressive ramps (Until temps get over 60c, and it's rare they do!) and the idea is to bring a bit more cool air in and get the warmer air out.

Based on this image, System 1 is bottom left corner which seems a pointless place to measure as in theory, that area will never get that warm.

https://www.gigabyte.com/FileUpload/Global/KeyFeature/1194/images/smartfan5-software.jpg

 

[ManniX-ITA]

I flashed 20A on my X570 Xtreme and so far, except from SVM on all the time (but I need it anyway so ...), this is the best bios for me. (I was on F12E before, not tried F12F)

Spoiler

All voltage are the same as before, with LLC settings and without.
All scores are the same too. (even a little better)
I got the same latency for ram.
Temp are lower (with an ambient temp of 28° ;o)
Idle voltage are lower.
My 3900X is boosting to 4650mhz without PBO. (like F12E bios)


I don't have any bug with sound with my soundblaster AE-9 or onboard audio with latest driver. (finally !!!)

ProcODT on auto is not fixed when setting ram [email protected], it keep the value at 60 ohm and pc won't even boot (F9 code), 53,3 ohm and lower are working fine. (53,3 ohm is the default XMP value for my 2 kit of 3200C14-16GTRS, 4*8GB)


I just passed a TM5 50 cycles 1usmus_v3 profile with [email protected]@1.48v (1.50v in reality) with 16-8-16-14-28-40 and ProcODT 43.6, ram reach a max temp of 45-46-46.3-44.3°C :

Everything on AUTO, except tCL, tRCDWR, tRCDRD, tRP, tRAS, tRC, ram voltage and ProcODT. (also enabled uncore soc and 1:1 fclk:ram, power down disabled, GM ON)

On bios F12E, the same settings failed, i also saw that tWRRD was 4 in previous bios and now it's 3.

Ram training, reboot and cold start are also a little faster.

I will test my fastest timing tomorrow.

Finally we have the CBS menu fully unlocked

Good luck, maybe for the Extreme they did it right.
I had found more or less working settings yesterday evening.
But point blank this morning after a reboot started acting again like crazy.
I'm back to F12a and so far no issues.
Except the PPT limitation of course...

 

[Morph3R]

Guys, what's wrong with my X570 Master? Getting 75% Power Accuracy. BIOS F12g. All defaults (sort of)...

 

[meridius]

Yeah I get that but they're not aggressive ramps (Until temps get over 60c, and it's rare they do!) and the idea is to bring a bit more cool air in and get the warmer air out.

Based on this image, System 1 is bottom left corner which seems a pointless place to measure as in theory, that area will never get that warm.

https://www.gigabyte.com/FileUpload/Global/KeyFeature/1194/images/smartfan5-software.jpg

ment system 2 sorry as the chipset is there

 

[briank]

I could use some help understanding Gigabyte Vcore control.

Since I received a second 3950X, I had just been running it stock and dabbled with PBO. I could tell that this new one was running at much lower Vcore voltages than the chip I had from January just at the default settings. The new chip also was a better performer than the January chip in CineBench R20 and Geek Bench at the default settings or PBO.

I decided today to see what it could do with a manual overclock.

Previously I had used Vcore set to Normal and used DVID offset to get the desired core voltage (by looking at relative change in HWinfo SVI2 TFN Vcore measurements). I have some interesting observations there, but that's not the point of this post.

I tried setting a manual value. To my surprise the manual value doesn't seem to have any effect on the core voltage.
I set manual Vcore to 1.225V. In HWinfo, VID is showing 1.033V and SVI2 TFN Vcore is showing 1.051V.
I upped manual Vcvore to 1.3225V. In HWinfo, VID is showing 1.035V and SVI2 TFN Vcore is showing 1.047V.
These are averaged values while running Real Bench Stress test. (They're also very low. With Auto voltages and PBO enabled I was seeing 1.26-1.28V)

What is going on?!? A full 100mV increase in the BIOS setting and no change in the HWinfo reported values?

I installed BIOS 20A btw. Also LLC is set to Low. Not sure if that has anything to do with it?

 

[RandomError]

Found an odd but 100% reproducible bug with my x570 Aorus Elite Wifi running BIOS version F20a. Easy to work around, but had me worried when my PC wouldn't boot this morning. Anyone know if there's an official channel I can report this through?

Steps to reproduce:

1. Under boot options, set "Full screen logo show" to "Disabled". Save & Exit, restart etc.
2. Turn off the PC.
3. Turn off any monitors attached to the PC.
4. Turn on the PC.

Expected outcome:

• PC boots to Windows.

Actual outcome:

• PC does not boot.

Workaround:

• Keep "Full screen logo show" set to "Enabled".

 

[Nicked_Wicked]

F20a is the gift that keeps on giving, I wonder how long it’ll take for GB to fix this considering they haven’t even fixed the almost a year old bugs.

Although it might just be ComboPiV2 1.0.0.2 that’s acting up, AMD coded some terribly buggy AGESA’s recently.

 

[SacraficeMyGoat]

Hey guys, so I just got done installing my replacement CPU (still 3700x.) I also installed a Corsair H150i Pro XT rgb along with iCue software. Also updated to F12g BIOS from F11.

1) Do I need to download chipset drivers or any other drivers since it's still a 3700x?

2) Every time I open HWinfo64 now, my PC freezes and I have to hold the power button down and reset it. Anyone know what's going on?

 

[ryouiki]

Guys, what's wrong with my X570 Master? Getting 75% Power Accuracy. BIOS F12g. All defaults (sort of)...

Are you undervolting? This will cause a big discrepancy in this value... it is only accurate at 100% stock.

 

[ManniX-ITA]

Hey guys, so I just got done installing my replacement CPU (still 3700x.) I also installed a Corsair H150i Pro XT rgb along with iCue software. Also updated to F12g BIOS from F11.

1) Do I need to download chipset drivers or any other drivers since it's still a 3700x?

2) Every time I open HWinfo64 now, my PC freezes and I have to hold the power button down and reset it. Anyone know what's going on?

No need for different drivers.
It's weird that HWInfo behavior.
Did you try to go back to F11?

 

[Morph3R]

Are you undervolting? This will cause a big discrepancy in this value... it is only accurate at 100% stock.

Correct, having my Dynamic VCORE set to -0.07500V

This gives me better CB20 score.

Is undervolting something not recommended in AMD ecosystem?

Am I hurting my CPU this way?

 

[Illined]

Hey guys, so I just got done installing my replacement CPU (still 3700x.) I also installed a Corsair H150i Pro XT rgb along with iCue software. Also updated to F12g BIOS from F11.

1) Do I need to download chipset drivers or any other drivers since it's still a 3700x?

2) Every time I open HWinfo64 now, my PC freezes and I have to hold the power button down and reset it. Anyone know what's going on?

Welcome to the f** club on number 2. I have the hard freeze issue as well while starting several programs (and A LOT while loading HWinfo). It's been doing it a lot less lately, but it still does it from time to time. I'm now struggling with constant idle crashes (12 overnight!) and made a new thread in the AMD General section.


So far I have not found any solution to work. Seeing as you have the same issue, I'm really tempted to order myself a new board from a different brand. It is defnitely nearing chucking the whole thing out of the window and buying some Intel hardware.