[Heuchler]

On the fence about switching from my X58 to an X570 and if I do it'll be the Extreme

I found X58 painful to use over the last year. Might be X512 worth [X570 - X58] for very similar HEDT platforms like design ideas behind it.
45nm quad-core to 32nm hex-core, octo-core 14nm to 16-core 7nm, Plenty of PCIe lanes. AM4 has been a fun experience other than the original launch.

Fedora 30 (Spin XFCE instead of Gnome) + Ubuntu 18.04LTS with kernel 5.0 backport from 19.10 (for use with Wine , DXVK/D9VK) on XFCE desktop environment
& Windows 7 Pro SP1 on my R7 2700X system with Windows 7 chipset drivers
Bit of history

Spoiler

I started using Ubuntu around version 5 (Knoppix was a popular live distro at the time) and started looking for alternatives around 12 or so (when Amazon integration was introduced with Unity interface). At the time Linux Mint gained many users because of this. With the announcement of Ubuntu dropping 32-bit support Linux Mint Debian edition (LMDE) might have a resurgence.


I used Manjaro for a short time in a VM but then the install was borked beyond repair so probably not going to deal with that again. Additionally most commercial software comes in rpm (Fedora/CentOS/RHEL) or deb (Debian/Ubuntu/Linux Mint) packages. The Fedora flatpaks streamline updates quite a bit, while Ubuntu simply has greater support in general for consumer applications as much as people hate it (through snap since 16.04 or ppas). For example Navi (RX 5700XT) is getting official AMD drivers on Ubuntu LTS.

There's been a push to use .AppImage which essentially is standalone for all Linux distros.

I was going to get Ryzen 3rd gen but R9 3900X and R7 3700X sold out right after I finished reading reviews.

Windows doesn't show the true capability of Ryzen: there's large amounts of potential still yet to be discovered by reviewers that are using Windows 10. For example my R7 1700X @ 3.9 scores higher Geekbench 4 single thread than a R7 2700X with PBO in Windows or i5-8600.


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Ultimately I think the most elegant solution is to cool the chipset from the back of the board , although most cases don't have a cutout there so likely a thermal pad with a full metal plate or simply a thermal pad to the case might be an option (assuming newer BIOS scale RPM based on temperature). The problem with HR-05 / HR-55 is that it may interfere with larger GPU coolers.

Makes me wonder what if I did switched from Windows back then. GPU Passthrough on Ryzen hopefully will allow me to put Windows into a box. The launch day reviews made me not sure on which processor to pickup. By the time more details came to light they where sold out. 7nm yield seems good so just a matter of time.

 

[OCmember]

I only have master, I don't see the option off hand. Is this something you need? If so why? The PCIe speed is auto negotiated depending on what you plug in.

I read somewhere it could possibly be an option on the X570 platform, not just the Extreme. I thought that might be a good idea to help keep the heat down, and for reduced power. I know my X58 system will increase my room temps by 3*f while gaming.

 

[pschorr1123]

@ GBT MatthewH I know that you are extremely busy but could you find out what the safe max 24/7 SOC voltage is for the new 3000 series chips? My board defaults the SOC to 1.20 which seems high to me compared to the first 2 generations.

Thanks

btw can't wait to play with the quite bios, lol

 

[OCmember]

Can someone report the X570 temps on the Extreme for me?

Thanks

 

[GBT-MatthewH]

@ GBT MatthewH I know that you are extremely busy but could you find out what the safe max 24/7 SOC voltage is for the new 3000 series chips? My board defaults the SOC to 1.20 which seems high to me compared to the first 2 generations.

Our OC team says 1.3 max.

 

[Aenra]

The holes are not standard. I requested mechanical drawings for the PCH fans and VRM section, incase you guys wanna get super crazy and make a custom VRM block or something lol.

Oh man thank you SO much for this, honestly appreciated!
(and highly anticipated, lol.. got CnCing to do as it seems, need get me prepped)
Thanks again for taking the time to ask, really!

As to AlphaC's comment, both HR-05 and HR-55 can be rotated on their horizontal axis without affecting their cooling capacity; they also happen to have a skewed/asymmetrical design, which -combined with the rotational.. 'aspect'- allows for a lot of wiggle room.
I'd know as i've used one, wouldn't i

 

[pschorr1123]

Our OC team says 1.3 max.

Thanks, good to know.

1 more question. I noticed the boot times on this board is very long vs my old x370. With a Samsung 970 evo nvme boot drive I went from 13 seconds (x370 board) to 30-45 seconds. 45 is now because I plugged in an 8 TB USB drive to restore files. I hear the drive spin up when the AORUS logo shows up on the screen and I see the led on my thumb drive light up. If I remove the 8 TB storage drive it goes back to 30ish seconds. I also have 2 3TB drives and 1 5TB drive installed via sata

Is this because the firmware is scanning all of my drives for bios files?

I also turned off CSM in bios to see if that helped but I didn't see any difference.

It's not the end of the world and I will try the fast boot feature whenever I get my bios / settings sorted out down the road and do not have to go into the bios on a regular basis as with fast boot turned on its very hard to hit del fast enough to get in.

 

[pschorr1123]

@gbt MatthewH

can you find out what the max PBO manual settings are safe for 65watt parts for PPT, TDC,EDC .

for the 2700 X I was able to find that you can set PPT ans TDC to 1000 (unrestricted) and EDC from 141 to 168 amps for max performance.

l ask because manual PBO oc will yield way better results than all core OC for my use case like on the 2700X as AMD eeks out just about all performance out of the box

sorry to be such as a pest but Googling isn't yielding much info

 

[pschorr1123]

Just want to add that by just you being here speaks volumes and builds brand loyalty. I was considering Asus this time around for the extra support provided in their forums but they dropped the ball on the vrms on the CHVIII unless buildzoid was wrong and there are doubles on the back of the board. However, down their product stack the trend seems to be charge a higher premium for a lower quality vrm.

My thinking is if they cheaped out on the VRM then where else did they cut corners.

I chose this board as the VRMS are totally overkill along with other features. The dual BIOS, Bios Flashback, and the switch to manually control which BIOS to boot from and disable the default "bios control scheme" plus having the Main bios socket-ed sealed the deal and you being here to provide support and get user feed back is a huge bonus.

I strongly hope going forward you will keep the "bios flashing insurance" the same and definitely keep the ability to disable the auto bios control scheme per Buildzoids praise of this board

 

[shadowxaero]

@GBT-MatthewH

So I have been having a lot of boost issues and I FINALLY got to the bottom of them. For my it related to memory clocks (I was able to replicate the issue multiple times once I figured it out. Not sure if this is a bios issue or issue with my particular 3900x.

Anyway, whenever I run my RAM at anything higher than 3566 my CPU will NOT boost NOR downclock. It will instead get stuck at 4.275Ghz. I have tested complete stock, with PBO and with Auto-Overclock. All works normally unless I run the RAM at speeds over 3566.

Do you have any knowledge of memory speeds effecting boost clocks? I am also on bios F5e and this happens with and without Ryzen Master installed.

I have also noticed when boost IS working correctly my CPU will boost higher with standard PBO. If I do PBO with the 200Mhz offset it will boost to lower clocks. CPU is cooled with a custom loop and temps are fine so not sure if it is related to temps.

Lastly, does your chip boost to 4.6Ghz at stock or with PBO? The only way I have gotten mine to boost to 4.6Ghz (a little over 4.6 actually) is with a 103 bclk.

 

[pschorr1123]

@GBT-MatthewH

So I have been having a lot of boost issues and I FINALLY got to the bottom of them. For my it related to memory clocks (I was able to replicate the issue multiple times once I figured it out. Not sure if this is a bios issue or issue with my particular 3900x.

Anyway, whenever I run my RAM at anything higher than 3566 my CPU will NOT boost NOR downclock. It will instead get stuck at 4.275Ghz. I have tested complete stock, with PBO and with Auto-Overclock. All works normally unless I run the RAM at speeds over 3566.

Do you have any knowledge of memory speeds effecting boost clocks? I am also on bios F5e and this happens with and without Ryzen Master installed.

I have also noticed when boost IS working correctly my CPU will boost higher with standard PBO. If I do PBO with the 200Mhz offset it will boost to lower clocks. CPU is cooled with a custom loop and temps are fine so not sure if it is related to temps.

Lastly, does your chip boost to 4.6Ghz at stock or with PBO? The only way I have gotten mine to boost to 4.6Ghz (a little over 4.6 actually) is with a 103 bclk.

After reading your post I decided to try lowering my RAM to 3566 or 3533 but my PBO still will not go beyond 4.3

Also I have noticed if I touch anything related to PBO in the bios it will perform worse. ie CB15 single drops from 200 to 191-193 while the multi also takes a huge hit as well.

Probably an AGESA teething issue but the more people report back the better chance of the problems becoming resolved

 

[OCmember]

@GBT-MatthewH It seems the PPT is one of the limiting factors to achieving the advertised PBO speeds from AMD. Correct me if I'm wrong somewhere about this, but can that setting be tweaked without breaking any type of guidelines from AMD? Andrei Frumusanu & Gavin Bonshor note in their review on Anandtech,

The constraints are as follows:

Package Power Tracking (PPT): The power threshold that is allowed to be delivered to the socket.
This is 88W for 65W TDP processors, and 142W for 105W TDP processors.

Thermal Design Current (TDC): The maximum amount of current delivered by the motherboard’s voltage regulators when under thermally constrained scenarios (high temperatures)
This is 60A for 65W TDP processors, and 95A for 105W TDP processors.

Electrical Design Current (EDC): This is the maximum amount of current at any instantaneous short period of time that can be delivered by the motherboard’s voltage regulators.
This is 90A for 65W TDP processors, and 140A for 105W TDP processors.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-3900x-review-raising-the-bar/19

 

[shadowxaero]

After reading your post I decided to try lowering my RAM to 3566 or 3533 but my PBO still will not go beyond 4.3

Also I have noticed if I touch anything related to PBO in the bios it will perform worse. ie CB15 single drops from 200 to 191-193 while the multi also takes a huge hit as well.

Probably an AGESA teething issue but the more people report back the better chance of the problems becoming resolved

For science, can you set bios to stock and see if your CPU boost correctly? If it does can you try setting RAM to say 3200 and trying it again? I am wondering if RAM indeed does effect boost and whether or not different chips are effected at different clocks.

If I enable PBO my multi core score goes up in CB15 but I take a hit in single core.

Stock - Multi Core: 3286 Single Core: 211
PBO - Multi Core: 3329 Single Core: 209

These fall within margin of error but the scores were pretty consistent across multiple runs.

 

[BeeDeeEff]

I only have master, I don't see the option off hand. Is this something you need? If so why? The PCIe speed is auto negotiated depending on what you plug in.

Manually forcing older PCIe Generations is helpful when your priority is booting/using a maximum number of pcie devices where the amount of bandwidth to the device is less important than the ability to have them all controlled and recognized by the same host. I'm coming over from intel land for the first time, well ever actually, and this option was standard even on B250 low-end years old mobos as well as up to current z390.

 

[intender]

I am probably a unique use case since I am running a 2700x in my x570 Master, but I am also having issues with boost clocks. It will boost to 4.35 in light use single core loads, but with any heavy single core load like cinebench its only going to 4.2ghz. When doing multicore loads no core will go over 4ghz.

In the bios under CBS options I have no options there for any settings other than the same basic settings I would normally see with a non X cpu. When I launch ryzen master it tells me that PPT has 141W with a limit of 500W. TDC has 95W with a limit of 540A. EDC has 140A with a limit of 600 (changed ctdp in bios). However Precision boos is unavailable in ryzen master (it says future feature) so I am limited to the lower limits. This is the same thing I see with a 2600 in another system in ryzen master. When running cinebench it will hit the 140a limit on EDC limit and drop down to 4ghz on all core load. Same chip on my x470 gaming 7 would hit 4.2ghz or more on all core load with an unlocked EDC. My single core cb15 scores have dropped from 172 to 159, and multi core has dropped from 1820 to 1635.

 

[pschorr1123]

For science, can you set bios to stock and see if your CPU boost correctly? If it does can you try setting RAM to say 3200 and trying it again? I am wondering if RAM indeed does effect boost and whether or not different chips are effected at different clocks.

If I enable PBO my multi core score goes up in CB15 but I take a hit in single core.

Stock - Multi Core: 3286 Single Core: 211
PBO - Multi Core: 3329 Single Core: 209

These fall within margin of error but the scores were pretty consistent across multiple runs.

I will double check for you and report back

 

[pschorr1123]

For science, can you set bios to stock and see if your CPU boost correctly? If it does can you try setting RAM to say 3200 and trying it again? I am wondering if RAM indeed does effect boost and whether or not different chips are effected at different clocks.

If I enable PBO my multi core score goes up in CB15 but I take a hit in single core.

Stock - Multi Core: 3286 Single Core: 211
PBO - Multi Core: 3329 Single Core: 209

These fall within margin of error but the scores were pretty consistent across multiple runs.

Loaded safe defaults same results 4.3 max clock also doesn't downclock properly. Other users show screen shots that show 2200 minimium while mine will not go lower than 3300. Tried both Windows Balanced and Ryzen Balanced

multi 2022 single 196

GN reported some chips are having issues boosting regardless of AGESA version so maybe I just got a dud or there are other issues that need to be resolved with a later AGESA from AMD

edit: I have noticed that if I go under AMD Overclocking choose PBO and set to advanced then set the PBO to motherboard the multi score goes up about 100 but the single drops down to 191. My best single is 200 with everything @ auto with xmp 3600 cl 16

btw, has anyone ever found out the max high temp on this CPU? AMD's site doesn't mention it

 

[Buris]

For science, can you set bios to stock and see if your CPU boost correctly? If it does can you try setting RAM to say 3200 and trying it again? I am wondering if RAM indeed does effect boost and whether or not different chips are effected at different clocks.

If I enable PBO my multi core score goes up in CB15 but I take a hit in single core.

Stock - Multi Core: 3286 Single Core: 211
PBO - Multi Core: 3329 Single Core: 209

These fall within margin of error but the scores were pretty consistent across multiple runs.

Whatever default settings were, I had better luck with them than anything else-

My SC was 545 on CPU-Z, and 8300 with Multi-core, after messing around with the BIOS and Ryzen Master, I'm now at 520 and 7900, consistently. Very unsure what to do, but even more distressing is that fact that when I set things back to default, the scores don't change back...... I was able to test this when loading defaults on the BIOS and using another fresh install of windows, the score went back up- as soon as I changed any setting, it's like the OS knows and drops the score permanently.

I'm also have problems seeing any boost over 4275. I definitely have plenty to learn about when it comes to ryzen master and Ryzen 3000 Overclocking/PBO

Also, is there an ETA on the new BIOS that's supposed to fix that chipset fan? I now have a noctua 80mm blowing directly over the chipset, temps are around 40c and I can still hear the chipset fan, I'm sure with the fan off mode I'd be pretty happy.

 

[pschorr1123]

I hear ya! being able to shut that fan off will be a god send!

 

[rjeftw]

Just placed an order for an Aorus Master, will have it along with a 3900X by the weekend. Currently have the Z390 Aorus Master and its been an amazing board.